DJariya

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Rotten Tomatoes Score: 15% as of 3/31/22

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/morbius



I was going to see this today at 4pm. But, after all the really bad reviews, it killed my enthusiasm to see it right away. So I cancelled my ticket today. I have some other things I need to do anyways. I may check it out later on.

devilshalo

This is what a sent to dex14 after I first saw it and I needed to rant:



It's a 💩

devilshalo

Basically covers what I ranted about...

The Antipodean

Not a good sign when there’s barely a single post or vote on this thread after the opening weekend…

stingermck

No shit
came in at 39 mil. Not a bomb but not great. Probably a huge drop next weekend

https://deadline.com/2022/04/morbius...ce-1234992429/

This quote stuck out for me here:

https://variety.com/2022/film/box-of...rs-1235222086/
At some point Disney needs to handle Sony before their bullshit movies bring down the Marvel brand. Especially since Marvel has become a generic name for all comic stuff. Like all soda is Coke.

RichC2

It's gonna happen as long as Sony has free reign on the other Spider-verse characters.

Crocker Jarmen

I saw the various trailers for this so many times over the last year and a half, and am I mistaken that there was a shot in the trailer showing the detective and he had a robot arm? I kept waiting for him to lose his arm and get the terminator one, but that never happened. It also seemed weird to put Michael Keaton in all the trailers when he was just in the post-credit scene.

Movie was okay, on the same level as something like The New Mutants which I enjoyed more.

Spiderbite

I saw this movie the other day and it suffered from the worst possible criticism...it was dull. And when I say dull, I mean I had to shake myself awake almost entirely throughout the picture.

There was literally nothing interesting about the film. The CG, action, story, motivation, characters, dialogue, score, attempts at humor...everything was boring. EVERYTHING!

Add a confusing storyline (and the way it is told) to all of that and you have a true stinker.

I am a Jared Leto fan, but he sleepwalked this role but really had nothing to work with on top of that. Just awful. I disliked (near hated) Black Widow and The Eternals and this movie is worse than those.

My rating: * out of *****

B5Erik

I was somewhat excited about this movie when the trailer came out. I love the character, and wanted to see him in a Spider-Man movie. This seemed a decent consolation prize.

Now, I don't even want to watch it. The response has been either, "It's really bad," or, "It's meh - really boring and confusing."

Sony should have sold the rights to the Spider-Verse back to Marvel (a flat fee - maybe $100 Million - plus a percentage, like 5% of the gross for the next 4 or 5 Spider-Man movies). Sony can't get anyhting right on their own. The only reason the current run of Spider-Man movies has been successful is because they've been made by Marvel Studios.

Can't wait for Kraven.

ddrknghtrtns

The franchise is worth more than a 100 million to Sony, when you take into consideration that the characters are also exclusive to the PlayStation.

DJariya

Is this the 1st sorta Marvel/Comic book movie that this forum has barely any interest in?

and really? windom saw this movie and gave it the best review? I don't believe that for a 2nd.

B5Erik

$100 Million, $200 Million, whatever - PLUS 5% of the gross for the next 5 Spider-Man movies. There was a number that would have worked for both parties.

Sony could have made a TON of money - with no risk, and without spending hundreds of millions of dollars on production and promotion of each of the movies. They didn't make money on the last Amazing Spider-Man movie. They're losing money on Morbius. They may have lost money on the 2nd Venom movie. IF they make Kraven they'll most likely lose money on that. And people are mocking them as a studio in the meantime. They'll drive the property into the ground like Fox did in the end. Fant4stick was a huge money loser. X-Men Apocalypse was a money loser. Dark Phoenix was a money loser. Sony's headed down that path for all the movies in this franchise that they produce themselves.

They'd be a lot better off selling the IP back.

devilshalo

No Way Home, by itself, has grossed twice as much as your proposed "magic number". Hell, Venom: Let There Be Carnage made as much as your "magic number".

Morbius when all said and done, will make money or break even. The covid year is a write off and its loss along with its marketing costs are already a part of that FY2020 budget. Across the Spider-verse Pt 1 & 2 will more than make up for Morbius, Kraven and Madame Web.

majorjoe23

If Disney wanted to buy the film rights to Spider-Man back, the cost would would likely dwarf the $4 billion they paid for the entirety of Marvel.

Deftones

$100 million

B5Erik

Morbius won't make money for years, maybe more than a decade. Let There Be Carnage isn't going to make a profit for a while, either.

Remember, a $150 Million dollar movie really costs $300 Million with promotional costs added in, and the studio only gets about half of the gross (the theaters get the other half).

Getting a $200 Million lump sum payment AND a percentage of the gross for the next decade and a half is HUGE passive income with zero risk and zero costs. Even when a blockbuster turns a profit the profit isn't as big as you'd think. The costs for making the movie and promoting it are astronomical.

And my, "Magic number," was just an example. Maybe the real number would be $250 Million or $300 Million - PLUS that percentage of the gross for the next decade and a half.

Or Sony can continue to go down the path that Fox did and run the property into the ground.

IBJoel

Correct. JUST the Spider-Man movies have made over 8 billion dollars. With the spin-offs, nearly 10B. So roughly $5B profit for Sony over 20 years. They also aren't owned by a major telecomm, so that's a relatively bigger figure to them.
AND that's not including inflation/time value of money, home video sales/rentals, and merchandising.

B5Erik

That's not a $5 Billion profit. Sony GROSSED $5 Billion (their share of the box office). At a production/promotion cost of nearly that much. Sure, the latest Spider-Man movie is huge, but the cost to make it and market it was huge. What was the cost to make it? $250 Million? and then another $200-$250 Million to market it?

And for movies that don't make huge money (most of them) they can LOSE huge money. Morbius is a money loser. Big loss. Let There Be Carnage most likely hasn't turned a profit yet.

Kraven's going to lose money. Most of the Spider-Verse spinoffs are going to be money losers.

Don't forget how Fox was riding high on the X-Men movies, and then ran that franchise into the ground. They lost a lot of money on Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, and New Mutants was a huge money pit.

devilshalo

Spider-Man $825,025,036
Spider-Man 2 $788,976,453
Spider-Man 3 $894,983,373
Amazing Spider-Man $757,930,663
Amazing Spider-Man 2 $708,982,323
Spider-Man: Homecoming $880,166,924
Venom $856,085,151
Spider-Man: Far From Home $1,131,927,996
Venom: Let There Be Carnage $502,050,366
Spider-Man: No Way Home $1,890,983,275

Your "magic number" of $300,000,000 + $230,927,789 (5% of 5 films)? I think Sony will be just fine continuing down their path with a few misses along the way.

B5Erik

So, Let there be Carnage netted the studio about $250 Million, on costs of about $325 Million. How's that looking, profit wise? Not so hot. Morbius is going to be a minor disaster when it comes to the amount they lose on it. Kraven's a bomb waiting to happen.

The hits are only the ones produced by Marvel. Sony's own Spider-Man movies were declining noticeably at the box office, despite significant ticket price inflation before Marvel took over the production of those movies (but Sony's still paying for them).

My point is this - passive income, especially when it's massive, is much better than the risk of losing a ton of money on a crapshoot like Morbius or Kraven. Whether it's 5% of 5 movies, 10% of 5 movies, 5% of 10 movies - whatever the deal would be, they could come up with a deal where both sides win.

Sony's Spider-Verse is on the decline outside of the Marvel produced movies. It happened at Fox with the X-Men, and now it's happening at Sony with the Spider-Man tertiary character movies. If they were producing their own Spider-Man movies the property would have been run into the ground by now. Look at how bad the Sony produced Spider-Verse movies have been, and how they're bottoming out at the box office now.

This is a thread about Morbius - a bad movie that is a complete and utter BOMB at the box office. This on the heels of Let There Be Carnage, which underperformed at the box office (compared to the first Venom movie, and considering how popular Carnage is as a villain it should have been bigger than the first). Now they're working on a Kraven movie? Can you imagine the reviews thread for that one? Ugh.

Outside of the Marvel produced Spider-Man movies and the two Jumanji movies Sony's been a trainwreck over the last decade. The level of incompetence at that studio is staggering.

majorjoe23

But when a Spider-Man film is getting them almost 2 billion, they’re not going to care if the spin offs just break even or even lose a little.

ViewAskewbian

I tried, I tried to stay awake for this film but I'd just nod off and wake up thinking I hadn't missed anything. I hadn't.

End credits was interesting until you realize that they are setting up a Sinister 6 film in the SONY-verse.

I'm not a fan of the bait and switch aspect of the trailer here with the Spidey poster and the initial interaction between Vulture and Morbius. I'm gathering No Way Home caused some reshoots to tie things more into that.
Though removing the poster with MURDERER on it is odd when you factor in Vulture telling Morbius he thinks Spiderman is involved. Would Morbius know who that even was?

So, after Kraven, what "villains without Spiderman" films will we get next.

Is Keaton contacted for X-number of films or can he bail on how much they botched this one. I guessssss they could just leave that weird beak mask on Vulture and nobody's the wiser.

Oy!

IBJoel

May want to read read my original post. They grossed 10B. The 5B profit was quick math based on "studios only make back half of the gross after production and distribution costs".

The issues with Fox and the X-Men were due to larger corporate factors, like the studio being sold off mid-production. Morbius will (unfortunately) turn a profit. Venom 2 likely already has considerable profit because of rentals. And again, the film franchise isn't just including box offices. Sony is STILL making money from the original Spider-Man movie, 20 years later.

Likely the only scenario to sell would be that a bunch of executives plan on retiring at the same time and the deal nets them a bigger parachute or Disney offers them an enormous deal with the ability to retain some legacy income, which they're unlikely to do.

Deftones

You are fighting a lost cause with this argument, fyi. He will never concede he is wrong.

B5Erik

But that's just it - it's NOT getting them almost 2 Billion.

Why do people keep assuming that the studio gets the whole box office take? They don't. They get half. (Yes, it's front loaded so they get about 80% of the first week, but, over the entire run of the movie, they end up with about half of the box office total.)

And it cost them at least $400 Million to make and market. That profit of $400 Million isn't going to offset the losses of 4 other movies. Plus they also have to pay Marvel for producing it.