bluthswede6

I tried this in both chat and email and was shot down in both. Guess it just depends on who you get.

iNCREDiPiNOY

I got a price adjusted from Amazon.

Bambi - $24.99
Alice in Wonderland - $9.99
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Item(s) Subtotal: $34.98
Shipping & Handling: $3.97
Gold Box Discount: -$1.25
Super Saver Discount: -$3.97
Promotion Applied: -$9.99
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Total Before Tax: $23.74
Estimated Tax To Be Collected: $0.00
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Grand Total: $23.74

Manzana

What's weirder is that the part stores scan on the coupons is the same UPC code for everyone. They don't scan the unique ID numbers. So it seems like there's a big door for fraud if people copy coupons. I don't see how a color printer (which I don't own) would prevent fraud any better. Given that the coupon issuer has your IP address (which may or may not change) linked to the unique IDs on the 2 coupons you can print, IF the manufacturer gets the physical coupon back from the store they could match up your computer's ID and your IP address on anyone who made multiple copies of the same coupon, and theoretically they could track you down. I think they intend each person to use up to 2, so I'd never dare use more than that. I used to give out my 2nd coupon to people I saw at the store looking at the same thing, but when I realized the other person could copy and use it multiple times and possibly get me into trouble, I now shred any coupons I don't use.

I'm sure one of these days this is going to end if stores lose enough money because of duplicate coupons. As it is, only a handful of large retailers take them. With computer technology I sure wish they'd get an instant verify system where each coupon ID could be used once, and if you return the item the manufacturer would get the money back (rather than you or the store) or preferably reissue you the same coupon. That would solve all of these problems.

kenbenobi

I agree that someone could easily get busted for coupon fraud, and I surely won't do that. But I'm curious WHO would pursue you. Disney will reject any fraudulent coupons, so technically it's no money lost for them. Would they go after offenders? Dunno. However, stores such as Target or Best Buy certainly would want to, since they lost money. But they wouldn't have access to IP addresses like Disney would. But if you used a credit card, or Reward Zone card, they could easily find you.
Regardless, coupon fraud is illegal, immoral, and just plain stupid. For those who printed 10 coupons legitimately, well, your intentions may be immoral but at least it isn't illegal. My point is, don't copy. It could end up very badly for the offender, and could ruin these coupons in the future for the rest of us.

ctyankee

My (limited) guess is that (at this point) BB, Target and the rest will tell their clerks that anyone accepting multiple 'Veri-Fi' codes that are the same will lose their jobs pretty darn soon. That should stop a lot of the problems. Now, someone distributing coupons to many different friends, isn't going to get caught. Certainly, it's a bigger problem for the merchant. Although, it does raise an interesting question. If multiple merchants (say BB, Wal-Mart and Target) all return the exact same coupon to Disney for payment ... how is that handled? Do they honor all the coupons, honor only the first received or do they give each $3.33?

Regardless, hopefully it still gets down to doing the right thing for most of us. Disney has 'gone back to the well' so many times on Alice (and other titles) that it is good to see that they are offering coupons to ease the pain of repurchasing their titles yet again- although what the new Alice (2010) has to do with giving us a break on the 1951 title is not as clear.

Manzana

I agree. I love these coupons and wish those involved would figure out a system to prevent coupon abuse and make it so that retailers can feel confident they'll get paid so they'll be less likely to reject the coupons (as BB has done to me frequently in the past).

If they have this Veri-Fi system (which I assume is just a web based interface), why don't any retailers ever use it before taking the coupons? (I'll guess because most retailers seem deathly afraid to give their employees Internet access because they don't trust them not to surf the Internet and do other bad things.) Of course if they did, you have to wonder if it's a real time system that will immediately tell the retailer that the same coupon (with the same ID) was used at another retailer. Either way I figure something has to change in this system, but in the meantime I appreciate Disney doing this and hope it'll last for a while. Disney releases (especially of animated classics) with coupons are one of the few things I buy on release day. Without the coupons I'd find myself waiting months or years for the appropriate Amazon deal.

asianxcore

Will this coupon work today, or does it only work from 2/1-2/7?

As mentioned earlier, my local BB has them out early and I wanted to pick up a copy.

That'sAllFolks

Many moons ago, Disney had coupons for Pirates, Cars, Ratouille, etc. (my first BR purchases). I remember getting a coupon off the internet that I tried to use and was shot down at Toys R Us. This was before I understood how this worked and that each coupon had a unique code, etc. But somehow TRU checked the coupon's validity and they rejected it for multiple use. In the time since, I have never had TRU do anything but scan the coupon, so I don't know if at that time TRU used the Veri-Fi system or not.

jjcool

Just printed off my two copies. Got two individual numbers in the upper right.

Robertwoj

Anybody know how the Veri-Fi system actually works? When does a coupon get marked in that database as redeemed - when Disney gets it and updates the database, or when the merchant scans it with the Veri-Fi interface? Since most retailers don't scan the Veri-Fi portion at the time of sale (I, personally, have NEVER seen that portion of any of my coupons get scanned), how long does it take to determine if the coupon is indeed valid? Sounds like a nightmare from the merchant perspective.

Here is a good description of what Veri-Fi is:
http://www.internetretailer.com/2003...system-for-con

The description mentions entering a number, but it doesn't say whether that number is marked as redeemed or not(?).

Robertwoj

You can enter the unique coupon code at http://www.couponsinc.com/crc/index.asp (Veri-Fi) to confirm if a coupon is legitimate. It appears to me that the purpose of the Veri-Fi system is to ensure the product, value and expiration date of the coupon, thus limiting fraud in the area of changing any of the above. This "fraud" does not appear to be for multiple use of the coupon with the same Veri-Fi unique code.

Of course, I will defer to anyone who has better knowledge of how that system works. Click the "Consumer Resources" tab and read up on what is there (About Printable coupons, Dos and Don'ts and What if a store won't take my coupon [Best Buy, anyone?].

izatright

The veri-fi system is supposed to be able to track use, but obviously if there's no log or scan there's no proof it's been used. It's all moot, however, since it's illegal, immoral and against the code of gentlemen to do such a thing.

sumdeus

Thanks OP! Printed me a copy and will be off to BB or BJ's (depending on the BJ's price).

movieguru

What kind of fraud can really go on with these coupons/ Most people will only want 1, or 2 copies at most if they're buying one as a gift. Most people nowadays have internet access and a printer and could get legit coupons if they wanted to; so there's no need to photocopy them multiple times. I can't image the coupons could sell for much on ebay or be worth the time to list them. Maybe if someone wants to buy a larger quantity of the blu's to sell on the internet.. but even then when you factor in the fees you wouldn't make that much money if any.

Hiro0015

FYI, Toys R Us has their $5 preorder, save $5 on a Disney Blu $19.99+. Both Bambi and Tangled (DVD/Blu or Blu/3DBlu/DVD/Digi) are available. We will find out tomorrow if the price for Alice instore is the outrageous $29.99 the website has listed or not.

AmityBoatTours

the type of fraud where people go in and buy several copies of the movie and then turn around and return it a day or two latter to recieve the cash value of the coupon.
since stores refund the full amount when you return it.
Ive gotten into arguments with a few people on various forums who do that and claim that there is nothing wrong with them doing that.

AmityBoatTours

the water mark is there when you print up off a b&W printer they are just harder to see but they are there. The printer at work is B&W and I have never had any issue using my coupon i print at work even though its b&W

Travis McClain

Well, my wife called to let me know she took the coupon to Walmart, got them to price-match Best Buy's $19.99 and then successfully applied the coupon. These are the sales that explain why Disney is so disproportionately well represented in our Blu-ray library. Last night, we streamed last year's Alice in Wonderland (some of which I enjoyed, some of which I didn't) and that put me in the mood to rewatch the '51 version. Now I can watch it on Blu-ray!

Edit: I just checked, and it was nominated for Music (Scoring of a Musical Picture), meaning that it counts for the Academy Awards Challenge. Perfect!

mattyp4

FYI, my Best Buy took the coupon this morning no problem. I noticed it didn't scan, but without me having to say anything she entered it in manually. Piece of cake. I do love Disney Blu-rays! Hoping for a similar deal for the Incredibles!

Manzana

My Walmarts do NOT refund the full amount when you return an item with a manufacturer's coupon. In fact, mine won't even refund you what you paid out of pocket unless you threaten them. I just posted what happened when I recently tried to do this (on something I had bought as a gift and didn't plan to return but was then told I had bought the wrong sequel).

It's posted here: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10617874-post918.html

AlexOi

Have anybody found out how much TRU is selling the Alice in Wonderland & Beverly Hills Chihuahua 2?

vmars

I'm about to head there to find out.

bellevuecoug

Any word on the TRU price? Anyone? Bueller?

ctyankee

Let's see you did a unique coupon code check yet your takeaway is that the purpose primarily is to ensure the coupon's value and expiration date? Heck the scan code does that and there is no chance anyone is taking a coupon without the coupon being in their database. My guess is that the purpose of the Veri-Fi system (largely unrealized) is to make coupons unique thus limiting their reuse. I'm further guessing that getting the big guys to agree to tying into a central clearing database is the issue. ANY delay the customer experiences at check-out would negate any advantage of the system.

If I understand correctly, this is a one time, one printout coupon so no, they usually can't get multiple coupons printed out. You may be right about this not being a big scam area, but if so, why are they going to this length to limit copies?

vmars

The person I talked to there said $39.99, my jaw dropped and I said never mind and walked out of the store. Then went to best buy to get it for $11.