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Old 01-07-11, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kory
Yeah, both sides of the fence here need to realize that there are people who feel the complete opposite way from them, and that both points of view are completely valid.

None of these things are enough to ruin anyone's year, but they are enough to cause great annoyance and grief for those of us who are completists (is that a word?), and like to collect movies and TV shows for how they look, as well as what the disc contains.

At the same time, I understand that some people like to just own the movie and would rather not pay for bonus DVDs and digital copies and bonus discs of special features and special packaging and the like. That's why I think it's great that studios have started releasing stripped-down versions as well as jam-packed versions of movies, in order to please both audiences.
You are correct and I admit I was beating a dead Shame on me because I just got on someone else's case for taking every opportunity to dump on a movie they didn't like but was generally considered very good. One problem with these jam-packed sets is that they always seem to leave something out. They include 14 discs of extra features but I guarantee you can find someone not happy with what was included or missing.

For Star Wars. I may still upgrade at some point but realizing I haven't watched the discs I have in eons I don't feel an immediate need. I saw them in the theaters, then I saw them on tape, then I took my son when they were re-released as SE's, then i saw them on LD, and finally DVD. Not as a slam to the extras, but I'm satisfied with the extras in the current set so although $90 for 6 movies is pretty reasonable at $15 per movie, I may hold off and see if I can just grab the films themselves at some point for less.
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Here's what I upgraded to.
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Here's what I upgraded to.
I had this, but I'm pretty sure my ex-brother-in-law stole it before he ran away to Connecticut.
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I still have that set sealed. I stumbled onto it in a ____ (insert popular mall movie store in the 90's. I can't remember the name, somebody help me out. lol) at regular retail ($59) AFTER the SE had already been released.
Old 01-08-11, 08:37 PM
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I threw this out on Twitter, but I can TOTALLY see Lucas including...the exact same non-anamorphic LD masters, STILL in SD, in the extra features section.
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It's not worth the extra $45 besides whatever newer features or footage that will be on the bonus discs will be on youtube weeks before the release date.

Also, buying just the original trilogy sends a message to ol' Georgie.
You think three Blu-Ray discs' worth of content is hitting YouTube?

And no, nothing sends a message to George Lucas.
Old 01-08-11, 08:45 PM
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Yea... I honestly don't think anything is ever going to change Lucas's mind at this point. Your only hope is getting them after he dies.
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
I threw this out on Twitter, but I can TOTALLY see Lucas including...the exact same non-anamorphic LD masters, STILL in SD, in the extra features section.You think three Blu-Ray discs' worth of content is hitting YouTube?

And no, nothing sends a message to George Lucas.
You twitted before posting here??
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
I threw this out on Twitter, but I can TOTALLY see Lucas including...the exact same non-anamorphic LD masters, STILL in SD, in the extra features section.You think three Blu-Ray discs' worth of content is hitting YouTube?

And no, nothing sends a message to George Lucas.
No, I don't think 3 discs worth of extra content will hit youtube, however I think the best of the extra content will get posted. I used to be a big Star Wars fan so there isn't a whole lot I haven't heard about.

Anyway, not about sending a message just a personal thing I guess about choosing to buy only the original trilogy.
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
And no, nothing sends a message to George Lucas.
Originally Posted by ThePhantomGoat
Yea... I honestly don't think anything is ever going to change Lucas' mind at this point. Your only hope is getting them after he dies.
Sadly, I agree with you both. Coincidentally, I was deleting some old e-mail earlier when I stumbled across this from 2006:

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Dear Dean:

I wanted you to know how much we appreciate the passion and enthusiasm you have for Star Wars, and thank you for sharing your concerns about our upcoming DVD release.

The DVDs being released in September will contain two versions of Star Wars: Episodes IV, V and VI—the Special Editions (which represent George's vision of the movies) and the first versions, which will be included as bonus material. We hoped that releasing those "original" movies on a bonus disc would be a way to have some additional fun with the debut of the movies as individual DVDs. We certainly did not want it to become a source of concern or frustration for any of our fans.

As you may know, an enormous amount of effort was put into digitally restoring the negatives for the Special Editions. In one scene alone, nearly 1 million pieces of dirt had to be removed, and the Special Editions were created through a frame-by-frame digital restoration. The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions, and existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition.

So many fans have requested the original movies, we wanted to find a way to bring them to you. But since these movies do not represent George's artistic vision, we could not put the extraordinary time and resources into this project as we did with the Special Editions. The 1993 Laserdisc masters represented the best source for providing the original versions as DVD bonus material. Although these are non-anamorphic versions, they do preserve the original widescreen composition of the movies.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.

We hope you will understand our decision and, again, want to let you know how much we appreciate your interest and enthusiasm.

Sincerely,

Lynne Hale
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Old 01-08-11, 09:54 PM
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As for the extras, what is left that hasn't been seen? Most of the OT deleted scenes I have saw a few years ago on some website (I can't remember the name), including alot of Luke and Biggs at the beginning of Star Wars.

As for Documentaries, what is left to be said about these movies? The Empire of Dreams Documentary was great in the '04 Disks, but wont these new docs just be a rehash of old stuff? And as for new interviews, I don't care to hear Lucas talk about his revisionist BS about the saga now.
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Anyone else think we'll see the theatrical cuts in here somehow?

My fingers are crossed.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I still have that set sealed. I stumbled onto it in a ____ (insert popular mall movie store in the 90's. I can't remember the name, somebody help me out. lol) at regular retail ($59) AFTER the SE had already been released.
I am going to hazard a guess of Suncoast Video. Is that the one MC? If not, no clue then
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
I threw this out on Twitter, but I can TOTALLY see Lucas including...the exact same non-anamorphic LD masters, STILL in SD, in the extra features section.You think three Blu-Ray discs' worth of content is hitting YouTube?

And no, nothing sends a message to George Lucas.
+1 This is something I can see happening and while it will not be exactly what we want, I would at least be satisfied that it is part of the package.
Old 01-08-11, 10:52 PM
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The problem I have with the 'it would be SO hard and expensive to restore..." excuse is that they've already restored, like, 95% of the original material of the OT!
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The problem I have with the 'it would be SO hard and expensive to restore..." excuse is that they've already restored, like, 95% of the original material of the OT!
But it was hard!
Old 01-08-11, 11:04 PM
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The original Star Wars movies were my favorite films of my childhood. I still love them, but I have not bought them since VHS. I want these blu-rays, but if George Lucas's stubborn ass cannot provide the original, unaltered films (in high quality masters) which fans have been asking for for years then fuck him and these releases. I have no problem with him changing every thing he wants in the movies as long as he gives us those original versions. If they did this then god bless him and I'll buy them. He probably won't though. Fuck you George Lucas. Fuck you for raping my childhood.
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AND expensive!
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Originally Posted by coli
As for the extras, what is left that hasn't been seen?
My understanding based way back on the OP info or info around that time was that they went through the whole Lucasfilm vault and found hours of material they thought had been destroyed or lost long ago. The expectation is that these new discs will contain extensive deleted scenes that have never been seen anywhere, because they've been gathering dust in the archives basically since they were shot.

And yes, the "time / money" argument is stupid. Not only could they just restore the 10-20 minutes of footage that got altered or changed, but this is Star Wars. They have all the time in the world, and all the money they could ever need, should they want to do a restoration.
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but it's hard and expensive! What don't you understand, man?
Old 01-08-11, 11:58 PM
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The original Star Wars is an incredibly important piece of cinematic history. No matter what you think about it, the impact this movie made is still being felt today. It transformed the entire industry. To not restore it because Lucas didn't have the money or the ability to place puppets in the background of several scenes (and use the excuse that it wasn't the director's vision) is inane. People would line up to pay $139.99 a set for the 100% original unmolested blu-ray release of the original trilogy.
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well...I dunno if I'd pay for it at that much...but I would get it at some point..and at a much cheaper price.
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well...I dunno if I'd pay for it at that much...but I would get it at some point..and at a much cheaper price.
Oh, so the expensiveness of the project is someone else's problem?
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I don't expect the so-called "OOT" to be on this set, and frankly, I hope it's not. We already have the unaltered original trilogy on DVD. It's not perfect, but it's never going to be (if we take Lucas at his word).

I want the special features on the Blu-ray set to focus on what hasn't been put on home video yet. And bear in mind: About 14 of those 30 hours they mentioned could be nothing more than commentaries. Otherwise, that would be an average of 10 hours per disc. Unless it's all in SD, that scenario is unlikely. Of course, some of that could be PiP content, too.

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People would line up to pay $139.99 a set for the 100% original unmolested blu-ray release of the original trilogy.
Sure they would. People would also pay that price for the set that's been announced. More people would line up to pay $89.99 for it.

Ultimately if the OT purists were a big enough group to put a dent in the Luca$ empire via boycotts (they aren't) and if they had the willpower to stick to their guns and not buy the altered versions (they don't) it would be different but as it stands this is going to be yet another big river of money flowing into Lucas's wallet and as such he's going to continue doing what he wants to do with the property.

In reality the people who refuse to watch anything but the unaltered OT are a small but vocal minority, and given their nature of course they're going to be the ones online beating a dead horse about what they see as a huge injustice. There's online and there's the real world and in the real world they're absolutely dwarfed by people who don't care about the changes/updates, the people who actually prefer them and the people who are all for the inclusion of multiple versions of the film but don't see it as a dealbreaker if it doesn't happen that way.

Right now there's someone out there who absolutely loves the 97 SE's and would fork over an unreasonable wad of cash to see that precise version of the trilogy on Blu-ray as opposed to anything that came before or since. It's not about whether or not there are people out there that want any particular thing, it's about how big a part they are of the overall bigger picture and the absolutely overwhelming majority of people in the market for "Star Wars" on Blu-ray are going to be willing to pay for what's being offered in September.

I almost said "...going to be satisfied with what's being offered in September" but again, there will be plenty of people who have the "I'll buy it but I don't have to be happy about it!" mentality and that means absolutely nothing to Lucas because a sale is a sale.


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