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Old 05-12-13, 05:40 PM
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Mathieu Kassovitz (La Haine) is an open and shut case.
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Originally Posted by movielib
Robert Redford - Ordinary People. (I'm one of the minority who thinks he deserved his Academy Award over Scorcese's Raging Bull.)
I agree.

Many stellar selections so far. I'll add my own. Only feature-length films count in my list. I have purposely omitted short films and TV series (but not TV movies). We should keep in mind that many/most of the directors we are all choosing are still alive and active, so a few of them might still have aces up their sleeves (though I doubt it).

Spielberg - Duel (1971)
Donald Shebib - Goin' Down the Road (1970)
Adam Simon - Brain Dead (1989)
Godfrey Reggio - Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
Barbara Loden - Wanda (1970)
Frank Cole - Life Without Death (2000)
Steve De Jarnatt - Miracle Mile (1988)
Alain Jessua - Life Upside Down (1964)
Fax Bahr, George Hickenlooper - Hearts of Darkness (1991)
Ken & Jim Wheat - Lies (1983)
Philip Haas - Music of Chance (1993)
Mark Blair - Confessions of a Serial Killer (1987)
Ira Wohl - Best Boy (1979)
Fred Walton - When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Vincenzo Natali - Cube (1997)
Agustin Villaronga - In a Glass Cage (1986)
Larry Cohen - Bone (a.k.a. Housewife)(1972)
Peter McCarthy - Floundering (1994)
Luigi Bazzoni - La Donna Del Lago (1965)
Sam Raimi - Evil Dead (1983)
Carroll Ballard - The Black Stallion (1979)(really a toss-up with Never Cry Wolf)
Keith Gordon - The Chocolate War (1988)
Terrence Malick - Badlands (1973)
Konstantin Lopushansky - Letters from a Dead Man (1986)
Lindsey Vickers - The Appointment (1981)
Nils Gaup - Pathfinder (1987)
Ian Merrick - The Black Panther (1977)
Helene Angel - Skin of Man, Heart of Beast (1999)
William Phillips - Treed Murray (2001)
Nikolas Refn - Pusher (1996)
Marina De Van - In My Skin (2002)
David O. Russell - Spanking the Monkey (1994)
Bustillo, Maury - À l'intérieur (2007)
Buddy Giovinazzo - Combat Shock (1986)
Don Owen - Nobody Waved Goodbye (1965)
Ben Younger - Boiler Room (2000)
Aldo Lado - Short Night of Glass Dolls (1971)
Jonathan Karsh - My Flesh and Blood (2004)
Tim McCann - Desolation Angels (1995)
Ramon Menendez - Stand and Deliver (1987)
David Seltzer - Lucas (1986)
Rockne O'Bannon - Fear (1990)
John Kozak - Hell Bent (1994)(first and last credit to date)
Larry Clark - Kids (1995)
Kiefer Sutherland - Last Light (1993)
Willard Huyck - Messiah of Evil (1973)
Pierre Salvadori - Wild Target (1993)
Darren Aronofsky - Pi (1998)
Mario Bava - Rabid Dogs (1974)
Brian Damude - Sudden Fury (1975)
Dwayne Beaver - The Rhino Brothers (2002)
Arnold Shapiro - Scared Straight (1978)
Gerald Kargl - Angst (1983)
Susan Seidelman - Smithereens (1982)
Phil Joanou - Three O'Clock High (1987)
Takeshi Kitano - Violent Cop (1989)
Jim Muro - Street Trash (1987)

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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
I agree.

Many stellar selections so far. I'll add my own. Only feature-length films count in my list. I have purposely omitted short films and TV series (but not TV movies). We should keep in mind that many/most of the directors we are all choosing are still alive and active, so a few of them might still have aces up their sleeves (though I doubt it).

Spielberg - Duel (1971)
Donald Shebib - Goin' Down the Road (1970)
Adam Simon - Brain Dead (1989)
Godfrey Reggio - Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
Barbara Loden - Wanda (1970)
Frank Cole - Life Without Death (2000)
Steve De Jarnatt - Miracle Mile (1988)
Alain Jessua - Life Upside Down (1964)
Fax Bahr, George Hickenlooper - Hearts of Darkness (1991)
Ken & Jim Wheat - Lies (1983)
Philip Haas - Music of Chance (1993)
Mark Blair - Confessions of a Serial Killer (1987)
Ira Wohl - Best Boy (1979)
Fred Walton - When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Vincenzo Natali - Cube (1997)
Agustin Villaronga - In a Glass Cage (1986)
Larry Cohen - Bone (a.k.a. Housewife)(1972)
Peter McCarthy - Floundering (1994)
Luigi Bazzoni - La Donna Del Lago (1965)
Sam Raimi - Evil Dead (1983)
Carroll Ballard - The Black Stallion (1979)(really a toss-up with Never Cry Wolf)
Keith Gordon - The Chocolate War (1988)
Terrence Malick - Badlands (1973)
Konstantin Lopushansky - Letters from a Dead Man (1986)
Lindsey Vickers - The Appointment (1981)
Nils Gaup - Pathfinder (1987)
Ian Merrick - The Black Panther (1977)
Helene Angel - Skin of Man, Heart of Beast (1999)
William Phillips - Treed Murray (2001)
Nikolas Refn - Pusher (1996)
Marina De Van - In My Skin (2002)
David O. Russell - Spanking the Monkey (1994)
Bustillo, Maury - À l'intérieur (2007)
Buddy Giovinazzo - Combat Shock (1986)
Don Owen - Nobody Waved Goodbye (1965)
Ben Younger - Boiler Room (2000)
Aldo Lado - Short Night of Glass Dolls (1971)
Jonathan Karsh - My Flesh and Blood (2004)
Tim McCann - Desolation Angels (1995)
Ramon Menendez - Stand and Deliver (1987)
David Seltzer - Lucas (1986)
Rockne O'Bannon - Fear (1990)
John Kozak - Hell Bent (1994)(first and last credit to date)
Larry Clark - Kids (1995)
Kiefer Sutherland - Last Light (1993)
Willard Huyck - Messiah of Evil (1973)
Pierre Salvadori - Wild Target (1993)
Darren Aronofsky - Pi (1998)
Don Coscarelli - Phantasm (1979)
Mario Bava - Rabid Dogs (1974)
Brian Damude - Sudden Fury (1975)
Dwayne Beaver - The Rhino Brothers (2002)
Arnold Shapiro - Scared Straight (1978)
Gerald Kargl - Angst (1983)
Susan Seidelman - Smithereens (1982)
Phil Joanou - Three O'Clock High (1987)
Takeshi Kitano - Violent Cop (1989)
Jim Muro - Street Trash (1987)
Are you choosing directors who had really good debuts or do you actually believe your choices were their best films. The reason I ask is because some of your choices IMO are disputable. As an example I would argue that Sonatine and Fireworks are better Takeshi Kitano films than Violent Cop. Or that State of Grace was a better Joanou film than 3:00 High. This is all my opinion of course.
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Re: Filmmakers whose first, or last film was their greatest work.

Have to second Kevin Smith with "Clerks." That's the film that he is, and probably will be, remembered for.
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Originally Posted by inri222
Are you choosing directors who had really good debuts or do you actually believe your choices were their best films. The reason I ask is because some of your choices IMO are disputable. As an example I would argue that Sonatine and Fireworks are better Takeshi Kitano films than Violent Cop. Or that State of Grace was a better Joanou film than 3:00 High. This is all my opinion of course.
No, I followed the thread title. Directors whose debuts or swan songs were, in my opinion, their best films. Of course, I haven't seen every film by every director I listed. I like Violent Cop more than Sonatine and Fireworks. State of Grace I don't remember seeing. I might have, but don't recall. Three O'Clock High is a lightweight flick, but I just find it highly enjoyable and stylish.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Have to second Kevin Smith with "Clerks." That's the film that he is, and probably will be, remembered for.
I think Chasing Amy is his best. Unfortunately, he probably won't ever be as good as that again.
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I see someone already posted it, but definitely Malick's Badlands.
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Originally Posted by movielib
Robert Redford - Ordinary People. (I'm one of the minority who thinks he deserved his Academy Award over Scorcese's Raging Bull.) He hasn't come close since.
I'll take Quiz Show over Ordinary People any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
Kenji Misumi, who directed films in the Zatoichi and Lone Wolf and Cub series, went out with a splash with THE LAST SAMURAI (1974). I haven't seen it in a long time so I can't say for certain that it's his best or not, but it does have a good rep and it was his last film.
Reviewing that one for the site, it just got a DVD release.
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That would fit right into Norm de Plume's list
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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
State of Grace I don't remember seeing. I might have, but don't recall. Three O'Clock High is a lightweight flick, but I just find it highly enjoyable and stylish.
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State of Grace is an awesome movie.
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
That would fit right into Norm de Plume's list
How so?
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I might be inclined to agree on Huston. Maybe it is just the narrative, I don't know. I think he was a better director in a later film but I think that was his best film as well.
Although many people consider his LAST film, The Dead, to be his greatest film. So he's actually elligable for this thread both ways.

I feel that neither Maltese Falcon nor The Dead are his best film however.
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Anybody who doesn't pick Treasure of the Sierra Madre should be excommunicated.
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I'm not sure myself, but some people think Ben Affleck has yet to top Gone Baby Gone.
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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume
I agree.

Many stellar selections so far. I'll add my own. Only feature-length films count in my list. I have purposely omitted short films and TV series (but not TV movies). We should keep in mind that many/most of the directors we are all choosing are still alive and active, so a few of them might still have aces up their sleeves (though I doubt it).

Spielberg - Duel (1971)
Donald Shebib - Goin' Down the Road (1970)
Adam Simon - Brain Dead (1989)
Godfrey Reggio - Koyaanisqatsi (1983)
Barbara Loden - Wanda (1970)
Frank Cole - Life Without Death (2000)
Steve De Jarnatt - Miracle Mile (1988)
Alain Jessua - Life Upside Down (1964)
Fax Bahr, George Hickenlooper - Hearts of Darkness (1991)
Ken & Jim Wheat - Lies (1983)
Philip Haas - Music of Chance (1993)
Mark Blair - Confessions of a Serial Killer (1987)
Ira Wohl - Best Boy (1979)
Fred Walton - When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Vincenzo Natali - Cube (1997)
Agustin Villaronga - In a Glass Cage (1986)
Larry Cohen - Bone (a.k.a. Housewife)(1972)
Peter McCarthy - Floundering (1994)
Luigi Bazzoni - La Donna Del Lago (1965)
Sam Raimi - Evil Dead (1983)
Carroll Ballard - The Black Stallion (1979)(really a toss-up with Never Cry Wolf)
Keith Gordon - The Chocolate War (1988)
Terrence Malick - Badlands (1973)
Konstantin Lopushansky - Letters from a Dead Man (1986)
Lindsey Vickers - The Appointment (1981)
Nils Gaup - Pathfinder (1987)
Ian Merrick - The Black Panther (1977)
Helene Angel - Skin of Man, Heart of Beast (1999)
William Phillips - Treed Murray (2001)
Nikolas Refn - Pusher (1996)
Marina De Van - In My Skin (2002)
David O. Russell - Spanking the Monkey (1994)
Bustillo, Maury - À l'intérieur (2007)
Buddy Giovinazzo - Combat Shock (1986)
Don Owen - Nobody Waved Goodbye (1965)
Ben Younger - Boiler Room (2000)
Aldo Lado - Short Night of Glass Dolls (1971)
Jonathan Karsh - My Flesh and Blood (2004)
Tim McCann - Desolation Angels (1995)
Ramon Menendez - Stand and Deliver (1987)
David Seltzer - Lucas (1986)
Rockne O'Bannon - Fear (1990)
John Kozak - Hell Bent (1994)(first and last credit to date)
Larry Clark - Kids (1995)
Kiefer Sutherland - Last Light (1993)
Willard Huyck - Messiah of Evil (1973)
Pierre Salvadori - Wild Target (1993)
Darren Aronofsky - Pi (1998)
Mario Bava - Rabid Dogs (1974)
Brian Damude - Sudden Fury (1975)
Dwayne Beaver - The Rhino Brothers (2002)
Arnold Shapiro - Scared Straight (1978)
Gerald Kargl - Angst (1983)
Susan Seidelman - Smithereens (1982)
Phil Joanou - Three O'Clock High (1987)
Takeshi Kitano - Violent Cop (1989)
Jim Muro - Street Trash (1987)
While I agree with some of these, I think in a lot of cases, while the artist may have not made a BETTER movie than the ones you listed, they definitly made film's equally as good.
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Final film: Cecil B. DeMille - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

First film: Johnathan Frakes - STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT

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Originally Posted by Chadm
While I agree with some of these, I think in a lot of cases, while the artist may have not made a BETTER movie than the ones you listed, they definitly made film's equally as good.
Quite possibly. As I wrote, I haven't seen close to every movie of every director I listed. Actually, I have to qualify a couple of them: Bazzoni's The Fifth Cord is the equal of La Donna Del Lago, and Giovinazzo's No Way Home can't be considered inferior to Combat Shock, though comparing the two is apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
Final film: Cecil B. DeMille - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Good one! (Although he did produce one more film before he died: THE BUCCANEER, 1959, directed by his son-in-law, Anthony Quinn.)
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