Twin Peaks: The Definitive Gold Box Edition (The Complete Series)
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Without proper context, the significance of these events may seem unclear or even meaningless. More importantly, the movie assumes that the viewer is aware of certain plot turns (such as the identity of Laura's killer) and freely divulges information that should not be revealed until late in the series. As such, the movie is not appropriate for viewers hoping to pick up the Twin Peaks story from the chronological beginning. On the other hand, since it is a prequel the movie also does not resolve any of the cliffhangers left open at the end of the series. In fact, the movie poses more questions than it answers, a fact that upset many who were expecting closure.
My own assessment is that Lynch should have left well enough alone. It was poor judgment to tease fans of the series. Additionally, it wasn't that interesting a film. Now, I'm a big Lynch fan but even for me, some of his films are duds. But he has also given us great films. I think in his heart of hearts he thinks he can pound something out on his typewriter and believes that it will be a sweet success when the actors see it the next day. That and I would bet my house he has A.D.D. or the equivalent. But, what artist doesn't have some issues?
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Isn't there a rumor going around that CW might be optioning this property? Would make sense considering its in the CBS/Paramount family and CW only seems to be able to produce hits that are remakes of something better...
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Meanwhile, for anyone thinks that Lynch can stay on task, I would suggest watching the filming extras that came with the Inland Empire DVD. It should be quite eye-opening.
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I can't hate anything he does. Michael Chion's book about Lynch helped me appreciate Fire Walk more.
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So, the audience that went to see Fire Walk With Me is far from mainstream. So if the mainstream didn't see it, the non-mainstream didn't like it and the critics didn't either ... the only group that liked it is the outlying outliers. Which is fine. But to answer your question, I expect directors to not disappoint the bulk of their audience. Is that unreasonable?
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The little angel on my shoulder tells me to leave Twin Peaks well enough alone.
But the little devil on my other shoulder tells me that there's a "twenty years later" storyline built into Twin Peaks already, that they could probably get quite a few of the actors back in addition to some new ones, and that someone could take the concept and just go nuts with it.
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Here is a another defense of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me. It briefly mentions Lynch's interest in Transcendental Meditation and attempts to relate it to the film.
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Some Muppet Oddness. Twin Beaks.
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I got it recently at a Half Price Books for $5.96 (one of the surplus titles they actually get new stock of), so try there if you're looking for one.
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The little angel on my shoulder tells me to leave Twin Peaks well enough alone.
But the little devil on my other shoulder tells me that there's a "twenty years later" storyline built into Twin Peaks already, that they could probably get quite a few of the actors back in addition to some new ones, and that someone could take the concept and just go nuts with it.
But the little devil on my other shoulder tells me that there's a "twenty years later" storyline built into Twin Peaks already, that they could probably get quite a few of the actors back in addition to some new ones, and that someone could take the concept and just go nuts with it.
Spoiler:
The conclusion to that storyline is what I would have preferred to what we actually got with Fire Walk With Me, which I thought was mediocre at best. If that means I'm not a "true fan" or I "don't understand the series at all"... then so be it.
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You're forgetting Blue Velvet, which was nominated for two Golden Globes, and one Oscar. Clearly that had a mainstream audience, and it was a screenplay written by Lynch. So would argue that Blue Velvet was the film that pushed Lynch into the mainstream.
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I'll stop far short of saying that I don't like FWWM, because I absolutely love it, but I do wish it contained more of the quirky humor the series was known for. Lynch made the film dark, perhaps even too dark, and by doing so he removed it from the world he created on television by a noticeable degree. My hope is that one day he completes the deleted footage to his satisfaction and assembles a longer cut of the film. IMO, you can never have too much Twin Peaks.
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I have to say that I'm amazed the amount of times I've seen "Blue Velvet" in various Literature, film, psychology and sociology classes.
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However, what he's stated that he wants to do is fashion the deleted scenes from FWWM into a series of short films set in the universe of Twin Peaks.
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Lynch has had the right of final cut on all of his movies since Blue Velvet, and has been very clear that he won't extend Fire Walk With Me. The theatrical cut is his director's cut.
However, what he's stated that he wants to do is fashion the deleted scenes from FWWM into a series of short films set in the universe of Twin Peaks.
However, what he's stated that he wants to do is fashion the deleted scenes from FWWM into a series of short films set in the universe of Twin Peaks.
Oh, and how I would kill to have seen the original 4 hour cut of Blue Velvet.
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For years after it was released, he had talked about gathering all of the cut material and reinserting it back into the film. Then he seemed to change his mind and said he didn't want to put it back in. He waffles all the time on what he wants to do.
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I'll stop far short of saying that I don't like FWWM, because I absolutely love it, but I do wish it contained more of the quirky humor the series was known for. Lynch made the film dark, perhaps even too dark, and by doing so he removed it from the world he created on television by a noticeable degree. My hope is that one day he completes the deleted footage to his satisfaction and assembles a longer cut of the film. IMO, you can never have too much Twin Peaks.
My wife and I scouted out all of the Twin Peaks locations when we lived up around that area of WA. My only regret was we didn't hop the private fences to track down the train car used in FWWM. I guess when you get older, breaking and trespassing just isn't as cool when your lugging your kids around. Tweeds Cafe does have a damn fine cup of coffee (and pie), though!
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My wife and I scouted out all of the Twin Peaks locations when we lived up around that area of WA. My only regret was we didn't hop the private fences to track down the train car used in FWWM. I guess when you get older, breaking and trespassing just isn't as cool when your lugging your kids around. Tweeds Cafe does have a damn fine cup of coffee (and pie), though!
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I did the same thing. I didn't find the actual train car (as I think it had been moved), but I did find the general area of the scene. I even found a stack of firewood off to the side of the tracks and snatched myself a suitable log. And one day my log will have something to say about this.
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Chris Rodley:
"In part, adverse press and audience reaction to the movie was to do with the fact that much of the humor of the TV series - the coffee, the doughnuts, etc. - had been dropped. All the niceties, and some of the characters, were gone. All that was left was this desperate..."
David Lynch:
"Torment. Yes, that's true. But again I had a limit on the running time of the picture. We shot many scenes that - for a regular feature - were too tangential to keep the main story progressing properly. We thought it might be good sometime to do a longer version with these others things in, because a lot of the characters that are missing in the finished movie had been filmed. They're part of the picture, they're just not necessary for the main story."
At the end of the chapter on Twin Peaks, Lynch laments, "I feel bad that Fire Walk with Me did no business and that a lot of people hate the film. I really like the film. But it had a lot of baggage with it. It's as free and as experimental as it could be within the dictates it had to follow."
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Whether he had final cut on FWWM is up for debate. Bob Engels said that "the folks in charge wouldn't let them get away with a movie that long" & in 'The Complete Lynch,' Michael Horse said Lynch apologized to him for cutting all of his scenes because he was forced to cut two hours.
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"Final Cut" doesn't necessarily equal "Director's Cut"; there's always contractual stipulations (usually having to due with length, budget, and rating) that the director must follow, or final cut rights will be surrendered.
For example, Lynch did have final cut for Blue Velvet, but he was contractually obligated to turn in a movie that ran under 2 hours (the final film supposedly runs exactly one frame under that limit) and be rated R. Lynch's rough cut ran 4 hours; while the actual finished film with no time restrictions probably wouldn't have been that long, it certainly would have been longer than "one frame under my time restriction".
For example, Lynch did have final cut for Blue Velvet, but he was contractually obligated to turn in a movie that ran under 2 hours (the final film supposedly runs exactly one frame under that limit) and be rated R. Lynch's rough cut ran 4 hours; while the actual finished film with no time restrictions probably wouldn't have been that long, it certainly would have been longer than "one frame under my time restriction".
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I did the same thing. I didn't find the actual train car (as I think it had been moved), but I did find the general area of the scene. I even found a stack of firewood off to the side of the tracks and snatched myself a suitable log. And one day my log will have something to say about this.