Japanese La Reine Margot
12-03-03, 08:59 PM
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Japanese La Reine Margot
Does anybody have any details on the Japanese release of La Reine Margot? It was released by Pioneer in late 2002. I would like to know about the picture quality. Is it any better than the US version?
12-03-03, 11:12 PM
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You might want to check out the R4 Australian disc. It is supposed to be much better than the R1 US disc. Probably a lot cheaper than the R2 Japan.
See here for some reviews of the R4: http://www.dvd-basen.dk/uk/home.php3...land=%25&ok=go
See here for some reviews of the R4: http://www.dvd-basen.dk/uk/home.php3...land=%25&ok=go
12-04-03, 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by indycohiba
Please let me know if you find anything out about this. Pro-bassoonist do you have any info.? I know you are in to french films.
Please let me know if you find anything out about this. Pro-bassoonist do you have any info.? I know you are in to french films.
I have the British disc which unlike the R1 one is anamorphic and has an outstanding picture. I would assume that the R4 Australian disc would be the same.
To sum it up- I would highly recommend the British disc (which by the way has the same awesome cover as the French one) and could be had for less than 20$. No info on the Japanese disc.
edit: I HIGHLY doubt it the J2 would have English subs!!
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12-04-03, 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
Indy....
I have the British disc which unlike the R1 one is anamorphic and has an outstanding picture. I would assume that the R4 Australian disc would be the same.
To sum it up- I would highly recommend the British disc (which by the way has the same awesome cover as the French one) and could be had for less than 20$. No info on the Japanese disc.
edit: I HIGHLY doubt it the J2 would have English subs!!
Indy....
I have the British disc which unlike the R1 one is anamorphic and has an outstanding picture. I would assume that the R4 Australian disc would be the same.
To sum it up- I would highly recommend the British disc (which by the way has the same awesome cover as the French one) and could be had for less than 20$. No info on the Japanese disc.
edit: I HIGHLY doubt it the J2 would have English subs!!
http://www.bensons-world.co.uk/dvd/p...0000055465.asp
12-05-03, 06:16 AM
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Indy:
yes this is the version (and I also got it from Benson's more than 2 years ago when it was on sale).
Also, just to let you know the actual cover looks like this:
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/dvd.php?id=1243
It comes in a white case (with double sided cover- like Adaptation). I love this film and Isabelle Adjani is a beauty!!
Hope this helps, Cheers!
yes this is the version (and I also got it from Benson's more than 2 years ago when it was on sale).
Also, just to let you know the actual cover looks like this:
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/dvd.php?id=1243
It comes in a white case (with double sided cover- like Adaptation). I love this film and Isabelle Adjani is a beauty!!
Hope this helps, Cheers!
12-07-03, 06:46 PM
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Unfortunately, the UK and Australian discs are even more incomplete than the US disc. Even though it's not anamorphic, the US disc is still the most complete option available for non-French speakers. Until somebody releases the complete 160-minute cut with English subtitles, the US disc is the only way to go.
12-07-03, 07:09 PM
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I agree. The UK and Australian discs are missing a few scenes that are present in the US release. The Japanese release appears to be the 144 minute cut, which is the same as the US. That is why I was wondering if it was a better transfer.
I've only seen one commercial release of the 160-minute cut of the film. It is an Australian VHS that was put out by Ronin Films, La Reine Margot's Australian distributor. I don't know if they're still offering it for sale. I bought it and had it converted to DVD.
I've only seen one commercial release of the 160-minute cut of the film. It is an Australian VHS that was put out by Ronin Films, La Reine Margot's Australian distributor. I don't know if they're still offering it for sale. I bought it and had it converted to DVD.
12-07-03, 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by bjackson
I agree. The UK and Australian discs are missing a few scenes that are present in the US release. The Japanese release appears to be the 144 minute cut, which is the same as the US. That is why I was wondering if it was a better transfer.
I've only seen one commercial release of the 160-minute cut of the film. It is an Australian VHS that was put out by Ronin Films, La Reine Margot's Australian distributor. I don't know if they're still offering it for sale. I bought it and had it converted to DVD.
I agree. The UK and Australian discs are missing a few scenes that are present in the US release. The Japanese release appears to be the 144 minute cut, which is the same as the US. That is why I was wondering if it was a better transfer.
I've only seen one commercial release of the 160-minute cut of the film. It is an Australian VHS that was put out by Ronin Films, La Reine Margot's Australian distributor. I don't know if they're still offering it for sale. I bought it and had it converted to DVD.
12-07-03, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by indycohiba
Are you sure it's missing scenes? Have you seen both? I know the running time is different between the R1 and UK dvd, but that is most likely due to PAL speedup.
Are you sure it's missing scenes? Have you seen both? I know the running time is different between the R1 and UK dvd, but that is most likely due to PAL speedup.
Interestingly, Guild has also submitted a version that runs 155m 11s. Are there two different Guild releases? Obviously there are two different covers. Is one of these actually the complete version that we're all looking for?
Incidentally, the 137m version was submitted by Guild on July 19, 1995, while the 155m version was submitted on November 21, 1996. So, does this explain the two different covers? That Bensonsworld link lists a 155m runtime.
[Addendum: dvdcompare.org.uk lists a runtime of 137m 12s for the UK disc, which would further widen the gap between the UK and US discs.]
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12-07-03, 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by indycohiba
Are you sure it's missing scenes? Have you seen both? I know the running time is different between the R1 and UK dvd, but that is most likely due to PAL speedup.
Are you sure it's missing scenes? Have you seen both? I know the running time is different between the R1 and UK dvd, but that is most likely due to PAL speedup.
my British disc is indeed 138min. and the French release is indicated as being- 143min.
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/dvd.php?id=1243
....however I do believe that this is a typo and both the French and British discs have the same running time (I could be wrong though).
I still recommend the British disc for 2 reasons:
First, I highly doubt it we'll ever see the "original" longer cut on dvd that has been discussed so many times on this forum, (the Australian VHS)
and second- Having seen the US disc ....I simply did not like the picture quality!!
12-07-03, 09:41 PM
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I did and I am actually going to research this issue a bit.....very interesting. Do you think that the old cover that was on beson's world (still is) is actually the longer cut you mentioned?
12-07-03, 09:53 PM
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OK, I just did a little poking around and there's lots of conflicting information out there. The new UK disc cover art is shown on most vendor sites, but the running time is alternately given as 137m and 155m. Apparently the first UK DVD release had some player compatibility problems, so Guild rereleased the disc a year or so later with new cover art. However I can't confirm whether or not the new 155m runtime is a mistake or not. Strange that they would submit a longer cut to the BBFC a year later and then release the shorter version again.
I also found some newsgroup discussions that mentioned that the Guild DVD trimmed some of the gorier shots. Apparently the UK VHS release featured the same cuts, but it also was claimed to have passed uncut by the BBFC. This is one of the more aggravating practices of UK video companies. They cut the movie themselves so they can claim that it passed the censor board uncut. Ridiculous.
Incidentally, the runtime on the French disc is correct. The director prepared a 146m re-edit of the film for the French market. It reportedly differs significantly from the widely seen 144m cut, but it's only ever been available in French.
I also found some newsgroup discussions that mentioned that the Guild DVD trimmed some of the gorier shots. Apparently the UK VHS release featured the same cuts, but it also was claimed to have passed uncut by the BBFC. This is one of the more aggravating practices of UK video companies. They cut the movie themselves so they can claim that it passed the censor board uncut. Ridiculous.
Incidentally, the runtime on the French disc is correct. The director prepared a 146m re-edit of the film for the French market. It reportedly differs significantly from the widely seen 144m cut, but it's only ever been available in French.
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12-07-03, 10:08 PM
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Well, I just ordered the UK version from Amazon for 7.99 GBP. I prefer a higher picture quality over a 20-30 second trimming that can't detract from the movie that much. But, it's great to have this thread so I at least know the options. Thanks to everyone!
12-07-03, 11:20 PM
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I have the French Pathe release from 1999. It's missing the scene that is shown on the cover of the UK DVD. It's the scene when La Mole and Margot are wrapped in the red blanket. It's in the US version, but it's missing on the French DVD.
It's really not very different from the 144 minute cut shown in the US. The only major change is the last scene when Margot rides off in the carriage. The French version is a little longer. It actually shows La Mole's head lying in her lap.
It's really not very different from the 144 minute cut shown in the US. The only major change is the last scene when Margot rides off in the carriage. The French version is a little longer. It actually shows La Mole's head lying in her lap.
12-30-04, 06:40 PM
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I wanted to resurrect this thread because I recently purchased the Australian R4 release of Queen Margot. I have to say, this DVD is unbelievable. It's BY FAR the best (subtitled) presentation of the film so far on DVD. The disc contains the US cut of the film.
Here is a link to a review of the disc: http://www.dvd.net.au/review.cgi?review_id=3316
By the way, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, and I apologize if it has, but I recently watched my copy of the French DVD release from Pathe and discovered that it contains an entirely different cut of the film from all other releases. Apparently, Chereau made a cut of the film specifically for release in France. With PAL speedup, it runs 143 minutes and contains many of Isabelle Adjani's scenes that have been cut from the US and British releases.
Here is a link to a review of the disc: http://www.dvd.net.au/review.cgi?review_id=3316
By the way, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, and I apologize if it has, but I recently watched my copy of the French DVD release from Pathe and discovered that it contains an entirely different cut of the film from all other releases. Apparently, Chereau made a cut of the film specifically for release in France. With PAL speedup, it runs 143 minutes and contains many of Isabelle Adjani's scenes that have been cut from the US and British releases.
12-31-04, 02:42 AM
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bjackson:
Could you elaborate a bit more on your claim. Exactly how is this dvd so unbelievable...I am only asking as I am interested in knowing how does it compare to the British disc which is quite decent in my opinion. I have never seen the Aussie disc as I always assumed that it is a replica of the UK disc (which based on your claim above is incorrect). So, if you have seen those two could you please compare them....
(by the way the Aussie disc appears to be cropped - 1.78:1- as the original aspect ratio is 1.85:1)
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Could you elaborate a bit more on your claim. Exactly how is this dvd so unbelievable...I am only asking as I am interested in knowing how does it compare to the British disc which is quite decent in my opinion. I have never seen the Aussie disc as I always assumed that it is a replica of the UK disc (which based on your claim above is incorrect). So, if you have seen those two could you please compare them....
(by the way the Aussie disc appears to be cropped - 1.78:1- as the original aspect ratio is 1.85:1)
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12-31-04, 10:16 AM
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Although the review states that the DVD is 1.78:1, I have compared it to the other releases that I own and I believe that it is definitely 1.85:1. There is nothing on the packaging that states it's 1.78:1.
The review really states everything that I feel is great about this release: the colors and the picture are wonderful and the closest I've seen to the French DVD release.
The review really states everything that I feel is great about this release: the colors and the picture are wonderful and the closest I've seen to the French DVD release.
12-31-04, 11:49 AM
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Ok...I will take a chance and order this one as well. I have two discs already so why not having a third one (the only one I dont have is the R1 which is non 16/9) so if this cut is identical then it will do. If only because of the scene where Adjani and Perez are wrapped up in the quilt.....(bjackson you are sure this is not the same cut as the UK disc, correct??)
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I wont even bother with the Korean release....as I have said so many times before they are all 99.99% PAL to NTSC ports (I wont be surprised if this one is a replica of the R1 disc hence non-anamorphic....)
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I wont even bother with the Korean release....as I have said so many times before they are all 99.99% PAL to NTSC ports (I wont be surprised if this one is a replica of the R1 disc hence non-anamorphic....)