George R.R. Martin again -- what are the criticisms of these novels?
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Originally Posted by Jadow
My biggest complaint with Martin's novels is that there isn't a recap of what's previously happened at the beginning of each book. Sorry, but I've got a lot going on in my life, and I read these books like 3+ years apart, I can't remember much of what happened previously. I had a heck of a time with the last one because of that.
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Originally Posted by Jadow
My biggest complaint with Martin's novels is that there isn't a recap of what's previously happened at the beginning of each book. Sorry, but I've got a lot going on in my life, and I read these books like 3+ years apart, I can't remember much of what happened previously. I had a heck of a time with the last one because of that.
I do find the character lists, for all the different families and groups, at the back of the book very helpful.
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I normally re-read the whole series when a new book comes out. This is especially necessary for Martin because he has so many characters and story arcs going.
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Haven't seen this posted yet, so I'll drop some news; apparently HBO has purchased the rights to this series and will be looking to possibly begin production this summer. Also, in the announcement, GRRM states that their will be 7 books and finishing up around 2011. I think this could be cool as hell! GRRM Link
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Okay, apparently my 'big news' is posted all over; Yes, I'm a moron. I blame the tequila.
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Sweet! Thanks for pointing out the HBO stuff.
I gave up on this series but now it seems GRR has a reason to actually finish it, and I'm glad. I'll be reading it when he does.
I hope HBO does a good job, they usually get a nice budget but rarely follow a series to it's fruition.
I gave up on this series but now it seems GRR has a reason to actually finish it, and I'm glad. I'll be reading it when he does.
I hope HBO does a good job, they usually get a nice budget but rarely follow a series to it's fruition.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I gave up on this series but now it seems GRR has a reason to actually finish it
I don't think the miniseries gives him a reason to finish it. He had plenty already. MAYBE it puts him on a tighter deadline, though ... also good.
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Originally Posted by Jadow
My biggest complaint with Martin's novels is that there isn't a recap of what's previously happened at the beginning of each book. Sorry, but I've got a lot going on in my life, and I read these books like 3+ years apart, I can't remember much of what happened previously. I had a heck of a time with the last one because of that.
To paraphrase what he said, he doesn't do recaps because he seeds his books with lots of forshadowing events that fly under the radar so to speak. A minor plot point in one book, could have serious repricussions in the next book or even 2-3 books down the line. If he were to do recaps, he would either have to leave out these previously mentioned forshadowing events, making the recaps next to useless, or he would have to include everything he hints at, ruining the surprise. He said it was a lose-lose situation so he doesn't do it.
Hope that answers your question, and for a better answer, check out Martin's podcasts themselves. They're pretty good.
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To paraphrase what he said, he doesn't do recaps because he seeds his books with lots of forshadowing events that fly under the radar so to speak. A minor plot point in one book, could have serious repricussions in the next book or even 2-3 books down the line. If he were to do recaps, he would either have to leave out these previously mentioned forshadowing events, making the recaps next to useless, or he would have to include everything he hints at, ruining the surprise. He said it was a lose-lose situation so he doesn't do it.
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The time period between books is exactly why I stopped reading. Other novelists like Gene Wolfe won't print books in a series until they're all finished.
I already read 3 or 4 of these GRR books and got tired of waiting for the next one (after reading like 20 or 30 books inbetween), so I just decided to wait for George to finish the whole series and restart from the beginning when he's done.
I already read 3 or 4 of these GRR books and got tired of waiting for the next one (after reading like 20 or 30 books inbetween), so I just decided to wait for George to finish the whole series and restart from the beginning when he's done.
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Originally Posted by SiberianLlama
Hope that answers your question, and for a better answer, check out Martin's podcasts themselves. They're pretty good.
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Any word on Dances with Dragons? I know he said 2006, and that is past. I need my Westeros fix.
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Ok so how many books are out now - someone recommended this series to me, what is the list, what's out, what's planned?
No plots need be recounted - let's just talk the books out/not out/timelines etc.
No plots need be recounted - let's just talk the books out/not out/timelines etc.
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4 of the 7 planned titles are out, and it sounds like 7 will be it. I first heard of this series when book 3 (A Storm of Swords) came out, and as I recall, back then, people didn't even know how many books will be in the entire series..... some said 5, some said more, but now it appears 7 will be it. On the author's own site, he lists the novels as:
1) A Game of Thrones (1996)
2) A Clash of Kings (1999)
3) A Storm of Swords (2000)
4) A Feast for Crows (2005)
5) A Dance with Dragons (to be completed)
6) The Winds of Winter
7) A Dream of Spring
Optimistically, even if he finishes book 5 this year, and does the other 2 at 2 years apart, we're looking at 2011 for the last book. I've read the first one and a half books, and the story is GREAT. I'll definitely read the others in the future, but they're long. I definitely don't want to be re-reading every book just before the new one comes out, because there are a lot of details to forget.
So, even though I have the first 3 books (bought them all when I started), I've stopped in the middle of A Clash of Kings for a few years now simply because I'm going to wait until book 7 comes out to go through the rest.
1) A Game of Thrones (1996)
2) A Clash of Kings (1999)
3) A Storm of Swords (2000)
4) A Feast for Crows (2005)
5) A Dance with Dragons (to be completed)
6) The Winds of Winter
7) A Dream of Spring
Optimistically, even if he finishes book 5 this year, and does the other 2 at 2 years apart, we're looking at 2011 for the last book. I've read the first one and a half books, and the story is GREAT. I'll definitely read the others in the future, but they're long. I definitely don't want to be re-reading every book just before the new one comes out, because there are a lot of details to forget.
So, even though I have the first 3 books (bought them all when I started), I've stopped in the middle of A Clash of Kings for a few years now simply because I'm going to wait until book 7 comes out to go through the rest.
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Sigh - books "not out" is not as easy to find on Amazon - and yes, if we ALL did "google searches" we'd barely need this forum. This IS Book Talk after all.
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Originally Posted by Cusm
Any word on Dances with Dragons? I know he said 2006, and that is past. I need my Westeros fix.
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Well, I'm hoping the HBO deal will spur the pace along. I'm already thinking of the champagne I will drink when I can officially say I've finished both Robert Jordan and GRRM series. Oh, what a happy day that will be...