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Old 01-21-06, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Well, based on the books when two immortals get together the child is born a Pure Immortal. Sonia(Viktor's pure daughter, who was born of 2 Vampires) and Lucian were having a baby so that child would've been pure. Lucian's parents were both Lycan so he was pure.

A Pure Immortal meaning a hybrid, or pure vampire or Lycan? I'm a little confused, could you please give me a link to those books?
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So far, so good as far as the box office goes - Domestic Total as of Jan. 20, 2006: $10,500,000 (Estimate).
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=underworld2.htm

I predicted about $25 - $27 million opening weekend, and it looks like I will be close.
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
A Pure Immortal meaning a hybrid, or pure vampire or Lycan? I'm a little confused, could you please give me a link to those books?
A pure immortal meaning not a human who was turned. So two vampires would equal a pure vampire, two lycans would give you a pure lycan, and one of each gives you the hybrid. Now, what Seline and Michael's will be, who can say. No one has ever added a supercharged vampire with a hybrid before.

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The scene of the two of them sharing a moment was something that pleasantly surprised me. It's been a while since we have had an R rated movie that actually had an intense sex scene as opposed to snuggling and kissing undercovers.
Yeah, that was nice, except for the lack of Beckinsale nipple.


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That makes me wonder if the third one might take place many years in the future. Since both Michael and Selene are allegedly immortal, the two actors could play them without aging and they could have their son/daughter be in their teens. That way they could avoid having to explain how a vampire could give birth (almost another movie in and of itself, which I could do without!).
I'm guessing the third will take place shortly after this one. Both the vampires and werewolves just lost all their leaders, and neither Seline nor Michael are exactly beloved, but obviously they have the most leadership experience at this point, not to mention the most power. So I'm hoping the third one will be about the two of them consolidating power. Much more about politics and persuasion. And I'm guessing their baby will be the thing that either consolidates their power, or it's the thing that makes the vampires not trust them. So we'll see. Plenty of room to maneuver in the sequel.

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I liked the second movie. Felt they brought closure to the story, but they left the door open for another one. I wish they would leave it alone, and leave it on a high note. Now the other sequels are going to be feel unneeded like some of the later highlander and blade sequels.
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I liked the second movie. Felt they brought closure to the story, but they left the door open for another one. I wish they would leave it alone, and leave it on a high note. Now the other sequels are going to be feel unneeded like some of the later highlander and blade sequels.

Well, it depends on whether or not they want to stick to the story of Selene and Michael forever or maybe expand it beyond them. If they have a kid, then there I see potential for them to take the series in that direction. I like what the above poster said about the child being what consolidates their power. I think the third film would be a nice place to end their story and follow the one of their kid trying to unify the two races. While they may not all be great, I could easily see this series going up to a part five or six once you factor in straight to video possibilities. Of course I would hope they won't let the series go down the tubes that bad (letting video releases continue the stories).
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I for one enjoyed this movie alot...Even more than the first one. Kind of reminds me of how I felt for Xmen and Xmen2. First one was fun and pretty good popcorn flick, and the 2nd one they opened it up a little more and did a better job with the action which I liked. Im kind of mixed on a sequel myself because they seem to have a good franchise on their hands, and I like these characters. I also like to see them end on a positive note and not fuck it up like others movies have. But I know it will come down to money and that will decide whether or not it happens. If it does happen, just hope it can be as fun as the first 2.
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If Len Wiseman and Danny McBride keep control of the series, then I imagine at least one more sequel will a) be in the pipeline and b) actually be good.

The one thing that really bugs me about this one is the timeline. In the first film, didn't Viktor say that the Elders leapfrogged through time for 14 centuries? And yet the war with the Lycans was only 600 years old. But the war was already going on when Seline was turned, and her dad was the one commissioned to work on William's prison. In the flashback, Markus, Viktor, and Amelia are all awake, so they haven't started leapfrogging yet. The only way the storyline makes sense is if William's prison was not actually commissioned for about 800 years after he was captured. But perhaps I'm remembering the first one wrong. I'm pretty sure Viktor said Seline "broke a chain that has been unbroken for 14 centuries". Is this just a screenwriting error, or is there a long period where William is sitting in a regular prison before his current prison was made?
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So how exactly can Selene be in the sunlight now? Is it from drinking Alexander's blood?
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Nice spoiler there, but the obvious answer is "yes".

I liked the production values, the special effects, the stunts, but I felt the story was a little on the light side, needed just a little more meat to it, but otherwise, a good followup to the first film, especially for fans of Underworld.

I give it 2.75 stars, or a grade of B-.
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Overall I thought the film was pretty good, but it still left me with more questions:

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1. Since the film picks up right where the first left off, how does Michael know how to "transform at will"? I thought "more experienced" Lycans had to learn this trait?

2. How did William Corvinus survive all these years without feeding?

3. When Alexander Corvinus' team gets bit by William are they Hybrid Super Lycans? I wasn't sure that they were vamps to begin with.

4. Will the Historian become a Hybrid, since he was bit by Marcus?

5. How the hell does Michael get his ass kicked by Marcus, but can rip William's fucking head clean off?
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
The one thing that really bugs me about this one is the timeline. In the first film, didn't Viktor say that the Elders leapfrogged through time for 14 centuries? And yet the war with the Lycans was only 600 years old. But the war was already going on when Seline was turned, and her dad was the one commissioned to work on William's prison. In the flashback, Markus, Viktor, and Amelia are all awake, so they haven't started leapfrogging yet. The only way the storyline makes sense is if William's prison was not actually commissioned for about 800 years after he was captured. But perhaps I'm remembering the first one wrong. I'm pretty sure Viktor said Seline "broke a chain that has been unbroken for 14 centuries". Is this just a screenwriting error, or is there a long period where William is sitting in a regular prison before his current prison was made?
I thought about that too and you're right. Viktor said "the chain has never been broken. Not in fourteen centuries." My guess is that this might be another one of Viktor's lies.
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Kind of like how he passed himself off as the oldest and strongest when in fact Marcus was the oldest and strongest.
That or it is indeed a screenwriting error. Albeit one that can be explained away.
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So did they not officially screen this for critics? Only 27 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes... just wondering.
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Overall I thought the film was pretty good, but it still left me with more questions:

Spoiler:

1. Since the film picks up right where the first left off, how does Michael know how to "transform at will"? I thought "more experienced" Lycans had to learn this trait?

2. How did William Corvinus survive all these years without feeding?

3. When Alexander Corvinus' team gets bit by William are they Hybrid Super Lycans? I wasn't sure that they were vamps to begin with.

4. Will the Historian become a Hybrid, since he was bit by Marcus?

5. How the hell does Michael get his ass kicked by Marcus, but can rip William's fucking head clean off?

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1. Like Selene said, Michael is the first of his kind. The extent of his powers are unknown. He might have equal power to Selene in spite of the fact that she now has a purer source of the Corvinus strain flowing through her veins.

2. Good question.

3. They were humans that were bit by William. Therefor they were stronger than your typical modern-day Lycans but unable to transform back into human form. They were basically rabid wolves.

4. No. Michael became a Hybrid becaus he had the DNA of Alexander Corvinus in his veins. Remember, Michael is one of Corvinus' human decendants. Andreas Tanis is very much dead.

5. Perhaps because William hasn't had a bit to eat in centuries and is very weak during that fight. Also, he fought uber-Selene before fighting Michael. William was probably already tired by then.
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Originally Posted by Artman
So did they not officially screen this for critics? Only 27 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes... just wondering.
Screen Gems has not been screening most of their recent films. Frankly, I can't blame them. The critics hate movies like this (just look at most of the Rotten Tomatoes reviews), and advance negative buzz does not help.

The fans are all that matter and most of the fans seem to like this movie. Yahoo! Users: B+ 4950 ratings, boxofficemojo Readers B+ (95 votes), imdb.com 7.4/10 (731 votes).
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3. They were humans that were bit by William. Therefor they were stronger than your typical modern-day Lycans but unable to transform back into human form. They were basically rabid wolves.
That helps a bit... but raises another question.....

Spoiler:

Now that I think about it. Why the hell would Alexander Corvinus have anyone guarding him? I mean, he's Alexander-Fucking-Corvinus: The Actual Source and stronger than William or Marcus.

Besides, what good is Human Security against Vamps/Lycans?
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
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4. No. Michael became a Hybrid becaus he had the DNA of Alexander Corvinus in his veins. Remember, Michael is one of Corvinus' human decendants. Andreas Tanis is very much dead.
One more....
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So one can drink the blood of Corvinus and become Super Vamp/Lycan (Selene, no previous Corvinus dna), but one cannot survive a bite from a Hybrid (with Corvinus' blood already in their veins)?
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Just got back from seeing it this evening. WOW. Absolutely everything i was hoping it would be. 100% pure popcorn munching eye popping bliss. Now get the 3rd one finished while Kate can still fit in the latex. COMPLETE THE TRILOGY! Wooooo!

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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
That helps a bit... but raises another question.....

Spoiler:

Now that I think about it. Why the hell would Alexander Corvinus have anyone guarding him? I mean, he's Alexander-Fucking-Corvinus: The Actual Source and stronger than William or Marcus.

Besides, what good is Human Security against Vamps/Lycans?
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They weren't his bodyguards. They were regular humans loyal to Alexander. They helped him keep the Lycan/Vampire war secret from the rest of humanity. Think of them as the Watchers from the Highlander universe but with more to do than merely observe.

Although they were armed in case of Vampire and/or Lycan encounters, their purpose was to deal with humans. Keeping any witnesses silent (like those that observed the big subway shootout in the first film) but never killing them.
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
One more....
Spoiler:


So one can drink the blood of Corvinus and become Super Vamp/Lycan (Selene, no previous Corvinus dna), but one cannot survive a bite from a Hybrid (with Corvinus' blood already in their veins)?
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First off, Alexander was neither Lycan nor Vampire. Nor was he a hybrid. He was merely the progenitor of both races since one of his sons was bitten by a wold (William) and the other by a bat (Marcus). Selene is now a super Vampire because she has Alexanders blood in her veins and she was already a vampire. If a Lycan were to bite her now, she may very well become a hybrid like Michael (only more powerful, given that she has the actual blood of Alexander Corvinus coursing through her veins).

As for Tanis, he was not merely bitten. Marcus bled him dry, so to speak. He was killed. Also, Tanis did not have any Corvinus DNA so a bite form a Lycan would have killed him. That is assuming he was turned and not pure born. I don't know if a Lycan bite would kill a pure born. Perhaps only injure them (assuming the bite is not too severe) but not turn them.
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So why exactly was Alexander Corvinus an immortal? Did i miss that part?
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Originally Posted by dadaluholla
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So why exactly was Alexander Corvinus an immortal? Did i miss that part?
He just was.

I really enjoyed the film, I thought it moved very quick with some great action pieces (Weisman seems to have studied up on action staging) and sufficient performances by all..except Speedman, he was there just to look pretty. Much better than the first which I wanted to like, but felt a little empty.

A couple of nitpicks...the mythology is dense (or maybe I am), in the beginning I couldn't figure out who was related to who.

Terminator 2....there were more than a few places where I saw shots and styles lifted straight out of T2. I don't normally catch this kind of stuff, but it was so in your face.

Otherwise, I dugg the hell out of it...and a nice booming audio track too!
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Originally Posted by clemente
A couple of nitpicks...the mythology is dense (or maybe I am), in the beginning I couldn't figure out who was related to who.
It is a little dense, but it goes like this:

Alexander Corvinus, through a genetic mutation, became immortal (doesn't die by old age, disease, and can take a lot of physical damage). He had two sons, Markus and William. Markus turned into a vampire, William into a werewolf. Markus turned Viktor, a human, into a vampire. We don't know if Amelia was turned or pureborn.

Seline was turned by Viktor. Michael was Corvinus' human descendant (either Corvinus had a human daughter or human son), and was therefore able to survive a bite from both a vampire and lycan to become a hybrid.

I think that's basically it, for the major characters. Kraven might have been pureborn or turned, it's never mentioned.
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Overall I thought the film was pretty good, but it still left me with more questions:

Spoiler:

1. Since the film picks up right where the first left off, how does Michael know how to "transform at will"? I thought "more experienced" Lycans had to learn this trait?

2. How did William Corvinus survive all these years without feeding?

3. When Alexander Corvinus' team gets bit by William are they Hybrid Super Lycans? I wasn't sure that they were vamps to begin with.

4. Will the Historian become a Hybrid, since he was bit by Marcus?

5. How the hell does Michael get his ass kicked by Marcus, but can rip William's fucking head clean off?
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1. i think he's always been able to. it's just natural for him. he did it in part 1 as well.

2. He's immortal. Hunger won't kill him. He doesn't need blood because he's not a vampire.

3. They're come from direct bites from William. Once he was locked away, he could no longer make PURE werewolves. Through generations, the people he bit bit others, and they bit others, etc. and i believe it's safe to assume the rabid acts and not being able to change to human eventually wore off in the dna.

4. No, only people who are direct descendants of the corvinus bloodline become hybrids.

5. Several reasons can be attributed here. 1) he's fighting to save selene 2) he now knows he's damn near invincible, so he can fight with reckless abandon 3) when he fought marcus he didn't know his limits. I need to see this scene again.

btw, what theatre in houston did you see it, just curious. i live in houston.
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Originally Posted by the action
I liked the second movie. Felt they brought closure to the story, but they left the door open for another one. I wish they would leave it alone, and leave it on a high note. Now the other sequels are going to be feel unneeded like some of the later highlander and blade sequels.

I was under the impression they were hoping for a Trilogy.
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I really dug this, alot gorier than the first one (and a lot less dialogue)


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