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Old 08-24-19, 09:54 AM
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

The Garfield series was messed up by the second film. A third would likely not have been better though.
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

Originally Posted by Mike86
The Garfield series was messed up by the second film. A third would likely not have been better though.
The first was just as flawed as the second, just in different ways. (Emo skateboarding Peter? Changing the death of Uncle Ben, leaving out the, "With great power comes great responsibility," line, etc - there was a ton wrong with the first ASM.)

Sony is going to do to Spider-Man what Fox did to The Fantastic Four and then later, to a lesser degree, to the X-Men.
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

Originally Posted by Sonny Corinthos
How did this whole thing come about? Marvel owns Spider-Man, yet Sony owns the movie rights.
Marvel was basically on the verge of bankruptcy in the 90's when they began selling off the movie rights to their characters to anyone that would buy them. The idea of Marvel making their own movies was a long way off. Many of those deals included the rights as long as they kept making movies every so many years. Pretty much all of the other deals besides Spider-man have reverted back to Marvel either through inactivity with the license or because Marvel bought them back (or in the case of Fox, bought the entire studio). Universal still technically owns Hulk (and possibly Namor too), but the terms of that deal allows Marvel to use them as long as they aren't the title character. Marvel can still make those movies with Hulk in the title, but then they have to offer Universal the right to distribute them, and Disney doesn't like to share.

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Originally Posted by Sonny Corinthos
How did this whole thing come about? Marvel owns Spider-Man, yet Sony owns the movie rights.
Because twenty years ago, Marvel was just a publisher (and toy company). They licensed their individual properties out to basically anyone who offered them some money. So Spider-Man ended up with Columbia/Sony, X-Men and Fantastic Four and X-Men at Fox, etc. The nature of these deals seems to be that the studios get to keep control of the film rights as long as they make a movie every seven or so years. (That's why the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie got made; it was made quick and cheap in order to retain the rights with no intent to actually release the movie.) Universal still has the film rights to the Hulk, which seems to stem from the 70s tv show; Marvel apparently signed a really shitty deal with them that gave the film and tv rights to the character in perpetuity.

At the time, this wasn't a huge problem for Marvel because they weren't a production company. They just made comic books (and Toys with their relationship to Toy Biz). Selling the rights to various studios was seen as another source of income, and the movies, even though Marvel had no control over them, were seen as a promotional tool for their comics and toys.

Then, about ten years ago, Marvel started getting into movie production and Disney bought them.
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

Originally Posted by B5Erik
I guess two good movies in a row is as much as they can handle.

Applies to X-Men as well.

X1 - X2
First Class -> DOFP
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Tom Holland and Kevin Feige on Spider-Man's Future After Marvel-Sony Talks Collapse

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and Spider-Man star Tom Holland addressed this week's Sony-Marvel breakup -- which will see the wall-crawler leave the Marvel Cinematic Universe -- in a new interview conducted at Disney's D23 Expo on Saturday.

“Basically, we’ve made five great movies,” Holland said in a chat with Entertainment Weekly. “It’s been five amazing years. I’ve had the time of my life. Who knows what the future holds? But all I know is that I’m going to continue playing Spider-Man and having the time of my life. It’s going to be so fun, however we choose to do it."

Holland added, "The future for Spider-Man will be different, but it will be equally as awesome and amazing, and we’ll find new ways to make it even cooler.”

For his part, Feige said he was "feeling about Spider-Man gratitude and joy."

He added, “We got to make five films within the MCU with Spider-Man: two standalone films and three with the Avengers. It was a dream that I never thought would happen. It was never meant to last forever. We knew there was a finite amount of time that we’d be able to do this, and we told the story we wanted to tell, and I’ll always be thankful for that.”
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I've got to think cooler heads will eventually prevail with this.
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

Originally Posted by TGM
I've got to think cooler heads will eventually prevail with this.
Cooler heads will prevail and it will make this internet nerd outrage look even dumber than it already does.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Cooler heads will prevail and it will make this internet nerd outrage look even dumber than it already does.
I have zero faith that Sony will handle this correctly.
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No idea if that's for real, but
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re: Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021, D: Watts) - S: Tom Holland

Originally Posted by collven
Marvel didn't want Spider-man involved in anything possibly rated R. This allows Sony to not have to tone down those movies and still have Spidey involved.
Yeah but there's a good reason why they didn't. As popular as Spider-Man is with kids can you imagine him being in an R rated movie? It just wouldn't be right. Now with the already toned down Venom they made I can see him fitting in that universe. It would have been nice, in a perfect world, if they could have made a Venom/Spider-Man movie first then branch a solo Venom rater R movie.
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Kevin Feige is so awesome. Such a down to earth guy. His words are always genuine and even though he's in the middle of all this he doesn't seem to be playing the political game.
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This was on ESPN yesterday...

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Did Trump just wag the dog by putting Spidey back in the MCU?

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Originally Posted by DJLinus
Did Trump just wag the dog by putting Spidey back in the MCU?

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Both finally realized they needed each other.
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I can't believe it! Nobody saw that coming!

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'Spider-Man' Shocker: Disney, Sony Striking a Deal for One More Movie
SEPTEMBER 27, 2019 8:05AM by Aaron Couch, Borys Kit

The two studios are once again working together for a film that will bring Tom Holland's superhero back to the big screen.

Spider-Man is back in action. After publicly parting ways over a deal gone south, Disney/Marvel and Sony are back at the table and have struck a deal that would see Marvel produce one more Spider-Man film for Sony.

The new film even has a release date: July 16, 2021.

"I am thrilled that Spidey’s journey in the MCU will continue, and I and all of us at Marvel Studios are very excited that we get to keep working on it,” said Marvel topper Kevin Feige. "Spider-Man is a powerful icon and hero whose story crosses all ages and audiences around the globe. He also happens to be the only hero with the superpower to cross cinematic universes, so as Sony continues to develop their own Spidey-verse you never know what surprises the future might hold.”

In 2015, Marvel and Sony unveiled an unprecedented intra-studio partnership that produced not only two well-regarded and massive hits with Spider-Man: Homecoming and this summer’s Spider-Man: Far From Home, but it also took the character, whose movie rights are owned by Sony, and put him into the Marvel Cinematic Universe where the character became one of its key players.

But the co-parenting deal fell apart not too long after the release of Far From Home, spilling into the open in August.

Terms of the new deal were not revealed but it will allow Marvel and its chief Feige to produce and run creative point on one more movie that would star Tom Holland, the actor who is the current incarnation of the web-slinging superhero.

The partnership between Sony and Marvel has been fruitful at the box office. Homecoming made $880.1 million and featured Marvel character Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), while Spider-Man was a key part of 2018's Avengers: Infinity War and had a small but powerful role in this year's Avengers: Endgame. Both films grossed more than $2 billion, with Endgame standing as the top film of all time, not adjusted for inflation. Far From Home was also a billion dollar player, grossing $1.1 billion and is Sony's highest grossing film ever.

There was plenty of incentive to drive the two sides to return. Shared revenue of box office receipts notwithstanding, the success of Spider-Man also drives other lanes. Sony, for example, has a slate of Spider-Man-centric characters that are in the early stages of getting their own movies, with Venom already a hit and a sequel to start shooting in November. Morbius, another title based on a Marvel character, is in post-production with a release set for 2020. The slate has benefitted from Spider-Man’s popularity. There is also Sony’s Spider-Man video game franchise, which is one of the more popular games currently in circulation.

Marvel, meanwhile, gets to capitalize on merchandizing. But perhaps more importantly, it gets to keep creative control over its most popular character, something it did not have during the years that saw the studio, then run by Amy Pascal, make critically-maligned movies, and thus protect the brand.
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A little more info from Variety:

The new deal was signed late on Thursday night. Negotiations involved top players from both studios, including Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman, Feige, and Walt Disney Studios head Alan Horn. In exchange for lending Feige’s producing prowess, Marvel and Disney will receive roughly 25% of the profits, according to insiders. Disney will retain its merchandising rights. As part of the arrangement, Spider-Man will also appear in one future Marvel Studios film.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/s...nbi7AmVddJccUk
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2021 will be the first time they put out 4 movies in a year. Plus the Disney+ shows. Going to be a big year.
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Merchandising rights from the movies only? Sounds complicated. There is so much Spiderman merchandise out there, the majority of it must come from sources not related to the Disney associated movies.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Merchandising rights from the movies only? Sounds complicated. There is so much Spiderman merchandise out there, the majority of it must come from sources not related to the Disney associated movies.
No, all merchandising.
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That and the mentioned one-more MCU film will put Holland at seven appearances as Spider-Man. That's a good run, though he could easily play the character for another decade.


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