Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Maybe I'll try selectively watching. I tried watching season one of The Clone Wars and most of it was such a boring slog that I gave up. So does Rebels take place after The Clone Wars show, or during it or something? (I've never seen that show)
#427
Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
After. And 5 years before ANH.
#428
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I get that it’s easy to do, but judging the show based off its first season really isn’t a good way to measure it’s quality. It gets significantly better as it goes on. I think towards the end of season one is where I had a good feel for it, and then pretty much from season two onwards I’ve loved it.
I also feel like selectively watching won’t be the most beneficial. There are on-going story and character arcs that build throughout the show.
I also feel like selectively watching won’t be the most beneficial. There are on-going story and character arcs that build throughout the show.
#429
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
For the old TV model, shows often got running at all gears likely in their 2nd or 3rd season, after they figured stuff out. Other times they might be spinning their wheels a bit in later seasons. I skipped episodes for Seasons 1 & 2 of Star Trek The Next Generation on a rewatch, but on the other hand LOST season 1 is pretty much the strongest season that show ever had, and season 2 and 3 definitely had some filler, wheel spinning going on.
For modern serialized binge shows, sometimes the best season is the first season. Orphan Black, Stranger Things, The Mandalorian, etc. Not to say that later seasons were terrible, but if you're not enjoying the first seasons of those shows, there's no reason to think you'll enjoy later ones.
I skipped out on The Clone Wars when it first came out because the movie was terrible, according to reviews, and the initial episodes weren't getting that favorable reviews either. I'm only going back to it now because I've now heard it gets better, it's all out and done so I can watch the whole thing, and I've seen Dave Filoni's work on The Mandalorian and want to see his previous Star Wars contributions.
It can be a question of "how much time do I want to invest in this show I'm not currently enjoying?" If you're watching as it's airing, there's no reason to stick it out to see if it gets better. You can always return after the fact. And if it's a show that starts out a bit rubbish but gets better, maybe there's a way to skip the rubbish while still experience the best the show has to offer, and follow the overall arc.
Mike86, I posted my Clone Wars viewing list for season 1. Are they any episodes that I'm skipping that you think will harm my ability to enjoy the on-going story and character arcs that build throughout the show?
#430
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I would say going off your list you probably have the most essential episodes selected from what I remember. It’s been a bit since I watched season one. Just I feel like you get a good feel for the characters and their relationships. Especially going through the show in order. Seems like it must have been a case where the network jumbled up the order when they aired them.
#431
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
From a 2008 interview:
https://theforce.net/jedicouncil/int...davefiloni.asp
TFN: Asking on behalf of all Star Wars timeline enthusiasts everywhere - How do you see the Clone Wars cartoon: as more an anthology of events that happened during the war, or as a chronologically designated sequence? In particular, do the episodes air in chronological order, or rather in a more loosely defined order that allows for chronological shuffling as necessary.
Henry: I advise you timeline fans to just watch and enjoy the episodes as they come on and try not to stress too much about the chronology. Otherwise you will be driven to glazy eyed, drool induced madness! Seriously, to answer the question, let’s just say that George is keeping alive his storytelling methods of ‘prequels’ and ‘sequels’ within the series. So get out your calculators and bar graphs and time machines, you’re gonna need ‘em!
Dave: The episodes do not air chronologically, but I have plans to help timeline enthusiasts understand the chronology as I know it is important to you guys
Henry: I advise you timeline fans to just watch and enjoy the episodes as they come on and try not to stress too much about the chronology. Otherwise you will be driven to glazy eyed, drool induced madness! Seriously, to answer the question, let’s just say that George is keeping alive his storytelling methods of ‘prequels’ and ‘sequels’ within the series. So get out your calculators and bar graphs and time machines, you’re gonna need ‘em!
Dave: The episodes do not air chronologically, but I have plans to help timeline enthusiasts understand the chronology as I know it is important to you guys
#432
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Hmm, interesting I’ve never read that. I just kind of figured because that’s something that happens occasionally with shows. That’s kind of odd then, because there are definitely episodes that line up with each other that have large gaps between. I prefer the chronological order just because it seems to make sense to watch the show that way.
#433
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#434
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I stuck with both shows far longer than I'd like to admit. But both work better if you only watch the highly-rated episodes. There are many filler episodes in both not worth a single watch unless you are a Star Wars obsessive.
#435
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Either I’m an obsessive fan or I have a different idea on filler episodes. There are some that are filler, and definitely some clunkers, but by and large there are a lot more good episodes than bad.
Truthfully some of my favorite episodes are the ones that are more side stories not focused on the main characters.
For instance there’s an arc with some younglings on their quest to gather their crystals to build their lightsabers. It’s a few episodes and I found it to be a really enjoyable set of episodes with some surprisingly likable kid characters.
There are also a lot of episodes dedicated to the Clones, which makes you realize that they’re more than just mindless drones. They actually have personalities and are interesting characters.
You also get quite a few episodes that are from the perspective of the antagonists, which can be interesting. A characters like Asajj Ventress for instance winds up really interesting. Maul comes back and is awesome. You get a lot more of characters who were underrepresented in the films like Dooku and Grievous.
There’s a lot to soak up and a lot of good lore building in the show. Maybe it is the fanboy in me, but I’ve enjoyed way more than I haven’t.
Truthfully some of my favorite episodes are the ones that are more side stories not focused on the main characters.
For instance there’s an arc with some younglings on their quest to gather their crystals to build their lightsabers. It’s a few episodes and I found it to be a really enjoyable set of episodes with some surprisingly likable kid characters.
There are also a lot of episodes dedicated to the Clones, which makes you realize that they’re more than just mindless drones. They actually have personalities and are interesting characters.
You also get quite a few episodes that are from the perspective of the antagonists, which can be interesting. A characters like Asajj Ventress for instance winds up really interesting. Maul comes back and is awesome. You get a lot more of characters who were underrepresented in the films like Dooku and Grievous.
There’s a lot to soak up and a lot of good lore building in the show. Maybe it is the fanboy in me, but I’ve enjoyed way more than I haven’t.
#436
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Having watched shows like ST:TNG, which is like 90% standalone "filler" episodes, I'm fine with watching stories that aren't essential to the overall arc. Also, being a Doctor Who fan and having just watched and enjoyed the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special, I don't necessarily mind the more silly aspects of a show, so, say, "space whales" aren't going to necessarily bother me.
I'm mostly through my first season list, I just have the last 4 episodes to watch. I will say that the Malevolence arc, which were the first episodes I watched, weren't "bad," but they weren't particularly compelling either. They felt a little padded out, especially the second episode, and I think may have worked better if they had been a single story trimmed down in bits. The show started out a bit more violent and darker than I expected, what with watching clones getting cut out of escape pods, ejected into space and suffocating, right in the first episode. It also didn't help that the people in jeopardy, the Jedi and the clones, were characters unfamiliar with me. If Obi-Wan had been stuck in the pod, it might've heightened the tension. For the second episode, there was a lot of people standing around and going "are we/they there yet?" The third episode was a lot better balanced in pacing and tension.
"Rookies", "The Hidden Enemy" and "Trespass" all seem, at this point at least, standalone episodes. I think Trespass works best as a standalone. I appreciated Rookies and The Hidden Enemy for illustrating how the clones each have their own personalities and lives, but their storylines were sort of bog standard war stories. A "spy among us" story tends to work best when you actually know/care about the people being accused of being a spy, and I think all the accused clones were new to this particular tale.
Cloak of Darkness and Lair of Grievous was presented as an "arc" in the episode guide I used, but they're really only tangentially related. I did enjoy them for fleshing out some of the villains though.
#437
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Trespass is one of my favorite episodes in season one and a strong episode of the show in general if you ask me.
I don’t think the first season is even that bad necessarily. It just may take time to get used to, and in my opinion the animation is a bit off. My girlfriend described the animation at first as looking like a cutscene from a video game, which I sort of agree with.
It’s a show that you can tell just takes a bit to find it’s groove. Anakin is made into a way more interesting character ultimately. Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars now. Plus you get more from some of the underdeveloped Jedi Council members as well as Sith characters.
I don’t think the first season is even that bad necessarily. It just may take time to get used to, and in my opinion the animation is a bit off. My girlfriend described the animation at first as looking like a cutscene from a video game, which I sort of agree with.
It’s a show that you can tell just takes a bit to find it’s groove. Anakin is made into a way more interesting character ultimately. Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars now. Plus you get more from some of the underdeveloped Jedi Council members as well as Sith characters.
#439
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
This show is so good. In the sixth season now and everything is falling into place for what ultimately happens in Revenge of the Sith.
Spoiler:
#440
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Yeah, I think one of the strengths of the show is that when watching the earlier seasons it's easy sometimes not to think about where the story ultimately has to end up. Then you get toward the end and you know what's coming but it's still interesting to see the tragedy play out from a different point of view.
#441
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I'm further behind, still on season 2. For some reason, last week I didn't feel like watching a show about a civil war, and instead wanted to watch Nicholas Cage swear repeatedly instead.
I'm about halfway through season 2:
I'm about halfway through season 2:
Spoiler:
#442
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Yeah, I think one of the strengths of the show is that when watching the earlier seasons it's easy sometimes not to think about where the story ultimately has to end up. Then you get toward the end and you know what's coming but it's still interesting to see the tragedy play out from a different point of view.
They’re not just mindless drones. They’ve got unique personalities and are interesting in their own ways. So when things happen to them you care.
In the prequels I could have absolutely cared less about the Clones, because they really don’t do much of anything aside from their involvement in Order 66.
#443
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
It would be really great if Lucasfilm and Disney+ would go back and make more of the planned Clone Wars storylines that were left unmade, like Son of Dathomir and Dark Disciple.
Most of these would probably make good 60-90 minute standalone movies.
https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-clone-wars-arcs-canceled/
Most of these would probably make good 60-90 minute standalone movies.
https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-clone-wars-arcs-canceled/
#444
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
My girlfriend and I have really been saving up these last handful of episodes. We’re getting to the end of season six. Watched the first couple of Yoda centric episodes where he’s learning how to retain his individuality after becoming one with the Force. Pretty cool episodes. We still have to watch the third episode in the arc. Really love this show.
#445
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I've watched about 10 or 12 episodes and it's a bit too much for the kids for me. I think I prefer live action. I have fallen asleep multiple times watching this, but maybe I'm just tired. I'll keep trying I guess for now.
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I watched all the Ahsoka centered episodes first, then I went back and started watching season 1. The final season wasn't bad, but season one can put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.
I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
#448
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
I watched all the Ahsoka centered episodes first, then I went back and started watching season 1. The final season wasn't bad, but season one can put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.
I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
#449
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread
Anakin in the animated series looks nothing like Hayden Christensen, and now I see a photo of Jake Lloyd as an adult and wonder if the character was modeled after him as a tribute? Would be cool if true.
#450
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I just started season 4.
Spoiler: