Another movie SHEEP game: SHEEPERHERO II
07-13-16, 02:27 PM
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Something about Men and Black doesn't seem "superhero" to me.
I think a big part of the superhero mythos is that the general public is aware of their existence. The superhero is there to inspire the common person, give them an ideal to live up to, something to hope in. Men in Black don't do that, as no one knows they exist. They are good guys and, yes, heros, but they are not superheros.
I think a big part of the superhero mythos is that the general public is aware of their existence. The superhero is there to inspire the common person, give them an ideal to live up to, something to hope in. Men in Black don't do that, as no one knows they exist. They are good guys and, yes, heros, but they are not superheros.
07-13-16, 02:32 PM
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Well if you look at Amazing Spiderman 2 and freeze frame that one scene with Spiderman in it, you can see on a billboard in the background there's a picture of a dude wearing a Tarantula t-shirt so I demand a recount.
07-13-16, 02:32 PM
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Something about Men and Black doesn't seem "superhero" to me.
I think a big part of the superhero mythos is that the general public is aware of their existence. The superhero is there to inspire the common person, give them an ideal to live up to, something to hope in. Men in Black don't do that, as no one knows they exist. They are good guys and, yes, heros, but they are not superheros.
I think a big part of the superhero mythos is that the general public is aware of their existence. The superhero is there to inspire the common person, give them an ideal to live up to, something to hope in. Men in Black don't do that, as no one knows they exist. They are good guys and, yes, heros, but they are not superheros.
07-13-16, 02:39 PM
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BTW, I fully admit to this being a sneaky answer that I knew could be marked wrong when I submitted it, and I will accept the ruling if everybody says no, but I wouldn't have submitted it if I didn't think it could be argued (and that's half the fun of these games anyway).
07-13-16, 02:53 PM
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I guess the main thing that creates a superhero character is super-human ability (flying, shapeshifting, alien, part animal). For some characters like Batman and Black Widow, all they have is superhuman athletic abilities, but it seems to be enough to place them ahead of the average cop or soldier.
07-13-16, 02:56 PM
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07-13-16, 03:02 PM
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I guess the main thing that creates a superhero character is super-human ability (flying, shapeshifting, alien, part animal). For some characters like Batman and Black Widow, all they have is superhuman athletic abilities, but it seems to be enough to place them ahead of the average cop or soldier.
Take something like Wanted. Now the film removes most of the superhero elements (although they still clearly display superhuman abilities), but the comic starts exactly like the flim, and instead of the son of an assassin, Wesley finds out that he is the son of as supervillain and is brought into their world.
This origin is very similar to how agent Jay is brought into the world of MiB.
07-13-16, 03:06 PM
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Re: Another movie SHEEP game: SHEEPERHERO II
You brought up Blade earlier, but that's a character that was part of a shared universe from day one. He was in the shadows, but he always do-existed with characters like Spider-Man and Hulk. If Marvel wanted, they could retroactively claim those films as part of their cinematic universe, because nothing would conflict with what we've seen.
MIB couldn't do that.
07-13-16, 03:12 PM
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Do you have to be part of a shared universe to qualify as a superhero? Or to take the contrary opinion, just because a character appears in a superhero shared universe, does that necessarily make them a superhero? If Sony went ahead with the Aunt May prequel some sources say that they were planning, is it a superhero movie?
07-13-16, 03:20 PM
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Re: Another movie SHEEP game: SHEEPERHERO II
Do you have to be part of a shared universe to qualify as a superhero? Or to take the contrary opinion, just because a character appears in a superhero shared universe, does that necessarily make them a superhero? If Sony went ahead with the Aunt May prequel some sources say that they were planning, is it a superhero movie?
07-13-16, 03:28 PM
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Have you tried one of Aunt May's wheat cakes? If so, you'd know she's a superhero.
That and her ability to repeatedly conquer death.
That and her ability to repeatedly conquer death.
07-13-16, 03:29 PM
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I'm prepared to defend this answer. Judge Dredd was accepted as superhero property, but not a Marvel or DC Property.
Men in Black is a Marvel property, this is not in question.
Both Judge Dredd and Men in Black are stories about uniformed government agents who use futuristic weaponry to fight superpowered criminals. Edgar fits the criteria of a supervillain.
Men in Black is a Marvel property, this is not in question.
Both Judge Dredd and Men in Black are stories about uniformed government agents who use futuristic weaponry to fight superpowered criminals. Edgar fits the criteria of a supervillain.
It's just Edgar in the credits.
07-13-16, 03:33 PM
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He's repeatedly referred to as "The Bug" by the MiB throughout the film. Edgar is just the skin of the guy that he first inhabits.
07-13-16, 03:48 PM
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07-13-16, 03:56 PM
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It's the only name he is given, but yes, I see what you're getting at.
07-13-16, 04:08 PM
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But how about this one, the name of a superhero or supervillain is often not chosen, but given by others.
And yes I'm just being contrary for the sake of it at this point.
And yes I'm just being contrary for the sake of it at this point.
07-13-16, 04:34 PM
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Scoring summary as of the moment ... I'm going to take a break and let Sheep chime in on the superhero status of MIB. I'm accepting it as Marvel, so that's not the issue.
Scoring summary 13:
Mr. Flix Black Widow -10
wishbone Spider-man {sd} -10
davidh777 The Wasp -10
Shannon Nutt Dr. Octopus{sd} -6
hasslein Ant Man {sd} -4
Decker Mothman (Watchmen - he appears in the opening credits and is referenced by name later by Rorschach) 2
Count Dooku mothman in watchmen 2
Kal-El Ant Man 4
DaveNinja ant man 4
sleepyhead55 Ant Man 4
GhostLee Yellowjacket 4
Super X Yellowjacket 4
cnicholls44 Yellowjacket 4
majorjoe23 Yellowjacket (from Ant-Man) 4
Crocker Jarmen Doc Oc 6
brainee Doc Oc 6
ivelostr2 Doctor Octopus 6
Lord Zarak Dr. Octopus 6
fumanstan Dr. Octopus 6
Obi-Wan Jabroni Edgar the Bug (Men in Black) 8
Screwadu Tarantula (Spidey villian) {sd} 8
A-aron The Tick 8
Scoring summary 13:
Mr. Flix Black Widow -10
wishbone Spider-man {sd} -10
davidh777 The Wasp -10
Shannon Nutt Dr. Octopus{sd} -6
hasslein Ant Man {sd} -4
Decker Mothman (Watchmen - he appears in the opening credits and is referenced by name later by Rorschach) 2
Count Dooku mothman in watchmen 2
Kal-El Ant Man 4
DaveNinja ant man 4
sleepyhead55 Ant Man 4
GhostLee Yellowjacket 4
Super X Yellowjacket 4
cnicholls44 Yellowjacket 4
majorjoe23 Yellowjacket (from Ant-Man) 4
Crocker Jarmen Doc Oc 6
brainee Doc Oc 6
ivelostr2 Doctor Octopus 6
Lord Zarak Dr. Octopus 6
fumanstan Dr. Octopus 6
Obi-Wan Jabroni Edgar the Bug (Men in Black) 8
Screwadu Tarantula (Spidey villian) {sd} 8
A-aron The Tick 8
07-13-16, 04:37 PM
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07-13-16, 04:39 PM
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Re: Another movie SHEEP game: SHEEPERHERO II
I've never thought of MiB as a superhero movie, but FWIW the Wikipedia article discusses it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero_film
Exactly. I notice wishbone got a -10 and was going to point that out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero_film
The success of the "darker" Image Comics characters shifted the direction of comic book movies. Marvel soon released their films to become franchises, Men in Black (1997) and Blade (1998). After Marvel bought Malibu Comics (The company owned "Men in Black"), Marvel and Columbia Pictures released the Men in Black film and comics in 1997.[11] The film became the first Marvel property to win an Oscar and the then highest-grossing comic book adaptation until the release of Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man in 2002.[12]
Exactly. I notice wishbone got a -10 and was going to point that out.
07-13-16, 05:20 PM
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I thought it was a wasted slam dunk like slamming a Sheep question and getting a unique (bootsy). I was thinking with the bug options available that others might go Sheepy on the reverse but clearly I guessed that wrong.
07-13-16, 08:08 PM
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Sorry again ... had an emergency at work.
So we have some issues on the table at the moment:
Are the Men In Black superheroes, thus making Edgar a supervillain?
Is Edgar's name "Edgar the Bug?"
AND
What happens when you SLAM a REVERSE but have a UNIQUE answer?
So we have some issues on the table at the moment:
Are the Men In Black superheroes, thus making Edgar a supervillain?
Is Edgar's name "Edgar the Bug?"
AND
What happens when you SLAM a REVERSE but have a UNIQUE answer?
07-13-16, 08:30 PM
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I think if someone thought up both Green Arrow and Tarantula he should be given a bye to first place but that's just me.
07-13-16, 09:20 PM
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Given the number of lingering questions on Edgar, I do not feel there is enough of a basis to award points.
On the SLAM, here is what the Sheep rules have to say:
Slam Dunks {sd} Players have the power of multipliers in their hands. Each player is given five (5) Slam Dunks ({sd}) which they use by adding {sd} to the end of their answer. Your Slam Dunks have different effects depending on the question you use it on:
In Sheep questions, the {sd} adds 1 to the Multiplier.
In Reverse Sheep questions, you can use your {sd} to turn the question into a sheep question for you. However, if your answer is wrong, it does nothing.
Slam dunks cannot be stacked. Use one per question only or else they will be discarded. You cannot use two slam dunks to turn a Reverse into a Sheep and then slam dunk those sheep answers.
I am calling on the power of the Sheepmasters before me, as the rules do not specifically address a UNIQUE answer. However, the rules do specifically state a {sd} turns a REVERSE into a normal sheep question. Turning it into a sheep question would negate the UNIQUE ...
On the SLAM, here is what the Sheep rules have to say:
Slam Dunks {sd} Players have the power of multipliers in their hands. Each player is given five (5) Slam Dunks ({sd}) which they use by adding {sd} to the end of their answer. Your Slam Dunks have different effects depending on the question you use it on:
In Sheep questions, the {sd} adds 1 to the Multiplier.
In Reverse Sheep questions, you can use your {sd} to turn the question into a sheep question for you. However, if your answer is wrong, it does nothing.
Slam dunks cannot be stacked. Use one per question only or else they will be discarded. You cannot use two slam dunks to turn a Reverse into a Sheep and then slam dunk those sheep answers.
I am calling on the power of the Sheepmasters before me, as the rules do not specifically address a UNIQUE answer. However, the rules do specifically state a {sd} turns a REVERSE into a normal sheep question. Turning it into a sheep question would negate the UNIQUE ...
07-13-16, 09:31 PM
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The only change then would be from -10 to 0 for wishbone.
Standings after 13 ... This is getting exciting!
fumanstan -157
majorjoe23 -157
davidh777 -144
Obi-Wan Jabroni -137
Shannon Nutt -131
ivelostr2 -125
Count Dooku -121
sleepyhead55 -114
A-aron -113
Kal-El -113
cnicholls44 -112
Crocker Jarmen -108
Decker -108
Lord Zarak -107
Super X -102
DaveNinja -88
brainee -83
GhostLee -83
Screwadu -70
Mr. Flix -65
wishbone -63
hasslein -58
Standings after 13 ... This is getting exciting!
fumanstan -157
majorjoe23 -157
davidh777 -144
Obi-Wan Jabroni -137
Shannon Nutt -131
ivelostr2 -125
Count Dooku -121
sleepyhead55 -114
A-aron -113
Kal-El -113
cnicholls44 -112
Crocker Jarmen -108
Decker -108
Lord Zarak -107
Super X -102
DaveNinja -88
brainee -83
GhostLee -83
Screwadu -70
Mr. Flix -65
wishbone -63
hasslein -58
07-13-16, 09:41 PM
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14.) Filmmakers with no backbone will often remake movies rather than come up with new ones … What superhero film is most in need of being remade/rebooted?
I'm going to start with an answer that ... well ... I have no idea what it is ...
DaveNinja ... no points.
I'm going to start with an answer that ... well ... I have no idea what it is ...
DaveNinja ... no points.