"The Dark Knight" Blu-ray (Dec. 9th)
12-02-08, 11:28 AM
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Josh, that is the best written article explaining widescreen and black bars that I've ever seen. Kudos to you!
And since I set up my budget CIH setup in my home theater, courtesy of my Mitsu HC4900 projector and some paper taped to the sides of my screen (it's just temporary, I swear!), I thought I was done with compromises in regards to letterboxing. Then this damn Dark Knight Imax thing comes up to cramp my style!
12-02-08, 12:27 PM
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Josh, that is the best written article explaining widescreen and black bars that I've ever seen. Kudos to you!
And since I set up my budget CIH setup in my home theater, courtesy of my Mitsu HC4900 projector and some paper taped to the sides of my screen (it's just temporary, I swear!), I thought I was done with compromises in regards to letterboxing. Then this damn Dark Knight Imax thing comes up to cramp my style!
And since I set up my budget CIH setup in my home theater, courtesy of my Mitsu HC4900 projector and some paper taped to the sides of my screen (it's just temporary, I swear!), I thought I was done with compromises in regards to letterboxing. Then this damn Dark Knight Imax thing comes up to cramp my style!
Transformers 2 will have the same dual aspect ratios as well.
12-02-08, 12:38 PM
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I just wish that they would give us the option via seamless branching to NOT utilize the full IMAX picture. I mean, since they will be cropping it in theaters for non-IMAX presentations, couldn't they give us both options? But then, I guess this is really only an issue for people with Constant Image Height home theaters and 2.35:1 screens...
I'm still not sure how I'll usually end up watching The Dark Knight, but I'm guessing I will fill my screen and let the IMAX scenes spill over the edges.
12-02-08, 12:56 PM
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on a widescreen tv/monitor, the image will go fullscreen, the non-IMAX scenes (2.35) will have the slight black bars appear near the top and bottom
why are movies still widescreen on widescreen HDTVs?
12-02-08, 12:56 PM
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Josh, that is the best written article explaining widescreen and black bars that I've ever seen. Kudos to you!
And since I set up my budget CIH setup in my home theater, courtesy of my Mitsu HC4900 projector and some paper taped to the sides of my screen (it's just temporary, I swear!), I thought I was done with compromises in regards to letterboxing. Then this damn Dark Knight Imax thing comes up to cramp my style!
And since I set up my budget CIH setup in my home theater, courtesy of my Mitsu HC4900 projector and some paper taped to the sides of my screen (it's just temporary, I swear!), I thought I was done with compromises in regards to letterboxing. Then this damn Dark Knight Imax thing comes up to cramp my style!
Reminds me of the issue where Kubirck argued with the BBC about cutting the aspect ratio of 2001 for broadcast. According to Rob Ager's analysis, it was essential to keep the aspect ratio for 2001...
http://www.collativelearning.com/200...sis%20new.html
Sorry, Ill stay on topic now. So, about Dark Knight....
12-02-08, 12:59 PM
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to have shot the entire movie in IMAX would have been prohibitively expensive. I wonder what the cost would have been if Warner had filmed the entire movie in standard 65mm and not on IMAX stock. I'm terrible at percentages, it was like around less than ten scenes (which includes some very brief establishing long shots) that were shot as such, right?... as memory recollects.
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12-02-08, 12:59 PM
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Actually, it's only an issue for people with CIH set-ups who don't understand that when they see letterbox bars on the 'Scope portions of this disc, their picture is set-up correctly and that all they have to do is set their systems to 1.78:1 and they are golden.
12-02-08, 01:07 PM
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I think way too much is being made over this. I've watched the disc twice now, and various scenes on my iPhone, which switches ratios too, and it's not a big deal. If you're engaged in the movie's storyline, it's barely noticeable. If all you're doing is watching for the ratio change, then it looks like the movie is not for you and the storyline didn't work for you. It's really that simple. Just watch it and not worry about what everyone is saying about it being good/not good and make up your own mind. I think the IMAX scenes are fantastic on the home theater.
12-02-08, 01:30 PM
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IMAX Scenes are as follows:
-The entire opening bank robbery and quick night time cityscape shot that followed the sequence
-The city shot closing in on the Wayne Enterprises building
-The seaplane landing close to Bruce's sailboat
-The helicopter flyover of Hong Kong, including Lucius Fox's walk across the helipad and into the L.S.I. Holdings lobby where he surrenders his cellphone
-The establishing shot of Bruce standing atop a building in his new Batsuit, where he fires sticky bomb charges on the L.S.I. windows. He then jumps and glides to the building. (This is intercut with 2.35:1 shots of Lau in his office)
-The explosion of the sticky bombs behind Batman and Lau, leading to the seaplane's flyover and skyhook extraction of the two.
-The short close-up of Wayne's penthouse apartment for the party sequence
-The shot closing in on Batman as he stands on the Sears Tower (if cropped without adjustments, Batman's head would be missing in the 2.35:1 version)
-The very short overhead shot looking down on the Police funeral parade.
-The entire sequence involving Harvey Dent ("the Batman") being escorted by SWAT team convoy to central holding, when Joker lures them underground to destroy the convoy and eventually the Tumbler. This is the longest IMAX sequence in the film and covers everything including the Batpod's reveal and blasting through the subway to the Joker truck flip-over, ending after Joker is captured by Gordon.
-Short cuts of Batman racing on the Batpod to find Rachel after the Joker interrogation.
-The shot of Joker hanging out of the police car like a dog, as well as the aftermath of the building explosion where Rachel was being kept, including Alfred's reading of her letter to Bruce. It lasts up until Bruce is resting in a chair with parts of his Batsuit on the floor.
-The Lamborghini racing down streets to find Gordon and Reese, intercut with 2.35:1 shots of the police barricades and hospital interiors.
-The infamous Joker walking out of the hospital explosion, intercut with 2.35:1 scenes of reporter Mike Engel being pulled into a school bus and screaming patients inside the bus.
-The overhead shot of the explosion aftermath.
-A short shot of Gotham being evacuated.
-Various shots of the SWAT team taking over the Prewitt building where hostages, clowns and Joker are located. This has brief 2.35:1 shots of the same scene, as well as 2.35:1 shots of the ferry scenes.
-More of this sequence, this time with Batman's sonar vision in IMAX, along with Lucius overseeing the action. The IMAX scenes continue right up until Joker is tied up by Batman after throwing him off the building, but all the ferry scenes in between all of this are 2.35:1.
-The closing montage beginning with Gordon's eulogy (at Dent's funeral) and epilogue speech about who and what Batman is, leading up to the on-screen title card.
I don't think I've missed any, but if I did add them to the list so people who haven't seen the IMAX version will know in advance.
-The entire opening bank robbery and quick night time cityscape shot that followed the sequence
-The city shot closing in on the Wayne Enterprises building
-The seaplane landing close to Bruce's sailboat
-The helicopter flyover of Hong Kong, including Lucius Fox's walk across the helipad and into the L.S.I. Holdings lobby where he surrenders his cellphone
-The establishing shot of Bruce standing atop a building in his new Batsuit, where he fires sticky bomb charges on the L.S.I. windows. He then jumps and glides to the building. (This is intercut with 2.35:1 shots of Lau in his office)
-The explosion of the sticky bombs behind Batman and Lau, leading to the seaplane's flyover and skyhook extraction of the two.
-The short close-up of Wayne's penthouse apartment for the party sequence
-The shot closing in on Batman as he stands on the Sears Tower (if cropped without adjustments, Batman's head would be missing in the 2.35:1 version)
-The very short overhead shot looking down on the Police funeral parade.
-The entire sequence involving Harvey Dent ("the Batman") being escorted by SWAT team convoy to central holding, when Joker lures them underground to destroy the convoy and eventually the Tumbler. This is the longest IMAX sequence in the film and covers everything including the Batpod's reveal and blasting through the subway to the Joker truck flip-over, ending after Joker is captured by Gordon.
-Short cuts of Batman racing on the Batpod to find Rachel after the Joker interrogation.
-The shot of Joker hanging out of the police car like a dog, as well as the aftermath of the building explosion where Rachel was being kept, including Alfred's reading of her letter to Bruce. It lasts up until Bruce is resting in a chair with parts of his Batsuit on the floor.
-The Lamborghini racing down streets to find Gordon and Reese, intercut with 2.35:1 shots of the police barricades and hospital interiors.
-The infamous Joker walking out of the hospital explosion, intercut with 2.35:1 scenes of reporter Mike Engel being pulled into a school bus and screaming patients inside the bus.
-The overhead shot of the explosion aftermath.
-A short shot of Gotham being evacuated.
-Various shots of the SWAT team taking over the Prewitt building where hostages, clowns and Joker are located. This has brief 2.35:1 shots of the same scene, as well as 2.35:1 shots of the ferry scenes.
-More of this sequence, this time with Batman's sonar vision in IMAX, along with Lucius overseeing the action. The IMAX scenes continue right up until Joker is tied up by Batman after throwing him off the building, but all the ferry scenes in between all of this are 2.35:1.
-The closing montage beginning with Gordon's eulogy (at Dent's funeral) and epilogue speech about who and what Batman is, leading up to the on-screen title card.
I don't think I've missed any, but if I did add them to the list so people who haven't seen the IMAX version will know in advance.
12-02-08, 01:32 PM
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IMAX Scenes are as follows:
-The entire opening bank robbery and quick night time cityscape shot that followed the sequence
-The city shot closing in on the Wayne Enterprises building
-The seaplane landing close to Bruce's sailboat
-The helicopter flyover of Hong Kong, including Lucius Fox's walk across the helipad and into the L.S.I. Holdings lobby where he surrenders his cellphone
-The establishing shot of Bruce standing atop a building in his new Batsuit, where he fires sticky bomb charges on the L.S.I. windows. He then jumps and glides to the building. (This is intercut with 2.35:1 shots of Lau in his office)
-The explosion of the sticky bombs behind Batman and Lau, leading to the seaplane's flyover and skyhook extraction of the two.
-The short close-up of Wayne's penthouse apartment for the party sequence
-The shot closing in on Batman as he stands on the Sears Tower (if cropped without adjustments, Batman's head would be missing in the 2.35:1 version)
-The very short overhead shot looking down on the Police funeral parade.
-The entire sequence involving Harvey Dent ("the Batman") being escorted by SWAT team convoy to central holding, when Joker lures them underground to destroy the convoy and eventually the Tumbler. This is the longest IMAX sequence in the film and covers everything including the Batpod's reveal and blasting through the subway to the Joker truck flip-over, ending after Joker is captured by Gordon.
-Short cuts of Batman racing on the Batpod to find Rachel after the Joker interrogation.
-The shot of Joker hanging out of the police car like a dog, as well as the aftermath of the building explosion where Rachel was being kept, including Alfred's reading of her letter to Bruce. It lasts up until Bruce is resting in a chair with parts of his Batsuit on the floor.
-The Lamborghini racing down streets to find Gordon and Reese, intercut with 2.35:1 shots of the police barricades and hospital interiors.
-The infamous Joker walking out of the hospital explosion, intercut with 2.35:1 scenes of reporter Mike Engel being pulled into a school bus and screaming patients inside the bus.
-The overhead shot of the explosion aftermath.
-A short shot of Gotham being evacuated.
-Various shots of the SWAT team taking over the Prewitt building where hostages, clowns and Joker are located. This has brief 2.35:1 shots of the same scene, as well as 2.35:1 shots of the ferry scenes.
-More of this sequence, this time with Batman's sonar vision in IMAX, along with Lucius overseeing the action. The IMAX scenes continue right up until Joker is tied up by Batman after throwing him off the building, but all the ferry scenes in between all of this are 2.35:1.
-The closing montage beginning with Gordon's eulogy (at Dent's funeral) and epilogue speech about who and what Batman is, leading up to the on-screen title card.
-The entire opening bank robbery and quick night time cityscape shot that followed the sequence
-The city shot closing in on the Wayne Enterprises building
-The seaplane landing close to Bruce's sailboat
-The helicopter flyover of Hong Kong, including Lucius Fox's walk across the helipad and into the L.S.I. Holdings lobby where he surrenders his cellphone
-The establishing shot of Bruce standing atop a building in his new Batsuit, where he fires sticky bomb charges on the L.S.I. windows. He then jumps and glides to the building. (This is intercut with 2.35:1 shots of Lau in his office)
-The explosion of the sticky bombs behind Batman and Lau, leading to the seaplane's flyover and skyhook extraction of the two.
-The short close-up of Wayne's penthouse apartment for the party sequence
-The shot closing in on Batman as he stands on the Sears Tower (if cropped without adjustments, Batman's head would be missing in the 2.35:1 version)
-The very short overhead shot looking down on the Police funeral parade.
-The entire sequence involving Harvey Dent ("the Batman") being escorted by SWAT team convoy to central holding, when Joker lures them underground to destroy the convoy and eventually the Tumbler. This is the longest IMAX sequence in the film and covers everything including the Batpod's reveal and blasting through the subway to the Joker truck flip-over, ending after Joker is captured by Gordon.
-Short cuts of Batman racing on the Batpod to find Rachel after the Joker interrogation.
-The shot of Joker hanging out of the police car like a dog, as well as the aftermath of the building explosion where Rachel was being kept, including Alfred's reading of her letter to Bruce. It lasts up until Bruce is resting in a chair with parts of his Batsuit on the floor.
-The Lamborghini racing down streets to find Gordon and Reese, intercut with 2.35:1 shots of the police barricades and hospital interiors.
-The infamous Joker walking out of the hospital explosion, intercut with 2.35:1 scenes of reporter Mike Engel being pulled into a school bus and screaming patients inside the bus.
-The overhead shot of the explosion aftermath.
-A short shot of Gotham being evacuated.
-Various shots of the SWAT team taking over the Prewitt building where hostages, clowns and Joker are located. This has brief 2.35:1 shots of the same scene, as well as 2.35:1 shots of the ferry scenes.
-More of this sequence, this time with Batman's sonar vision in IMAX, along with Lucius overseeing the action. The IMAX scenes continue right up until Joker is tied up by Batman after throwing him off the building, but all the ferry scenes in between all of this are 2.35:1.
-The closing montage beginning with Gordon's eulogy (at Dent's funeral) and epilogue speech about who and what Batman is, leading up to the on-screen title card.
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Like I said, I haven't yet decided how I will watch this on my 2.35:1 screen, but I wish I had more than one option. It was shown on normal theaters at a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I would like to have that as an option, in addition to the switching aspect ratios version that we are getting.
With my new widescreen setup, I have gained approximately 30% screen area for 2.35:1 movies. I hate the thought of not being able to utilize all of that real estate for 80-90% of the movie.
12-02-08, 01:41 PM
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It depends on the aspect ratio of what you are watching.
If you were really a widescreen supporter you would know that 2.35:1 'scope' movies are WIDER than 16:9 (1.78:1) and require those smaller borders.
1.85:1 movies have tiny borders usually eaten up by overscan on an HDTV.
If you were really a widescreen supporter you would know that 2.35:1 'scope' movies are WIDER than 16:9 (1.78:1) and require those smaller borders.
1.85:1 movies have tiny borders usually eaten up by overscan on an HDTV.
12-02-08, 10:12 PM
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Why use an IMAX indoors. Use a Red One or something. You'll only benefit from the severely high resolution of an IMAX shot on a severely large screen. Even for those who own 100" LCDs and Plasmas and Projectors, a 4K camera such as a Red One should be enough, as the resolution is downsampled for 1080p viewing anyway.
12-02-08, 10:51 PM
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Well, I have always been an O.A.R. kind of guy, no matter how small a screen I watch a movie on, I'd always pick a letterboxed widescreen presentation over pan and scan or even open matte. But I think this "partially filmed in IMAX" thing is getting into new territory.
Like I said, I haven't yet decided how I will watch this on my 2.35:1 screen, but I wish I had more than one option. It was shown on normal theaters at a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I would like to have that as an option, in addition to the switching aspect ratios version that we are getting.
With my new widescreen setup, I have gained approximately 30% screen area for 2.35:1 movies. I hate the thought of not being able to utilize all of that real estate for 80-90% of the movie.
Like I said, I haven't yet decided how I will watch this on my 2.35:1 screen, but I wish I had more than one option. It was shown on normal theaters at a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I would like to have that as an option, in addition to the switching aspect ratios version that we are getting.
With my new widescreen setup, I have gained approximately 30% screen area for 2.35:1 movies. I hate the thought of not being able to utilize all of that real estate for 80-90% of the movie.
12-02-08, 11:33 PM
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How much you wanna bet an Uncut & Uncramped Version will be out early next year. 
I may hold out on this release and wait for the additional "feature".
I may hold out on this release and wait for the additional "feature".
12-03-08, 01:11 AM
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Fuck! Looks like Warner really screwed the pooch on this one. Xylon over at AVS has posted his usual screen caps and this is smeared to hell and back with DNR and edge enhancement. This is not one of those phantom AVS complaints either, you can really notice the DNR on this one.
Cannot understand how Warner screws up the THE Blu-ray release of the year like this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Warner gets my vote for worst Blu-ray studio for 2008. They have regressed worse than any other studio and warrants more criticism than Fox did last year.
Cannot understand how Warner screws up the THE Blu-ray release of the year like this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Warner gets my vote for worst Blu-ray studio for 2008. They have regressed worse than any other studio and warrants more criticism than Fox did last year.
12-03-08, 01:55 AM
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Fuck! Looks like Warner really screwed the pooch on this one. Xylon over at AVS has posted his usual screen caps and this is smeared to hell and back with DNR and edge enhancement. This is not one of those phantom AVS complaints either, you can really notice the DNR on this one.
I just went over the entire thread at AVS so let me respond with the following:
Either the overwhelming majority of professional reviewers, and I mean upper 99%, are total charlatans and have no idea what they are talking about when giving all these high marks, or AVS has gathered the greatest gang of tech experts which the film industry miraculously did not manage to employ.
Not sure where film comes in here!
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