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Old 06-30-07, 03:10 AM
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Colorized Vhs/Dvd

Hello I hope this is the right spot of this post. I'm looking for 3 colorized Vhs/ Dvds For The Movies ,The Roaring Twenties,The Public Enemy,Little Caesar. I know in 1989 MGM put out a bunch of colorized Vhs But i can find these titles.
Does anybody know where to find these or if there even out there.(Also i do have these on dvd in black/white but i'd like to have a color copy also).


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I'd maybe ask this question in the DVDtalk forum. I can't help you out but It's more likely that your question can be answered there because more people go to that part of the forums.
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anybody know?
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Most of us don't like seeing black and white movies colorized any more than we like foreign-language films that are dubbed or widescreen movies in pan-and-scan. I suspect that's why you aren't getting much help.
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I wanna see Eraserhead colorized.
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Colorized films on DVD -- NOT a general discussion on film colorization

MOD NOTE: This thread is just meant to discuss films that have been colorized and put on to DVD, not as a general topic on whether films should be colorized.


If you disagree w/ colorizing films that's fine, but this is not the thread to talk about it. It is meant as a information thread for those people who are interested in such things. Please leave the other comments out of the discussion.

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I'm starting this thread as an update to what's new in colorized films. Not all of them come from Legend Films.

The Criterion Collection is planning the release of the French B&W adventure classic Fanfan la Tulipe (Christian-Jaque, 1952) in November (see: http://www.criterion.com/asp/release.asp?id=451 ).



It's a rare Criterion film starring French legend Gérard Philipe and Gina Lollobrigida. They have also shared top billing in René Clair's Belles de Nuit / Beauties of the Night (1952), still unavailable on DVD. Although the film has been colorized for European distribution and is a "natural' for the process, Criterion has only condescended to supply "a clip from the colorized version of the film" as an extra. This fits in with Criterion's policy to shield sensitive North-American eyeballs from the vulgarity of the process while not completely denying that it exists - and thrives - elsewhere in the world.



The film is sold in an optional color version in two 2004 Region 2 PAL editions, one in France and one in England:http://www.amazon.fr/Fanfan-tulipe-G...pr_product_top and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fanfan-Tulip.../dp/B0001XLVMM





Excerpt from a consumer's appreciation of the French edition:

Je viens de visionner la version colorisée de Fanfan la Tulipe. C'est une réussite. Les couleurs accentuent l'effet d'images d'Epinal, avec les costumes militaires, les tenues de cour de Louis XV.

I just saw the colorized version of Fanfan la Tulipe. It's a success. The colours accentuate the period hand-painted illustration aspect, with its military uniforms and the Louis XV court costumes.
Even DVD Savant's R2 collaborator Lee Broughton liked the British edition - whose sound appears to be superior to the French edition:

I'm guessing that this film is viewed as a national treasure in France because it has certainly been well looked after. The picture quality is excellent with virtually no print damage present. The black and white photography looks great and the picture is sharp. For those who require it, a colourised version of the film is also included here: I had a quick skip through this and it actually looks like quite a decent job has been done. The sound, which features the film's original French soundtrack supported by removable English subtitles, is excellent too.
From: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s1258fan.html

Excerpts:

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<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uJeiQhUEyyo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uJeiQhUEyyo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gizZgvJ33iQ&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gizZgvJ33iQ&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/KZEiLrFuKRM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/KZEiLrFuKRM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

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Good move on Criterion's part.
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We believe in colorizing stuff here in the states too, we call them coloring books. They start out black and white and children can add any colors they want to them.
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It seems that the Criterion edition is presented in a pillarboxed non-anamorphic 1.33:1 ratio whereas the film's color excepts on YouTube seem to be in 1.85:1 ratio. There is a mystery here...

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Maybe the PAL editions decided to bastardize the film even more by giving it a false aspect ratio? You know. To go along with it's false (colorized) presentation.

If you're gonna shit on a film, might as well shit all over it in every regard.
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Originally Posted by The Valeyard
Maybe the PAL editions decided to bastardize the film even more by giving it a false aspect ratio? You know. To go along with it's false (colorized) presentation.

If you're gonna shit on a film, might as well shit all over it in every regard.
That's what I thought at first but the two PAL editions are also in 1.33:1 and I also found this clip :

Mod note: If the link has been filtered it means it's a site we've had problems w/ Please DO NOT post work arounds to such sites.

P.S.: It's still a perpetual source of merriment to me how anti-colorization extremists insist on letting on that the perpetrators of this crime against nature do it because they hate the films they colorize ("bastardize", "false presentation", "shit on a film", etc.). It's a bit like hearing Sarah Palin on "liberals".

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Baracine is the best gimmick on this forum. Colorization fanatic, slams color timing changes on films (hypocritical, isn't it?), then brings in topical political commentary.

Then becomes the "victim" after getting banned from Home Theater Forum for personally insulting other posters.

I don't have a problem with colorization existing, but it's still a useless process other than to please idiots who can't stand B&W. Besides, there's no such thing as a black and white movie. All movies are in color, just some have a wider spectrum than others.

Sorry, I'm going to call out on someone dumb enough to "not know" why Criterion wouldn't include a colorized version on a release.

(Also, in before Alfred Bergman posts a crappy color job on a classic star)

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Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
Baracine is the best gimmick on this forum. Colorization fanatic, slams color timing changes on films (hypocritical, isn't it?), then brings in topical political commentary.
I do what I can.
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Originally Posted by baracine
P.S.: It's still a perpetual source of merriment to me how anti-colorization extremists insist on letting on that the perpetrators of this crime against nature do it because they hate the films they colorize ("bastardize", "false presentation", "shit on a film", etc.). It's a bit like hearing Sarah Palin on "liberals".
Maybe we just want to see the films as they were originally photographed, not repainted by some anonymous studio technician who had nothing to do with the making of the films.

It's a perpetual source of merriment to me how terrified some people are of watching a black & white movie.
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Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
(Also, in before Alfred Bergman posts a crappy color job on a classic star)
I'm guessing by the middle of Page 2.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
It's a perpetual source of merriment to me how terrified some people are of watching a black & white movie.
I've already seen Fanfan la Tulipe in B&W and the memory of it will last a lifetime. I want to see it in colour now - preferably without the PAL speedup.

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Originally Posted by baracine
I've already seen Fanfan la Tulipe in B&W and the memory of it will last a lifetime. I want to see it in colour now.
So stick with the Region 2 DVD.

Or just drop some acid beforehand.
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Originally Posted by Randy Miller III
So stick with the Region 2 DVD.
You missed: "preferably without the PAL speed-up." I don't see the logic of limiting the "spread" of colorized films as if they were a foreign (european) disease that can be stopped at the border or a dangerous invasive biological entity like kudzu. Perhaps with the help of an exorcist/witch hunter preacher?

Or just drop some acid beforehand.
May I quote you on this?

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Oh, so seeing it colorized is good, but not with a faster frame speed?
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Originally Posted by PatrickMcCart
Oh, so seeing it colorized is good, but not with a faster frame speed?
You betcha!


French films of this type already feature extremely fast dialogue, speeded up fight scenes and a lot of beautiful music (in this case by Maurice Thiriet and Georges Van Parys) that it is very unpleasant to hear a whole half-tone higher than intended.

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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Maybe we just want to see the films as they were originally photographed, not repainted by some anonymous studio technician who had nothing to do with the making of the films.

It's a perpetual source of merriment to me how terrified some people are of watching a black & white movie.
So do you have a problem with it when the creator of the work is involved in the colorization process and states he is thrilled with the results? Ray Harryhausen did just that with a few of his b/w films. I picked up "20 Millions Miles to Earth" and have watched both versions. I prefer the b/w version when I want to take the film more seriously based on the period and time it was created. However, the color version was still fun to watch.

I'm definitely not terrified of watching a b/w movie. Especially, since I've probably seen more b/w movies in the past year then color. However, I'm not critical of others enjoying them nor do I have a problem watching one on occasion, if I feel it doesn't change the overall mood of the film for me.

For example, I just recently watched "Double Indemnity" and "Sorry, Wrong Number". These films are best left b/w.
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Guys, just to reiterate: I created this thread as a locale to post information about new developments in the field of colorization on DVD, not as (yet another) place to debate endlessly the pros and cons of this technique. That has been done to death and there are even websites dedicated to the arguments of both sides. I think it's time to move on.

Having said this, bsmith is obviously the voice of reason while everybody else is just looking to voice their personal attacks on the OP's intelligence (or lack thereof) and other grudges.

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http://www.orsonwelles.co.uk/colorization.htm

A Black and White Issue?
Colorization, preservation and the digital future
by Richard Price



Colorization. Colourisation. It is easy to say that whichever way you spell it there is nothing good about the process. The term is a generic one for the technique that involves transferring black and white film to an electronic form and then computer colouring the picture by selectively filling in the parts of the image with colour pixels. The finished result is then sold for home viewing either on television, or on video or DVD. Colorized black and white films are not transferred back to 35mm for theatrical projection. Many visitors to this site are likely to have strong views against colorization, but this article will attempt as balanced a view as is reasonably possible and will touch on related, but much larger, conservation versus restoration issues. The whole colorization debate has a slightly 1980s feel to it, though there has been a recent resurgence of interest in the process, by its promoters if not the public.

Colouring monochrome films is nothing new: it is nearly as old as Cinema, with the earliest hand coloured films dating from at least 1896. Before then, photographic lantern slides were often coloured in by hand, achieving a certain realism for Victorian audiences. A development of hand colouring was the Pathecolor stencil process, a semi-mechanised form of the same thing, used from 1905 to the early sound period. If, for instance a film was to coloured with three colours, the technique would have involved taking three identical films and cutting out minute portions of the image on each frame. For example, if a brown cow on a green field with a blue sky was the image to be coloured the operator would, on a device like an editing machine, view a black and white frame of a positive print back projected onto a ground glass screen. He (or normally she: cheap female labour seems to have been the rule) traced the image on screen with a pointer.



The movements of the pointer were then reproduced in much smaller scale by a pantograph (left) connected to the pointer. At the other end of the pantograph was a vibrating needle that cut out a very small section of the film. This was done for each frame of film as the operator advanced the film frame by frame. Using our example above, the operator would trace and cut out every image of the cow on a given sequence of film. This film would then be the stencil for brown. This process would be repeated for green and blue, resulting in three stencils in all. The first stencil and the monochrome positive print would then together be run passed a pad impregnated with brown dye. The process would then be repeated on the part coloured film with the green and blue stencils until there was a copy of the film coloured brown, green and blue: the projection print.

As would be expected, this would be a long and costly process where five or six colours were being used in each frame (the release prints of the feature Cyrano de Bergerac (1923) (right) took a couple of years to colour) though a considerable number of prints could be made from one set of stencils. We might see colorization as an update of this process: black and white films being made more commercial by having them in colour rather than genuinely achieving a greater realism, even if the latter is the stated aim.



Certainly the techniques are similar in that areas of individual frames are coloured artificially, though colorization does not suffer from the colours misaligning with the image: stencils often could not be cut with accuracy, the stencil and the film being coloured sometimes did not line up in the printing process, and the dyes might run.

Colorization, despite improvements over the years, does not in the view of most achieve success in the way of tonal range or subtly, despite claims to do otherwise, the colour tending to be solid "blocks" of colour, the backgrounds being particularly unsuccessful and the choice of colours often arbitrary. The finished result has been likened to a moving lobby card, though this is one of the kinder comments.

Colorization is not a recent process. Universal toyed with a Japanese system in the early sixties and experimentally coloured sections of Psycho. It is perhaps a paradigm, both as to artistry and authenticity, for the whole colorization debate. This was a film deliberately designed in black and white allegedly because it was believed that red blood going down the plughole in the shower sequence would not get past the censor. One assumes that in the colorization test the blood was coloured red, not, as one might facetiously argue would have been more accurate, brown because apocryphally chocolate sauce was used since it photographed better in black and white. [Left; that's another fine mess you've gotten me into...]



Neither Hitchcock nor Universal was impressed with the results and the idea was shelved for a few years. Some stock footage and Betty Boop cartoons were colorized in the 1970s, and Universal again became interested in the early 1980s, by which time there were two rival processes in existence, Colorization Inc and American Film Technologies Inc's system Colorimaged. Both these systems had their experimental roots going back several years. The writer remembers the interest shown in the early 1980s when on British television the BBC aired sequences of a worn Chaplin print that had been colorized. Interestingly, and ominously, no attempt seemed to have been made to source a decent copy to colorize.

Colorization became popular when a certain level of competence had been achieved and when Hal Roach Studios Inc (by then having no connection with the great man himself) acquired a substantial holding the company that soon was to become Colorization Inc. Roach's film Topper was the first colorized film to be released in the United States on home video in 1985, followed by Way Out West, The Outlaw and It's a Wonderful Life. The novelty value led some who had been associated with these films to write favourably, even warmly, about the results, with Cary Grant, Stan Laurel's daughter Lois, and, initially, Frank Capra giving their endorsement.

A greater commercial impetus came with the decision in June 1987 of the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress to allow colorization to extend the copyright life of a film, though only in the colour, not the black and white, form. And of course television stations could now run the same old films colorized if not at prime time then at least no longer relegated to the late late show. [Right: Colour film from stencil]



We have to ask whether colorization, as it was in the 1980s or is now, does any harm. Is the criticism justified or is it just armchair snobbery from the highbrows? What is wrong with watching and enjoying the It's a Wonderful Life colorized? It has long been a Christmas favourite, especially on American television, and many who watch it no doubt do so without considering that artificial colour detracts from the black and white film, let alone considering it to be a "moral" issue, as do others who consider themselves purists.

More importantly, no damage is ever done to original material. It has even been argued that the process has gone some way to assist with the preservation of film by raising the public awareness of old films. The more you treat colorization as a moral issue the more arguments and counter-arguments present themselves. Does, for instance, the fact that Stan Laurel in later life regretted that the Laurel and Hardy feature Babes in Toyland had been made in black and white justify its colorization?

From the mid eighties when colorized films began to be shown on American television, opinion of audiences was generally against them, favouring original black and white. Then the veteran filmmakers started to come out against the process: Frank Capra changed his mind about It's A Wonderful Life and Billy Wilder asked whether colorization was intended to make classics better - and if so how - "or do they", he asked, "hope to palm off some of the old stinkers by dipping them in 31 flavors?" But for a while they found an outlet on home video.

In 1986 Turner Entertainment announced plans colorize a number of black and white features in its newly acquired MGM library. Ted Turner famously relished the controversy and was a great promoter of the process. Several MGM, Warner and RKO films were colorized in the late eighties, including The Maltese Falcon (left) and Casablanca (below). Despite starting work on a colour version of Citizen Kane a clause from Orson Welles's contract with RKO was invoked to prevent its completion and release. One can only guess what this would have done to Gregg Toland's chiaroscuro photography and one hopes they would have drawn the line at colorizing the News on the March sequences.




As the process improved, attempts were made to make the colours more authentic - an interesting concept in this context - by trawling through studio records to find out what were the original specifications of the decor and costumes, forgetting that while in life the sets and props no doubt had colour to them, the whole film was designed, lit and photographed with a black and white end result in mind.
If the James Whale Frankenstein films were colorized would Boris Karloff's face be green as was his make up in order to photograph as white as possible? In any event films made in black and white in the thirties and forties do not look like Technicolor films of the same period printed in black and white: the subject, style, the average length of shot and therefore pacing are different, the result of contemporary commercial and technical considerations and not least because of the heavily prescriptive influence that Technicolor itself had on the use of the process.

In 1988 Congress established the National Film Registry, which was to a list of important American films, 25 each year, to be labelled with a disclaimer as to "authenticity" if sold in an altered form. The almost universal opinion was that this was toothless bureaucracy at work that had nothing to do with film preservation and an expense to the US taxpayer that would have been better directed to film preservation. The first list of 25 submitted in 1990 contained Dr Strangelove - a partly British made film.

Similar calls came from a forum of directors in the United Kingdom who suggested that there should be a category of inviolable classics that should never be colorized. Not much thought seems to be given to how this would work, perhaps too little was given to this exercise too: along with Hamlet and The Third Man, Rebecca as cited as one such classic. Rebecca (left), despite its British cast and director, is of course an American film. Colorization has always been less of an issue in the UK. Very little material has, to the writer's knowledge, ever been shown on British television. Only a few American television programmes have been shown, such as a Judy Garland special and episodes of the Steve McQueen western series Wanted: Dead or Alive, the latter looking like Cinecolor seen in a nightmare. Whether one objects as strongly, more strongly, or not at all to colorized black and white television programmes is a matter of opinion, but the arguments either way are surely the same as for film.



Colorized films, viewed on television, videotape or DVD with the colour turned down do not look the same as the original monochrome picture. The shading and contrast are not the same. Since the image is degraded, albeit only in the colorized form, it is not possible to argue that colorization is archivally sound. It may happen that in the process of colorization, genuine conservation or restoration of original sound and picture elements has occurred before the process of colorization is started; at least claims have been made to that effect.

[Right: the Legendary Lon Chaney in The Phantom of The Opera (Handschiegl colour)]



Turner Entertainment has otherwise shown an enlightened attitude, naturally a commercial one, to both preservation of films in their original state and, just as important, access to those films, and it was certainly for commercial reasons that it quietly dropped the colorization programme as the demand for colorized films started to dry up in the early nineties.

The debate is not over. The series The First World War in Colour was recently shown on British television - on Channel 5 - exploiting the idea of showing actuality footage in colour of subjects otherwise only ever seen in black and white, as in the series The Second World War in Colour, Britain at War in Colour and The British Empire in Colour. Each of these showed astonishing original colour footage. The First World War in Colour used cheaply colorized, battered prints and the result looked as bad as any colorization done in the 1980s. In some ways colorizing documentary footage seems even less justified than fictional subjects.

The weakness of the series was underlined by the producers resorting to the to-camera reminiscences of game old boys aged 105 who (for example) remembered sharing tins of bully beef in the trenches in 1917 and by hiring Kenneth Branagh to do the narration. (Interestingly a small number of military subjects were shot at about the same time in the three colour Gaumont Chronochrome process, though none of combat. Some of these were shown in a rival Channel 4 documentary series made at about the same time.)



Claims have made for recent improvements in the process with comparisons being made to the colour saturation and tonal range of three strip Technicolor or later colour processes. In the writer's view the achievements fall short of these standards. Colombia TriStar recently released on DVD some colorized Three Stooges shorts (left) and all the old issues resurfaced. The discs have both black and white and colour versions of the films to satisfy both preferences and the same claims for authenticity as to original colours of props have been made as in the 1980s.
Columbia TriStar made the not very interesting point that colorization makes old films more attractive to modern audiences, but also the much more interesting (though debatable) point that the process is no more vandalism than the conversion of an analogue soundtrack to 5.1 digital audio. Even George Lucas weighed in, asserting that the Three Stooges in colour took them out as their natural 1940s black and white context, though of course with their final Shemp replacement they made a number of colour films in the sixties, and George Lucas himself has not been uninvolved in the re-releasing of digitally enhanced films. The discussions can go on and on, though they always seem to focus on the rights of film makers rather than on film preservation.

As long as the technology and demand for colorized films exist it is not realistic to prevent their availability for those who want them. If there is to be a place for colorized films, it must be on video or DVD, available for sale or for rent, and clearly labelled as such. A colorized film should not be allowed to become the received version of a black and white film, not even if they are "the old stinkers dipped in 31 flavors". So like cropped pictures and panning and scanning, colorization has no place on broadcast television.

The technology itself of course has its uses. No criticism can reasonably be made of using similar techniques to colour grade films before their release, notably in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or in much current television post-production. One day there may be admirers of colorization in the same way that people today (the writer among them) find much to like about artificially coloured films and old so-called natural colour processes like two strip Technicolor which were so often denigrated at the time, or at least when the novelty had worn off. There may even be a website devoted to colorized films. But if that time ever comes the same people will no doubt be exercising themselves about some other threat to film, or by then digital, heritage.

A well-known archival use of colorization, perhaps the only valid use, was in the Photoplay restoration of the bal masque sequence in the Lon Chaney version of Phantom of the Opera, where only part of the footage survived in Technicolor with the remainder in black and white. Using the surviving material as a template colorization restored colour to the monochrome footage. In another sequence the deep red of Lon Chaney's flowing cape was restored where the original (right) had been coloured frame by frame on black and white stock using the Handschiegl process, a process not unlike stencil colouring.



As to preservation of whole films, there have already been major digital, as opposed to optical, picture and sound restorations of films, the results being transferred back to film. Studios such as Disney and Universal have produced exemplary digital restorations in the last ten years, the costs being recouped by theatrical re-release or home sale. A very recent digital restoration is of Gone With the Wind (below left) by Warner Brothers, digital techniques being used to get back to the original imbibition-printed nitrate look. In 2004 the film was shown digitally at the National Film Theatre. National film archives, perhaps out of conservatism, have been slower to move away from traditional techniques, though this may change, especially as digital techniques can clean images and repair damaged sections of film in a way that conventional techniques cannot.

Such areas are fertile grounds for debate where currently there is no consensus, and in some ways they make all the old colorization arguments seem trivial. Digital restoration and even projection may become the norm, even though they could be said to be antithetical to the very idea of film, particularly projection, where the medium on which sound and image are carried and the process of exhibition has nothing to do with film in its usual meaning. Nevertheless, against this, digital projection promises greater distribution, and therefore greater appreciation, of classic films.



Perhaps the debate about digital enhancement should be widened to include undetectably manipulated images of actors of different generations being paired in the same film or more sinister, and only just round the corner, the Orwellian possibility of creating convincing fake documentary images. Imagine, for example, footage which appears to record a secret wartime rendezvous: Hitler and Churchill greeting each other warmly at Hitler's Berchtesgaden hideaway, perhaps with Goering patting Churchill on the back, Himmler looking on and Churchill glancing furtively to camera; the colour and everything else about the images being seamlessly manufactured to look like one of Eva Braun's Agfacolor home movies.

All arguments return to the nature and degree of any change made to original sound and image. Perhaps we should say that all restoration must bring us nearer to the original film (the look, the sound, and the whole experience of watching it) but not beyond it. But there could be special cases where we should add intention to the above list: there would, for instance, seem to be justification for using digital techniques to cure the bedevilled soundtrack of Chimes at Midnight, where, but for economic and technical hardships, the dialogue would all have been properly recorded and synchronised.

But from Orson Welles and Orwell let us return to our subject and leave the last word to Hal Roach, every inch a producer but one who gave considerable artistic freedom to his contractees. In 1992 at the age of 99 he travelled to Britain to publicise the UK release of the colorized Way Out West (right). Roach's studio of course had produced the film and the re-release was then being marketed by Hal Roach Studios in the Colorization Inc process.



Holding court at the Park Lane Hilton (unforgettably telling people "I always stay here…. my girlfriend back home is Louise Hilton. Her old man did these places out you know. I feel a kinda loyalty" and handing out pocketfuls of propelling pencils embossed "Compliments of Hal Roach - 100th Birthday") he was asked what he thought about the repackaged classic. His diplomatic response was as characteristic and it was wise. His words were those who of a businessman who may have eschewed pretensions to art but certainly understood his craft: "The picture looks good. It looks professional. Apparently people like color these days. I know one thing: the movie cannot be any funnier in color."

No funnier. No better. We ought to conclude that all audiences, casual viewers as well as the many hues of film enthusiast should strive for and learn to appreciate films in their original form.


©Richard Price 2004

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Originally Posted by baracine
You betcha!


French films of this type already feature extremely fast dialogue, speeded up fight scenes and a lot of beautiful music (in this case by Maurice Thiriet and Georges Van Parys) that it is very unpleasant to hear a whole half-tone higher than intended.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to get away from how the film was originally intended to be heard.

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So much for...

not as (yet another) place to debate endlessly the pros and cons of this technique. That has been done to death and there are even websites dedicated to the arguments of both sides. I think it's time to move on.
And now for something a little more advanced... If you copy the following address in your browser's address bar by removing the spaces, you will access a 22-minute video essay by contemporary French music group M.R.S. (Musique Rythmique et Sportive). It's in French but even non-French speakers will get the message. It is a manifesto for the rights of the viewer of works of art.

Its basic principle is that as we each individually look at or listen to a work of art, independently of matters of preservation of the original and of copyright, we each reinterpret the work of art for ourselves, according to our own singularities. This manifesto, referencing Pepe le Moko and Fanfan la Tulipe, two rebels par excellence, states the sacred principle that artists as well as art consumers should be allowed to make this personal reinterpretation public. Why? Basically, because modern technology allows us to do so if we so desire. And colorization of films is, of course, part of this process.

http: //www. daily motion.com/video/x6fx0c_mrs-pepe-le-moko-vs-fanfan-la-tulip_creation

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