das Monkey

I want to like this show; really, I do. But lifting plots from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and frequently relying on thin time travel logic for every major episode is not making it easy. I fear this show is falling into the same trap as that other one, and it's painful to watch.

das

CaptDS9E

I was going to post some stuff about why it isnt like ST 6, or why most time travel episodes are pretty good but i decided no matter what i or others say people still find stuff to bash any show out there. So ill just give my opinon on the episode

It was a good finale for the first season. The best first season finale for all the treks that came after TOS. To me the best first season of any post TOS trek.

The story was good and it continues plot lines developed since episode 1. So this shouldnt surprise anyone that the finale involved the temp cold war.

I cant wait till next season where hopefully we see more andorians and that the writers continue like they did in the second half of the season where everything that happens in one episode affects the next

capt

Duran

That's not saying a whole lot, if you ask me. I didn't watch this episode, though. I feel a perverted desire to watch Celebrity Boxing instead. I feel so dirty.

das Monkey

That's a real crappy attitude. If you have an opinion, share it. Just because I didn't like it doesn't mean you have to dislike it, and just because people don't love a show you love, doesn't mean they're blindly bashing that show. I'm not going to mock you for liking it, so I'd ask you treat me with the same respect.

Anyway, I'm glad you did share your opinion, and you should continue to do so whether I or others disagree. As far as first seasons go, many of these episodes were pretty well done, but I fear the time travel trap may engulf this show. Time travel is a wonderful concept, but to build the major arc of the show around it scares me, as B&B have shown an inability to treat the subject matter with any real substance. That show before this one continually relied on the same stories to carry weak writing, and I'd rather that not happen again. There are many thinks to look forward to with the initial pieces of this show; but I think they need to get some real writers in there aside from B&B. Unfortunately, many of the great established science fiction writers are fed up with Trek, so they're going to have to find some new blood.

das

Patman

I wish Archer and T'Pol would just do it and get it over with.

Glad Porthos got plenty of screen time.

BlackCapTen

Liked this final episode and I think the series is great. Not a huge Star Trek fan to begin with but the Enterprise series caught my interest.
I enjoy time travel stories but I hope they don't overdo it. At least they didn't zoom back to present day and save the whales (I think that was something to do with the plot of the fourth Star Trek movie).
I liked the ending of this episode as well.

nemein

I'm enjoying the show so far (after Voyager though almost any ST would be good). Personally though I think the only good use of time travel would be to go back and beat up the person who introduced time travel to the ST universe Atleast this ship doesn't have a holodeck to be used as a plot device in 1/2 the eps

Scorpio

I'm surprised that so many here sem to dislike this show. I absolutely love it.

madcougar

I really enjoyed this show when it debuted last fall. Lately, I felt it was falling into some of the same ruts as its predecesors.

However, I think the season finale was great. I can't wait for next season to start.

cooper2000

This show is Tribble poo poo and B and B are the furry butts that lays it every week.

I usually don't use language like this but i just cant hold back anymore.
I want to watch Good Science Fiction. I want a good Trek show written by people who know how to write.

Same ol' contrived plots. Oh, how many times are they going to parade around in their underwear to get the Ratings up?

If this keeps up they are going to have to bring The EMH from Voyager, Back from the future, to stop the Ferengi who werent really seen anyway, to spruce up the ratings.
Guest Starring Robert Picardo and Special Cameo from Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan as ....7 of 9.

I am going to go watch my Farscape DVDs I got from Brittan and get the bad taste out of my mouth.

Snake Plissken

I really like this show because I like the crew! Trip is by far the coolest damn character. He reminds me of Han Solo. T'Pol and Crewman Cutler are hot as well.

MvRojo

Did you even watch the season finale or are you just commenting for the heck of it?

Tonight's episode was pretty damn good and one of the best cliffhangers since DS9. The shot of a decimated Earth in the 31st century was awesome and shocking because nothing like that was expected.

Patman

Why does Tripp talk so much louder than the rest of the crew?

Llama

Normally, I think nitpicking is very small. But it jumped out at me:

I understand that Archer was friendly with Trip before they went on board. But he treats him more like a first officer than an Engineer. If I were Malcolm, I'd be pissed.

But it's really a slap in Malcolm's face that when Archer decided to surrender and leave the ship, he looked to T'Pol, with Malcolm on the bridge! Isn't that his job?

das Monkey

I think they're trying to force the Kirk, Spock, McCoy trio onto Archer, N'Pol, Tripp.

das

Patman

Malcolm too concerned about chasing tail and rigging stuff to blow other stuff up, than to be concerned about chain of command.

Red Dog

I always thought the chain of command was Archer-T'Pol-Tripp. Tripp is definitely 2nd officer - he has 3 bars on his collar.

Mark Holtz

I wish they would lay off the temporal mechanics stuff.... it's killing Trek.

Although I wished Archer said, as a closing line in last nights episode: "Ho boy."

CharlesC

Well I thought that sucked. I hate time travel though. It just makes no sense. There can't be any drama because they can always go back and prevent things from happening. For instance, why did 'time travel representitive #2' put Archer back on Enterprise AFTER they killed all the colonists? Why not but him back BEFORE so the people didn't have to die? Especially since it "wasn't supposed to happen"!

Anyways the end did catch me a bit by surprise. But then I got to thinking. Even if it does take 5 or 10 years to build a new time machine they can just go back in time and prevent the whole situation again.

Another thing that pissed me off: Archer starts asking time travel questions that the audience is thinking and instead of trying to explain the time travel dude just says, "I've had this conversation dozens of times..." AND?!?! Thats it?!?! Sorry, but I think if you are going to do something like time travel you either establish firm rules (even if they make no sense) or you don't try to explain anything. Don't go halfway, it makes me feel cheated. I feel kind of like the chick in Misery. "Misery is dead! You can't just magically make her alive you cheater! She's dead!"

--Charles <-- off to break some ankles.

das Monkey

Like I said, B&B rely on flimsy time travel logic. Time travel as a concept can be very interesting, but if you treat it lightly, it becomes silly in my mind.

das

nemein

Agreed, you know probably by the end of this they'll be right back there in the pod going down to meet the colonists. Personally, thinking about it in terms of the ST time line, this would have been a great opportunity to start exploring the genesis of the Prime Directive. Of course that would probably turn it more into a drama, take away from the action, and not allow you to bring back the Suliban (the worst ST race ever introduced IMHO).

TK-421

When Archer was back in his room before Enterprise launched, did anyone else think "Sam is being sent back in time to put right what once went wrong?"

BT

YES! I swear, everytime they time travel I'm gonna be having Quantum Leap flashbacks !! The first time it happened in the finale when he woke up 10 mos. earlier I was looking for Dean Stockwell to appear and explain that he had jumped into the body of a Starship Captain in the 25th century...

Still I liked that episode a lot and even though the whole time travel and Temporal Cold War thing is a bit far fetched I find it more interesting than most of the story lines.

I think that Porthos is starting to get almost as much screen time as the rest of the crew.

-BT

latenight

Another sleeper. Star Trek simply needs a change, a complete overhaul. Can the time travel, try some story arcs that take place over several episodes. Stop with the 60 min solutions to everything. I'm trying not to be completly negative, I think this cast is the best since TOS (or at least has the chance to be) but there needs to be some fresh stories. Maybe I am just tired of ST Maybe one series after another is just too much. Maybe the people that produce ST are tired of it as well.

MvRojo

Malcolm is only the tactical officer and he's only a Lt. On the other hand, Trip is a Lt. Commander.

Matt