guywall

I though tit was a great episode. it always amazes me how they will reveal a ton of stuff in one epsiode, yet still have enough stuff to continue to make us want more.

So, I'm thinking there is a missing tube with baby Syd. That has to come out sooner or later. Maybe in season 10, we'll have baby v. Syd. Throw Syd's mom into it, we could have a three generation fight!
Who knows with this show!

QuikSilver

One of the best episodes I've seen!

movieking

I loved the episode right up until it was revealed that Lauren is bad (if she is...who the hell knows anymore). I thought that it was great that Syd actually chose to have her memory erased. I also loved that she was working with Kendall for most of the two years, and working against the Covenant.

Jericho

I was just Glad to see Kendall back. It was also good to get some answers. Some of the fun is not knowing and getting teased, but eventually who want to know where they're going.

Re: McKenas Cole, I believe he was alive when the CIA took him, so it could easily be the same character. Obviously he knows who Syd is, but he's part of the group that wanted Syd to believe she was Julia Thorne.

Side question: I always wondered how QT became involved in Alias. I know Lawrence Bender produces his films and Jack Bender directs many of the episodes of Alias. I wonder if there is a connection? QT was maybe the first big special guest star on Alias, just seemed like an odd thing for him to do.

PapaWheelie

Yup, defintely glad to see Kendall back in the mix. He's SO MUCH better than that jackass Robert Lindsey, who was just an annoyance IMO (glad he's dead btw).

mdc3000

A supremely kick ass episode... and the return of QT is super sweet. Alias continues to rule!

MATT

Jeremy517

You're not alone. I felt rather disappointed afterwards.

Sydney asking for her memory to be replaced was stupid and out of character. If she didn't want anyone to get the box, she could have just destroyed it. If she wanted to be the only person with access, there are a lot better ways than erasing her own memory. Erasing her memory just opened her up to being deceived, as was proven.

And does anyone else think that making Lauren the double agent was just taking the easy way out? I liked it that they went against the norm and had Vaughn and Sydney's relationship end the hard way, and with them not being together. Now they took the easy way out and gave themselves a chance to put the two of them back together. Lame.

Rogue588

exactly.

w00t w00t I'm not alone...I'm not alone w00t w00t

JM

I didn't care for it either. In fact, as I watching it, it crossed my mind that this will end up being remembered as the episode where Alias "jumped the shark." There were just too many holes and inconsistencies with the story.

1) How did no one at Sydney's "funeral" take notice of the van from which Sydney watched as a captive? They appeared to be in a fairly secluded area, so why would it be there if it didn't belong to an attendee? At first I thought they would explain this by showing Weiss get into the van, thus, confirming the theory of some that he is bad. They may yet do so I guess. Assuming they don't, I just don't buy it.

2) How did the Covenant retrieve Lazeray's hand from the collapsed cave, much less in fairly good shape? Moreover, why bother?

3) Given what we know about Syndey's character and persistence, I find it inconsistent that she would give up on Vaughn so easily after merely seeing him kiss Lauren and then choose to live a solitary life as Julia for another year or so.

4) Why would she choose to bury the DNA and wipe her memory when all she had to do was burn/eat/flush/otherwise destroy the DNA? It makes no sense whatsoever except as providing a convenient excuse for the choice to wipe her memory.

There are other things like that in the episode, too. It seems as though the writers just wanted an easy way to get rid of the current storyline and move to something else. It doesn't hold up IMO, even with some suspension of disbelief.

PapaWheelie

You brought up some really good points. Can't answer all of this four part quiz though, so i'll just aim for half credit...

I thought the area they were in looked pretty public. Looked like they were at the beach and the van was parked in a public parking lot.



Who said Syd's given up on Vaughn? She probably realized that falling back into her old life, contacting everyone she cares about would just put them at risk, as Kendall said. It's not like she could've went up and drop kicked Lauren for kissing Vaughn. Still appears as if that "spark" is still there between them though.



Sorry... only have possible answers for the easy questions. Anyone else wanna take a crack at q's 2 and 4?

B.A.

JM - you bring up a good point in regards to Lazarey's hand. I didn't forget that they found the hand after the fact, it just didn't hit me that his hand was probably stuck in the cave when it collopsed.

Meteu185

I can nail Q1 a little more: The van to me looked like somewhat of a hippy van, not exactly a Dodge Caravan or something. In Southern California, wouldn't it be fairly ordinary to see a lone van parked at the edge of the sand if it was a surfer's car?

Meteu185

Wasn't the hand stuck inside of the vault? I would assume that if the vault had been sitting there for 300+ years then it was built pretty well, so the hand could've made it through the collapse of the cave.

ctyankee

Agreed.

Look, we like the show but c'mon ...

Sidney stays with the Covenant rather than put her former partners at risk from the oh so scary Covenant ... hello .. seems to me her partners are being shot at every week so what's the difference? If the Covenant is so strong that she better not leave then what exactly got her to leave? Seems like they used that excuse (lame as it is) to keep her out of circulation for another year and a half (plus 6 months of mind control stuff) and then the whole reason to stay away gets tossed aside (hoping we wouldn't notice).

As someone mentioned, this changing someone's DNA is one thing (possibly) but inserting DNA into someone - is this a spy show or science fiction?

If you thought your eggs were on a table in front of you - would you

a. Flame them.
b. Take them the hell back so they can be re-inserted

If you had some amazing secret cube too valuable to give or trust to anyone ... ever ... would you:

a. return it to the Hellraiser props area
b. paint it back blue and return it to David Lynch
c. water your plants with that liquid
d. go on a modified "wayback" machine and have them strip the last 2 years of your life (they are getting so accurate these days) and leave this oh so important and secret cube in the hotel's safe. After all, it would take someone months to Tivo into that security .. let alone we all know that hotels keep personal objects in their safes and don't bill you or get rid of it eventually ... right?
e. Instead of painting the ring dark brown, putting clay around it and then poring molten iron around it and hiding it underneath some rubble, you head instead for the fires of Mt. Doom ...

Hey, suspension of disbelief is part of the game. For example, this Rinaldi device can talk with God? No problem, just don't have the characters do things that are out of character or illogical.

I think the writers found themselves in a jam and decided to push a lot of stuff at us at once - hoping we wouldn't notice in all the confusion. Guess again.

On a positive note. After we have swallowed this very ugly pill, perhaps they can now move on with a righted ship. Here's hoping.

Rogue588

Quote:

Originally posted by ctyankee
If you thought your eggs were on a table in front of you - would you

a. Flame them.
b. Take them the hell back so they can be re-inserted

Lemme take a shot at the first q:

After getting over the inital shock that a male could produce eggs...I'd go with:

c. destroy the vials with my eggs while preserving the equipment behind 'em to see exactly how far along the Covenant had gotten before I went all John Rambo on the place with the flamethrower.

But, I assume the "shock" of the Covenant actually succeeding with the experiment will be a future moment like the Lauren reveal was supposed to be...

DVD Josh

To answer those that think Syndey's purposeful erasure of her own memory was out of character, I disagree. Clearly, something happened between her finding Rambaldi's box and the video to Kendall. It was enough to make her do what she did. Also, I doubt that the show would just tie everything up so nice and neat anyway. It's a diversion: fans won't realize until later the "who" erased Syd's memory question was answered, but not the "why".

It's in Syd's nature to be a protector. Clearly, it would be in her character to sacrifice herself to protect others. That's why she erased her memory. As such, I think it's within her character.

Just my thoughts on this. I really liked this episode. This show gets better and better.

kantonburg

Here is my stab at what may be going on. I don't read the spoiler boards so if has been brought up, sorry.



What does have to do with the story. I don't know but it's my hunch.

MrGoat00

did i miss something or was mr. jack bristow nowhere to be seen?

SiberianLlama

You're right, Jack was nowhere to be seen. And you'd think in the episode where you finally find out about Sydney's past and what the Rimbaldi DNA was going to be used for Sloan would have popped up somewhere as well.

Venusian

didn't read the thread so i'm not sure if this is addressed...


if the DSR guy knew where syd had been for the last two year and dixon did too, why did they let that guy try to do those dangerous experiments on her? why not just tell?

B.A.

Nobody knew about that but her dad and Vaughn. At least I think Vaughn was w/ them.

Mordred

Gave themselves a chance? That's exactly what they'll do. I was actually really impressed that the show had given us a decent twist and Lauren wasn't a badguy(girl). In fact on Saturday I was watching an Alias rerun I'd TiVo'd but hadn't seen before (the day my TiVo died!) and had just remarked to my wife how nice it was that Lauren was a decent person and Vaughan and Syd wouldn't be hooking up again and... now I feel really stupid.

I could have come up with that twist.

Mordred

Mysteryfan

Didn't Sloan suggest to Lauren that he had something on her? Could he be blackmailing her to help him and Sark (who I think is still working for Sloan)?

Jeremy517

Yeah I know. I was trying to be nice

Meteu185

Oh wow, I think you're right... Wasn't it when she went to see him in Switzerland or wherever the hell he is?