Return of the One-and-Only Old School HK Kung Fu Thread
09-20-05, 09:11 PM
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FYI, the IVL HK dvd of Avenging Eagle...
is cut by exactly a minute of action in its finale. There's a point where Ku Feng flips off a stair and Fu Sheng and he fight for a minute. This is cut from the HK release. The placement of the cut is so perfect, it's hard to catch. It's so well done, it appears it's a result of them using an alternate cut. It's a shame, as the dvd is currently the best version on the market of one of my fave films.
09-21-05, 12:02 PM
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No objections, okay then, instead of starting a separate thread, I'll just mention it here even though it isn't a kung fu film.
If you haven't ever watched one of the Celestial Shaw "Huangmei Opera" DVD releases then I highly recommend checking out Inside the Forbidden City (conveniently available, at least for now, via CD-WOW).
This was the first Huangmei Opera I've ever watched and though I've seen a couple more (The Grand Substitution, The Three Smiles) since then, this is my favorite and I strongly believe it would be a nice addition to those with larger DVD collections. You won't find any martial arts or swordplay but I still really enjoyed it and would rank it on the same level with the martial arts favorites I listed in my previous post.
Does China/HK still make any of these Huangmei Operas? I certainly wouldn't mind them polishing off the sub-genre and introducing it to a new generation. It is a rather charming method of storytelling. I wish I knew how to speak Mandarin so I could sing the songs when I'm in the shower, driving, etc.
If you haven't ever watched one of the Celestial Shaw "Huangmei Opera" DVD releases then I highly recommend checking out Inside the Forbidden City (conveniently available, at least for now, via CD-WOW).
This was the first Huangmei Opera I've ever watched and though I've seen a couple more (The Grand Substitution, The Three Smiles) since then, this is my favorite and I strongly believe it would be a nice addition to those with larger DVD collections. You won't find any martial arts or swordplay but I still really enjoyed it and would rank it on the same level with the martial arts favorites I listed in my previous post.
Does China/HK still make any of these Huangmei Operas? I certainly wouldn't mind them polishing off the sub-genre and introducing it to a new generation. It is a rather charming method of storytelling. I wish I knew how to speak Mandarin so I could sing the songs when I'm in the shower, driving, etc.
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09-23-05, 02:07 PM
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A heads up to everyone in NYC...Tonight (Fri. 9/23 at 7:30 pm) The Museum of the Moving Image in Astoria will be showing the 36th Chamber of Shaolin preceded by The New York Chinese Beauty Pageant Martial Arts Display (2005, 7 mins.Directed by Kim Wang.) featuring beauty pageant contestants. Several finalists of the 2005 Pageant and the director Kim Wang will appear in person. Discussion afterwards with a martial-arts master on the film's interpretation of the martial arts forms it depicts.
09-30-05, 03:59 PM
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You know you've been watching too many Shaws when...............you start clanging together in mock weapons combat your suppertime silverware.
And "yes", inspired by recent viewing of "King Eagle", I've actually done it - much to the annoyance (and some mild degree of amusement) of others at the table.
And "yes", inspired by recent viewing of "King Eagle", I've actually done it - much to the annoyance (and some mild degree of amusement) of others at the table.
10-09-05, 09:50 PM
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I hope we have steak for dinner tomorrow night - I can't wait to wield my steak knife at the table. 
Preface: As mentioned I'm a relative newbie to these and thus haven't watched nearly as many as others who might be reading this, however.......
Wow! Just wow! I just finished watching "The Duel" which was released in the latest batch of IVL Shaw releases. It was so awesome that I almost feel the need to use profanity to describe it! It should be criminal to own such a film for only $9.95.
"The Duel" had a ferocity and hardcore edge to it that well surpasses the other films I've watched. Premiering in 1971, the influence of Sam Peckinpah and Japanese Chambara films is in plain sight (with knives in this film replacing the usual samurai swords - however, you still get the blood geysers). This movie was a change for me in that it wasn't really a wuxia or kungfu film but there was still a ton of action; it is more a gangster film set - I'd guess - in the late 1920's/early 1930's China (so you've got the appearance briefly of guns and cars, etc.).
"The Duel" is another Chang Cheh/Ti Lung/David Chiang film. Plus, you get the added bonus of seeing David Chiang channel Victor Mature's portrayal of Doc Holliday from John Ford's "My Darling Clementine. Want more points of interest for film buffs......then you also get the liberal (and well-fitting) use of the music from "2001: A Space Odyssey" - you can't help but smile at that. Also, there is a fight scene early on that really reminded me of the ending Crazy 88's brawl from "Kill Bill - Volume 1". I'm by no means well-versed in these things but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that Tarantino cited this scene as an influence for his version. If true, I'd say he has some really good taste in films.
As if I weren't in enough trouble already with my interest in the wuxia, kungfu, and Huangmei opera films now it looks like I've got to pick up some of these that are set in the 1920's - 1970's as well. I watched the trailers after watching the movie and one of the trailers billed "The Duel" as a sequel to a film called "Vengeance" which I don't yet own but was already on my to-buy list. Is that true? Some of the other trailers looked interesting too. Can anyone shed some light on how "The Duel" stacks up against other "modern" films such as "Duel of Fist", "The Angry Guest", and "The Singing Killer" (I'm forgetting the other Ti Lung trailer that was on the disc)?
Anyway, "The Duel" was also elevated by a basic but solid & engaging storyline to go along with some interesting characters as portrayed by Ti Lung and David Chiang. So for those - like me - that like an actual story with your action, you're all set to give it a spin. That being said, the selling point on this one is, without a doubt, the action. While the action is not purely faithful to the splendid performance art/dancelike choreography as seen in a lot of the other films, this more "base" action is still a wonder to watch and there is a wicked maliciousness to the fights; the film is brutal (and I mean that in the good sense of the word).
So there you have it, I may be a rookie when it comes to these films but I'll still proclaim "The Duel" as coming highly recommended (and not just to genre fans); it definitely ranks among my top-tier favorites. And for your convenience, it is available at CD-WOW (I've got to stop shilling for them, but "hey", you've got to give credit where credit is due). Note:
due not be put off by the rather - shall we say - "curious" cover art.
One more thing, after one of my prior posts, I decided to quickly revisit "The Eight Diagram Pole Fighter" to see what exactly it was that put me off to it initially. I see now that it was - sad to say - Alexander Fu Sheng's performance that I found a bit irritating but aside from that I enjoyed much more on second viewing.
Preface: As mentioned I'm a relative newbie to these and thus haven't watched nearly as many as others who might be reading this, however.......
Wow! Just wow! I just finished watching "The Duel" which was released in the latest batch of IVL Shaw releases. It was so awesome that I almost feel the need to use profanity to describe it! It should be criminal to own such a film for only $9.95.
"The Duel" had a ferocity and hardcore edge to it that well surpasses the other films I've watched. Premiering in 1971, the influence of Sam Peckinpah and Japanese Chambara films is in plain sight (with knives in this film replacing the usual samurai swords - however, you still get the blood geysers). This movie was a change for me in that it wasn't really a wuxia or kungfu film but there was still a ton of action; it is more a gangster film set - I'd guess - in the late 1920's/early 1930's China (so you've got the appearance briefly of guns and cars, etc.).
"The Duel" is another Chang Cheh/Ti Lung/David Chiang film. Plus, you get the added bonus of seeing David Chiang channel Victor Mature's portrayal of Doc Holliday from John Ford's "My Darling Clementine. Want more points of interest for film buffs......then you also get the liberal (and well-fitting) use of the music from "2001: A Space Odyssey" - you can't help but smile at that. Also, there is a fight scene early on that really reminded me of the ending Crazy 88's brawl from "Kill Bill - Volume 1". I'm by no means well-versed in these things but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that Tarantino cited this scene as an influence for his version. If true, I'd say he has some really good taste in films.
As if I weren't in enough trouble already with my interest in the wuxia, kungfu, and Huangmei opera films now it looks like I've got to pick up some of these that are set in the 1920's - 1970's as well. I watched the trailers after watching the movie and one of the trailers billed "The Duel" as a sequel to a film called "Vengeance" which I don't yet own but was already on my to-buy list. Is that true? Some of the other trailers looked interesting too. Can anyone shed some light on how "The Duel" stacks up against other "modern" films such as "Duel of Fist", "The Angry Guest", and "The Singing Killer" (I'm forgetting the other Ti Lung trailer that was on the disc)?
Anyway, "The Duel" was also elevated by a basic but solid & engaging storyline to go along with some interesting characters as portrayed by Ti Lung and David Chiang. So for those - like me - that like an actual story with your action, you're all set to give it a spin. That being said, the selling point on this one is, without a doubt, the action. While the action is not purely faithful to the splendid performance art/dancelike choreography as seen in a lot of the other films, this more "base" action is still a wonder to watch and there is a wicked maliciousness to the fights; the film is brutal (and I mean that in the good sense of the word).
So there you have it, I may be a rookie when it comes to these films but I'll still proclaim "The Duel" as coming highly recommended (and not just to genre fans); it definitely ranks among my top-tier favorites. And for your convenience, it is available at CD-WOW (I've got to stop shilling for them, but "hey", you've got to give credit where credit is due). Note:
due not be put off by the rather - shall we say - "curious" cover art.One more thing, after one of my prior posts, I decided to quickly revisit "The Eight Diagram Pole Fighter" to see what exactly it was that put me off to it initially. I see now that it was - sad to say - Alexander Fu Sheng's performance that I found a bit irritating but aside from that I enjoyed much more on second viewing.
10-10-05, 01:37 PM
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If you like The Duel, definitely pick up Vengeance, but more importantly pick up The Boxer from Shantung!! I think it's Chang Cheh's masterpiece---John Woo was assistant director, and it's quite obvious how much of an impact this film had on his subsequent work. Great story, music and acting, and one of the most intense final battles in film history. It's a similar hard-edged gangster story also set in the Republican era, with kung fu instead of guns. Great movie.
If you like The Duel, definitely pick up Vengeance, but more importantly pick up The Boxer from Shantung!! I think it's Chang Cheh's masterpiece---John Woo was assistant director, and it's quite obvious how much of an impact this film had on his subsequent work. Great story, music and acting, and one of the most intense final battles in film history. It's a similar hard-edged gangster story also set in the Republican era, with kung fu instead of guns. Great movie.
10-10-05, 04:18 PM
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I agree with Ky-Fi, check out both Vengeance(BTW, not related to The Duel except in style perhaps) and Boxer from Shantung as well. If you like Boxer from Shantung, I'd also check out the semi-sequel Man of Iron when it comes out. Duel of Fist was the first Shaw Brothers film to be shot in Thailand and deal with Thai Boxing. The Angry Guest is a sequel that spends a little too much time on travel from Thailand to Japan to Hong Kong, but has better all out fights. The Singing Killer is along the same lines as Duel with more focus on David Chiang and makes for a good triple bill with Vengeance.
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12-06-05, 12:12 PM
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Linn1, can you (or anyone else of course) shed some light on the upcoming R1 Rarescope (Brentwood) titles "Showdown at the Cotton Mill" and "The Lost Sword Ship"? Is there going to be a continuing series of releases or just these two? Since I'm kind of new to this, how are the films?
Also, after reading the last couple of posts here I did bump some swordplay/huangmei films down on my list and instead picked up "Vengeance", "Boxer from Shantung", "Duel of Fist", and "The Angry Guest" (among others) some time back (still haven't watched them though). Been checking out some others instead: "7-Man Army", "Shaolin Intruders", "Anonymous Heroes", "Dragon Swamp", etc.
Also, after reading the last couple of posts here I did bump some swordplay/huangmei films down on my list and instead picked up "Vengeance", "Boxer from Shantung", "Duel of Fist", and "The Angry Guest" (among others) some time back (still haven't watched them though). Been checking out some others instead: "7-Man Army", "Shaolin Intruders", "Anonymous Heroes", "Dragon Swamp", etc.
12-06-05, 05:01 PM
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Well,
the Rarescope label is out of the UK and is ran by Toby Russel. They are releasing a TON of widescreen only kung fu films over the next couple of years. Really, next year will be AMAZING for all the rare stuff coming from non-US labels. As for the Brentwood discs, they are legit Rarescope product and not boots. BUT I've not seen one label of this type do good PAL to NTSC conversions. Hell, the big boys have problems with that! 
So, I'm picking up the UK discs. I've got the first disc of Showdown..., and the quality is pretty good. EXCELLENT for this film, whose every print was thought to have been destroyed. The movie is directed by Wu Ma and starring Chi Kuan Chun and Tan Tao Liang. The film is an above average Taiwanese kung fu film and the dvd comes with interviews and some period kung fu demos from the cast, which was very cool. Lost Swordship is an ok swordplay film, but I've only seen it full screen. The screen shots I've seen of the dvd do make the film look much more impressive.
Coming after that, is The Face Behind the Mask. Not a re-title and a VERY rare film starring Yuen Hwa, Lo Lieh, and a famous kung fu guy with the initials JC.
And yes, it's one of many films not on his filmography. And early next year they release Along Comes a Tiger. This is the Wu Ma directed, Wong Tao, Phillip Ko, and Tommy Lee starring kung fu remake of Once Upon a Time in the West. This is among my all times faves, so I can't wait to see it. The disc will also have a Wong Tao commentary on the film, which he also produced. And that's just the tip of the iceberg!
So, I'm picking up the UK discs. I've got the first disc of Showdown..., and the quality is pretty good. EXCELLENT for this film, whose every print was thought to have been destroyed. The movie is directed by Wu Ma and starring Chi Kuan Chun and Tan Tao Liang. The film is an above average Taiwanese kung fu film and the dvd comes with interviews and some period kung fu demos from the cast, which was very cool. Lost Swordship is an ok swordplay film, but I've only seen it full screen. The screen shots I've seen of the dvd do make the film look much more impressive. Coming after that, is The Face Behind the Mask. Not a re-title and a VERY rare film starring Yuen Hwa, Lo Lieh, and a famous kung fu guy with the initials JC.
And yes, it's one of many films not on his filmography. And early next year they release Along Comes a Tiger. This is the Wu Ma directed, Wong Tao, Phillip Ko, and Tommy Lee starring kung fu remake of Once Upon a Time in the West. This is among my all times faves, so I can't wait to see it. The disc will also have a Wong Tao commentary on the film, which he also produced. And that's just the tip of the iceberg!
10-25-06, 04:11 PM
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Thought I'd give a bump to this and hopefully pick up some discussion on the recent BCI Rarescope releases in Region 1 (by Brentwood). As far as I can tell, following is the list of releases so far:
The Lost Sword Ship – R1 DVD released on February 14, 2006
Showdown at the Cotton Mill – R1 DVD released on February 14, 2006
The Face Behind the Mask – R1 DVD released on May 23, 2006
Ninjas and Dragons – R1 DVD released on May 23, 2006
Along Comes the Tiger – R1 DVD released on August 22, 2006
Drunken Dragon – R1 DVD released on August 22, 2006
Choi Lee Fat Kung Fu – R1 DVD released on September 26, 2006
Love and Sword – R1 DVD released on September 26, 2006
At least a couple of have been reviewed here at DVDTalk (search "Rarescope"). 10KBullets.com seems to have reviewed a bunch of them, though I'm not sure how accurate they are - as compared to DVDTalk - when it comes to the technical presentation portion of the review, but at least you can get a look at some screen shots. DDD seems to have 6 of the 8 in-stock at $5.99 (the first two aren't even listed on the site). DVDPlanet is listing all 8 with 7 currently on-hand for immediate shipping (priced from $5.95 to $6.50). If we get another DDD 20% sale in November, it might be a good time to take a chance on these titles. If not that, then maybe use a coupon and pick them up from DVDPlanet right now. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing all the titles bundled into a box set release. NOTE: in addition to R1, these have also been released in PAL format in the UK.
But before all that, I'm curious to read thoughts anyone might have on the Rarescope releases.
And just a quick note on some recent IVL Shaw releases currently available from CD-WOW, I'd give a strong recommendation to "Gang Master". I also enjoyed "Oath of Death" and "The Convict Killer" quite a bit. "Savage Five" didn't do a whole lot for me. "Rebel Intruders" was fine with a bunch of action but I just didn't connect too much with the storyline; I preferred the first three I mentioned over "Rebel Intruders". Note that while "Oath of Death" might not have as much action in the middle portion (but you get a bit of T&A to keep your eyes busy in the meantime) I still enjoyed it a lot for the story and you do get a solid amount of action in the opening and closing thirds. Anyway, I realize with so many IVL Shaws being released that it is tough to keep up so I thought I'd add my two cents on the recent stuff.
The Lost Sword Ship – R1 DVD released on February 14, 2006
Showdown at the Cotton Mill – R1 DVD released on February 14, 2006
The Face Behind the Mask – R1 DVD released on May 23, 2006
Ninjas and Dragons – R1 DVD released on May 23, 2006
Along Comes the Tiger – R1 DVD released on August 22, 2006
Drunken Dragon – R1 DVD released on August 22, 2006
Choi Lee Fat Kung Fu – R1 DVD released on September 26, 2006
Love and Sword – R1 DVD released on September 26, 2006
At least a couple of have been reviewed here at DVDTalk (search "Rarescope"). 10KBullets.com seems to have reviewed a bunch of them, though I'm not sure how accurate they are - as compared to DVDTalk - when it comes to the technical presentation portion of the review, but at least you can get a look at some screen shots. DDD seems to have 6 of the 8 in-stock at $5.99 (the first two aren't even listed on the site). DVDPlanet is listing all 8 with 7 currently on-hand for immediate shipping (priced from $5.95 to $6.50). If we get another DDD 20% sale in November, it might be a good time to take a chance on these titles. If not that, then maybe use a coupon and pick them up from DVDPlanet right now. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing all the titles bundled into a box set release. NOTE: in addition to R1, these have also been released in PAL format in the UK.
But before all that, I'm curious to read thoughts anyone might have on the Rarescope releases.
And just a quick note on some recent IVL Shaw releases currently available from CD-WOW, I'd give a strong recommendation to "Gang Master". I also enjoyed "Oath of Death" and "The Convict Killer" quite a bit. "Savage Five" didn't do a whole lot for me. "Rebel Intruders" was fine with a bunch of action but I just didn't connect too much with the storyline; I preferred the first three I mentioned over "Rebel Intruders". Note that while "Oath of Death" might not have as much action in the middle portion (but you get a bit of T&A to keep your eyes busy in the meantime) I still enjoyed it a lot for the story and you do get a solid amount of action in the opening and closing thirds. Anyway, I realize with so many IVL Shaws being released that it is tough to keep up so I thought I'd add my two cents on the recent stuff.
10-25-06, 06:13 PM
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Its funny because I also enjoyed these three a lot. Oath of Death and Convict Killer were very good and Gang Master for me was a true gem. I haven't picked up any of the later releases but Oath of Death was very solid with a good story of friendship and betrayal. Convict Killer had a different atmosphere to some of the other shaw's I've seen and for that reason I really liked it and Gang Master had it all.
10-25-06, 09:00 PM
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I got the Rarescope "Showdown at the Cotton Mill", and I have to say I guess I've just been spoiled by the picture quality of the IVL Shaws---"Showdown" was virtually unwatchable for me, with the washed out colors.
On the Shaw front (of which I've gotten quite behind on this last year), I thought "Five Tough Guys" was quite good---I liked the cast, and I enjoy that slightly more modern Republic era setting. I loved the whole bunch of them teaming up against the giant Japanese Judo master. And for a nice change of pace--a relatively happy ending where all the heroes didn't die in a bloodbath.
I also finally caught up on "Shaolin Handlock", which I enjoyed much more than the reviews led me to think I would. David Chiang is capable of great screenfighting when he's choreographed properly, and I thought he looked quite good in this modern actioner. I got sucked into the story too, and for me, Shaw choreography reached it's peak during this period (76-80)---the fights all looked great.
And I just watched "Heroes of the East" again last night---what a classic! Chinese vs. Japanese---in martial arts and marriage!! One of my favorites....
On the Shaw front (of which I've gotten quite behind on this last year), I thought "Five Tough Guys" was quite good---I liked the cast, and I enjoy that slightly more modern Republic era setting. I loved the whole bunch of them teaming up against the giant Japanese Judo master. And for a nice change of pace--a relatively happy ending where all the heroes didn't die in a bloodbath
.I also finally caught up on "Shaolin Handlock", which I enjoyed much more than the reviews led me to think I would. David Chiang is capable of great screenfighting when he's choreographed properly, and I thought he looked quite good in this modern actioner. I got sucked into the story too, and for me, Shaw choreography reached it's peak during this period (76-80)---the fights all looked great.
And I just watched "Heroes of the East" again last night---what a classic! Chinese vs. Japanese---in martial arts and marriage!! One of my favorites....
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There's a contest currently running on one of my fav movie-review sites. The author lists his top 100 fight scenes of all-time and the contestants have to guess his top 10. The person who comes closest gets a nice bundle...
Momentum Asia releases for Celestial's 'Death Duel', 'The Heroic Ones' and 'Spiritual Boxer'. Soulblade releases for 'Fist From Shaolin', 'Death Duel of Kung Fu', 'My 12 Kung Fu Kicks' and 'Snuff Bottle Connection'. Hong Kong Legends releases of 'Peacock King' and 'A Better Tomorrow 2', Momentum Asia's release of 'Samurai Commando'. Premier Asia's double disk release of 'The Grudge 2', the UK DVD release of 'District 13' and Hong Kong Legends platinum release of 'The Big Boss'. Also included will be a some rare promotional 'bumpf' that you can't buy in the shops.
10-28-06, 09:21 AM
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To post a quick follow-up on a recent post in Part 1 of this thread, based on DVDTalker Linn1's recommendation in that thread I did pick up the Joy Sales DVD release of Broken Oath ($7.99 at Yesasia). Great recommendation - thanks! It's basically a Hong Kong re-working of "Lady Snowblood" and I really enjoyed it. There is good action mixed in throughout the film but I felt it was more story driven and I enjoyed it more for that...but if you are more action-driven it is most certainly there including a lengthy and action-packed finale.
Based on my limited experience with non-Shaw kung fu, I'd call it a must have (along with "Master of the Flying Guillotine" and "7 Grandmasters" (which I also picked up on a recommendation from this forum...that might have been Linn1 also)).
And I most definitely agree with the recent posts by Tutut and Ky-Fi, "Heroes of the East" is first-rate stuff. I recently got around to my copy of an older IVL Shaw release "My Young Auntie". I had kept it on the back-burner for a while as I was a little concerned maybe about the comedy aspect but I shouldn't have worried as it was also first-rate material. I actually found it amusing and it too is loaded with great action. Along with others I've mentioned in this thread, "My Young Auntie" would also secure a spot on my (rapidly expanding) list of favorite Shaw Bros. films.
Based on my limited experience with non-Shaw kung fu, I'd call it a must have (along with "Master of the Flying Guillotine" and "7 Grandmasters" (which I also picked up on a recommendation from this forum...that might have been Linn1 also)).
And I most definitely agree with the recent posts by Tutut and Ky-Fi, "Heroes of the East" is first-rate stuff. I recently got around to my copy of an older IVL Shaw release "My Young Auntie". I had kept it on the back-burner for a while as I was a little concerned maybe about the comedy aspect but I shouldn't have worried as it was also first-rate material. I actually found it amusing and it too is loaded with great action. Along with others I've mentioned in this thread, "My Young Auntie" would also secure a spot on my (rapidly expanding) list of favorite Shaw Bros. films.
10-28-06, 09:33 AM
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And to bother Linn1 again, I was going through once again the older posts in this thread and wanted to know if there is any update on your mention (over a year ago...posts #21 & #23) of some upcoming classic Taiwanese kung fu/horror via the Eastern Star/Insan label?
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Good.
Originally Posted by flixtime
Based on my limited experience with non-Shaw kung fu, I'd call it a must have (along with "Master of the Flying Guillotine" and "7 Grandmasters" (which I also picked up on a recommendation from this forum...that might have been Linn1 also)).
www.easternstarfilms.com
When I posted on them last year, they were JUST getting started. I've got a promo of their first release Two Assassins of the Darkness, and they should start releasing films hopefully next year. They've got some great stuff coming, all subbed, dubbed, and 16:9 enhanced. BTW, next year will be a banner year for kung fu releases in the US, so save your pennies.
10-28-06, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by flixtime
So anyway, watching them now with English-subs and more importantly in their widescreen original aspect ratio, I have found - impressively so given the rather limited number of films I have watched - some of them to be brilliantly entertaining, and virtually all of them delivered a commendable and enjoyable night of entertainment. Seeing these films in widescreen is a must. The cinematography and Shaw Bros. sets are often a feast for the eyes, and the stories are interesting. As someone who is extremely critical of what is passed off as action in too much of modern filmmaking, the absence in these Shaw Bros. films of too-close camerawork, shaky cam, rapid-cutting, and a general incomprehensible presentation of the action is heaven sent. The fight choreography and weaponry is wildly inventive and best of all it is presented in such a fine manner that you as a viewer can appreciate all the work, skill, and talent involved. The camera is set back, held still, and you take in an entire scene in its widescreen magnificence with only limited changes in camera angles designed to give you the best shot of the action. No quick-cutting required here because these folks are talented. Honestly, a large portion of modern action directors are put to shame by what the Shaw Bros. delivered 30 years ago. Also, it is really fun to watch these films and sometimes see various influences whether it be Japanese samurai films or American/Spaghetti Westerns as played out in a martial arts film.
)----and, I think I only saw about 10-12 as a kid in the early 80's, so the rest west were blind buys. Sure, some are better than others, but even the lesser-quality flicks are usally pretty fun and have their merits. And I know many kung fu fans are put off by the slow action of the 60's and early 70's, but I think it's fun to watch those and see the development of how martial arts action scenes were created---because when you watch the great stuff of the late 70's, you can see it's just a honing and culmination of all the stuff they had learned from making all these martial arts movies from the mid-60's on. And the more of these movies I watch, the more respect I have for Ku Feng as an actor---I think he was by far the best one to come out of Shaws. He could play ANYTHING, from sadistic villain, to wise old man, to comic relief, to virtuous hero, to sniveling criminal. I don't think he ever played a role the same way twice.
10-28-06, 07:30 PM
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They're not "pure" kung-fu movies, french editions of King Hu's "Raining in the Mountain" and "A Touch of Zen" are 11.29€ each at Alapage.com.
Those titles have french and english subs. Availability : 2-9 days
For a first order on this site, you benefit of -5€ coupon for a minimum amount of 25€ .
At the 4th step of the ordering process, just enter BONJOUR in the field named "code avantage".
"Raining in the Mountain " 16/9 anamorphic, very good transfer, the only negative point is the image is a bit too bright.
"A Touch of Zen " has a better format but is still cropped a bit and the image has little improvements compared to other editions but the colors are too cold.
Those titles have french and english subs. Availability : 2-9 days
For a first order on this site, you benefit of -5€ coupon for a minimum amount of 25€ .
At the 4th step of the ordering process, just enter BONJOUR in the field named "code avantage".
"Raining in the Mountain " 16/9 anamorphic, very good transfer, the only negative point is the image is a bit too bright.
"A Touch of Zen " has a better format but is still cropped a bit and the image has little improvements compared to other editions but the colors are too cold.
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11-10-06, 09:47 AM
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Pretty nice cover art on those upcoming DVD releases at the EasternStarFilms website; I'm looking forward to them.
Anyway, I went back and gave a closer read to the liner notes for both "7 Grandmasters" and "The Master of the Flying Guillotine", and I've got yet another query. After reading the notes for "7 Grandmasters", I'm interested in picking up "The 18 Bronzemen" (1976) and some of the other titles in director Joseph Kuo's Shaolin cycle of films. I was all set to order "The 18 Bronzemen" from Yesasia, at least until I read the knowledgeable Brian Camp's user comment at IMDb. Towards the end of his comment he indicates that the HK DVD might not necessarily be the preferred cut of the film. Is this alternate (preferred?) cut available on any official DVD release, or at least are there any plans for it in the future? Or should I just go ahead with the HK release (only $8 anyway)?
And to follow-up my earlier Rarescope post, I did go ahead and pick up six of the eight titles via the DDD sale ($4.79 each after discount). Searching "Rarescope" will turn up four of the six, and then search "Drunken Dragon" and "Along Comes the Tiger" for the other two. The first two of the eight total releases are not available at DDD but are listed over at DVDPlanet.
Anyway, I went back and gave a closer read to the liner notes for both "7 Grandmasters" and "The Master of the Flying Guillotine", and I've got yet another query. After reading the notes for "7 Grandmasters", I'm interested in picking up "The 18 Bronzemen" (1976) and some of the other titles in director Joseph Kuo's Shaolin cycle of films. I was all set to order "The 18 Bronzemen" from Yesasia, at least until I read the knowledgeable Brian Camp's user comment at IMDb. Towards the end of his comment he indicates that the HK DVD might not necessarily be the preferred cut of the film. Is this alternate (preferred?) cut available on any official DVD release, or at least are there any plans for it in the future? Or should I just go ahead with the HK release (only $8 anyway)?
And to follow-up my earlier Rarescope post, I did go ahead and pick up six of the eight titles via the DDD sale ($4.79 each after discount). Searching "Rarescope" will turn up four of the six, and then search "Drunken Dragon" and "Along Comes the Tiger" for the other two. The first two of the eight total releases are not available at DDD but are listed over at DVDPlanet.
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Well,
Originally Posted by flixtime
Anyway, I went back and gave a closer read to the liner notes for both "7 Grandmasters" and "The Master of the Flying Guillotine",
Originally Posted by flixtime
I was all set to order "The 18 Bronzemen" from Yesasia, at least until I read the knowledgeable Brian Camp's user comment at IMDb. Towards the end of his comment he indicates that the HK DVD might not necessarily be the preferred cut of the film. Is this alternate (preferred?) cut available on any official DVD release, or at least are there any plans for it in the future? Or should I just go ahead with the HK release (only $8 anyway)?
When video became big in the early '80s, Kuo was asked to edit his films for export. Cutting them down to 90 minutes, changing story elements around, changing music, etc. What's funny is, 18 Bronzemen had alreadly been released in it's original version at that time in the US and UK on video. Kuo's new version edited some footage out, replaced some minutes with footage from other films, etc. This changed the storyline of the film and made it "better" for audences outside of Taiwan. Well, this version is the one Mei Ah released on their DVD. Ditto for Return of the 18 Bronzemen and all of Kuo's other films. Actually, Kuo's original edits of his films haven't been seen since the 70s unless you collect alternate releases or film prints. Mystery of Chess Boxing is cut, Return of the 18 Bronzemen is VASTLY different, ditto for 36 Deadly Strikes, etc. The only film of his I think was untouched from this was Seven Grandmasters. The UK DVD has the old full screen, original version of 18 Bronzemen. It is the better version of the film IMO, but Mei Ah's does look the best.
11-11-06, 11:15 AM
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As always, your insightful response is much appreciated Sifu Linn (yeah, I had a look at your old tombofdvd site too). I really hope someone out there decides to dig 'em up and release Kuo's original edits (original language & OAR too) on DVD......I'd be first in line to buy.
Anyway, Sifu Linn I suppose you've got a pretty full plate to keep you busy (and I'm assuming still working on the book idea referenced in the liner notes) but have you ever maybe considered taking another shot at having your own website. With all the stuff being released legitimately nowadays, maybe you can cover it and put affiliate links and such. Or at least maybe approach Twitch and maybe do a monthly/quarterly article for them or something of that sort (twitch and logboy both post here so, if they read this, maybe they can take the initiative and invite you over there (not that I have any place in suggesting what they should do)....assuming of course it's something you'd want to do in the first place). I realize it's more than a bit forward of me to suggest all this work for you to do, but, since you seem very generous in sharing your wealth of knowledge, I was just curious.
Anyway, Sifu Linn I suppose you've got a pretty full plate to keep you busy (and I'm assuming still working on the book idea referenced in the liner notes) but have you ever maybe considered taking another shot at having your own website. With all the stuff being released legitimately nowadays, maybe you can cover it and put affiliate links and such. Or at least maybe approach Twitch and maybe do a monthly/quarterly article for them or something of that sort (twitch and logboy both post here so, if they read this, maybe they can take the initiative and invite you over there (not that I have any place in suggesting what they should do)....assuming of course it's something you'd want to do in the first place). I realize it's more than a bit forward of me to suggest all this work for you to do, but, since you seem very generous in sharing your wealth of knowledge, I was just curious.
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Lol,
yeah, that's me. It's gotten to a point where even people I look up to call me "master" or "sifu," and that can be a bit much. But it's flattering certainly. I'm actually a fan of Twitch, but I don't know if I'd be in a position to do something like that for them. I'm currently working on extras for three DVD labels, doing interviews, editing copy, the odd liner note for a DVD release, articles for mags overseas, and overviews for film festivals. AND (slowly) working on my book, working a real job, and answering questions via e-mail and forums. That's a lot, but I wouldn't mind talking to them of course. There's some GREAT stuff coming out if you like kung fu films this year. There's Crash (who I haven't worked for in years), who have purchased a bunch of rare prints they are slowly going through for release. This is exciting, as many of these films have never been released before in ANY format. There's Eastern Star, the first Asian company to attempt a kung fu only DVD label (sounds insane just typing that!), and also a couple of new companies in the offing as well. And still the Shaw Brothers releases from IVL, Image, Dragon Dynasty, and perhaps a new company.
As for Kuo's original edits, there's a real question if they still exist. I know that perhaps his most famous film, Born Invincible, the print is missing for that. This is why you've never seen a good release of it. I'd love to see them all uncut too, as there's many of them I've never seen the original versions of! Anyway, I don't mind answering questions as you can see.
As for Kuo's original edits, there's a real question if they still exist. I know that perhaps his most famous film, Born Invincible, the print is missing for that. This is why you've never seen a good release of it. I'd love to see them all uncut too, as there's many of them I've never seen the original versions of! Anyway, I don't mind answering questions as you can see.
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PanMedia/Red Sun Discs HKFlix
Hello, everyone!
First post here! I've been very pleased lately since I discovered HKFlix.com and the PanMedia remastered discs. Many of my childhood favorite KungFu films now look beautiful! But there seems to be one problem...
Has anyone else noticed that a high percentage of the PanMedia discs have mastering problems (at best) or are downright defective (at worst)? I have over 13 different players/rom drives that I've tried these discs on, and only a few titles have had NOTHING wrong with them.
Most discs will play through with only minor glitches, and some (Fist of The White Lotus, for example) just lock up and die... I've been through 3 copies of fist and am at my wit's end...
Has anyone else had trouble? Also, can anyone recommend other online retailers for this stuff? I love HKFlix, but it never hurts to shop around (I live in NY, USA).
Thank you in advance!
First post here! I've been very pleased lately since I discovered HKFlix.com and the PanMedia remastered discs. Many of my childhood favorite KungFu films now look beautiful! But there seems to be one problem...
Has anyone else noticed that a high percentage of the PanMedia discs have mastering problems (at best) or are downright defective (at worst)? I have over 13 different players/rom drives that I've tried these discs on, and only a few titles have had NOTHING wrong with them.
Most discs will play through with only minor glitches, and some (Fist of The White Lotus, for example) just lock up and die... I've been through 3 copies of fist and am at my wit's end...
Has anyone else had trouble? Also, can anyone recommend other online retailers for this stuff? I love HKFlix, but it never hurts to shop around (I live in NY, USA).
Thank you in advance!
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