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Old 01-02-21, 11:07 AM
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

Maybe I'll try selectively watching. I tried watching season one of The Clone Wars and most of it was such a boring slog that I gave up. So does Rebels take place after The Clone Wars show, or during it or something? (I've never seen that show)
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by cultshock
Maybe I'll try selectively watching. I tried watching season one of The Clone Wars and most of it was such a boring slog that I gave up. So does Rebels take place after The Clone Wars show, or during it or something? (I've never seen that show)
After. And 5 years before ANH.
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I get that it’s easy to do, but judging the show based off its first season really isn’t a good way to measure it’s quality. It gets significantly better as it goes on. I think towards the end of season one is where I had a good feel for it, and then pretty much from season two onwards I’ve loved it.

I also feel like selectively watching won’t be the most beneficial. There are on-going story and character arcs that build throughout the show.
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I get that it’s easy to do, but judging the show based off its first season really isn’t a good way to measure it’s quality...
In general, it can vary, but if you're not liking a show in its first season, unless there's people online saying it gets better, it just may not be a show for you.

For the old TV model, shows often got running at all gears likely in their 2nd or 3rd season, after they figured stuff out. Other times they might be spinning their wheels a bit in later seasons. I skipped episodes for Seasons 1 & 2 of Star Trek The Next Generation on a rewatch, but on the other hand LOST season 1 is pretty much the strongest season that show ever had, and season 2 and 3 definitely had some filler, wheel spinning going on.

For modern serialized binge shows, sometimes the best season is the first season. Orphan Black, Stranger Things, The Mandalorian, etc. Not to say that later seasons were terrible, but if you're not enjoying the first seasons of those shows, there's no reason to think you'll enjoy later ones.

I skipped out on The Clone Wars when it first came out because the movie was terrible, according to reviews, and the initial episodes weren't getting that favorable reviews either. I'm only going back to it now because I've now heard it gets better, it's all out and done so I can watch the whole thing, and I've seen Dave Filoni's work on The Mandalorian and want to see his previous Star Wars contributions.

It can be a question of "how much time do I want to invest in this show I'm not currently enjoying?" If you're watching as it's airing, there's no reason to stick it out to see if it gets better. You can always return after the fact. And if it's a show that starts out a bit rubbish but gets better, maybe there's a way to skip the rubbish while still experience the best the show has to offer, and follow the overall arc.

Mike86, I posted my Clone Wars viewing list for season 1. Are they any episodes that I'm skipping that you think will harm my ability to enjoy the on-going story and character arcs that build throughout the show?
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I would say going off your list you probably have the most essential episodes selected from what I remember. It’s been a bit since I watched season one. Just I feel like you get a good feel for the characters and their relationships. Especially going through the show in order. Seems like it must have been a case where the network jumbled up the order when they aired them.
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Originally Posted by Mike86
Seems like it must have been a case where the network jumbled up the order when they aired them.
The network didn't jumble the order; that's the way they produced the episodes.

From a 2008 interview:
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TFN: Asking on behalf of all Star Wars timeline enthusiasts everywhere - How do you see the Clone Wars cartoon: as more an anthology of events that happened during the war, or as a chronologically designated sequence? In particular, do the episodes air in chronological order, or rather in a more loosely defined order that allows for chronological shuffling as necessary.

Henry: I advise you timeline fans to just watch and enjoy the episodes as they come on and try not to stress too much about the chronology. Otherwise you will be driven to glazy eyed, drool induced madness! Seriously, to answer the question, let’s just say that George is keeping alive his storytelling methods of ‘prequels’ and ‘sequels’ within the series. So get out your calculators and bar graphs and time machines, you’re gonna need ‘em!

Dave: The episodes do not air chronologically, but I have plans to help timeline enthusiasts understand the chronology as I know it is important to you guys

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Hmm, interesting I’ve never read that. I just kind of figured because that’s something that happens occasionally with shows. That’s kind of odd then, because there are definitely episodes that line up with each other that have large gaps between. I prefer the chronological order just because it seems to make sense to watch the show that way.
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

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"The Call" is a must watch? A full episode about Space Whales is where I tapped out on the series.
They might have it listed as a "must watch" because the space whales play a significant role in a later episode.
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by cultshock
Maybe I'll try selectively watching. I tried watching season one of The Clone Wars and most of it was such a boring slog that I gave up. So does Rebels take place after The Clone Wars show, or during it or something? (I've never seen that show)
I stuck with both shows far longer than I'd like to admit. But both work better if you only watch the highly-rated episodes. There are many filler episodes in both not worth a single watch unless you are a Star Wars obsessive.
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Either I’m an obsessive fan or I have a different idea on filler episodes. There are some that are filler, and definitely some clunkers, but by and large there are a lot more good episodes than bad.

Truthfully some of my favorite episodes are the ones that are more side stories not focused on the main characters.

For instance there’s an arc with some younglings on their quest to gather their crystals to build their lightsabers. It’s a few episodes and I found it to be a really enjoyable set of episodes with some surprisingly likable kid characters.

There are also a lot of episodes dedicated to the Clones, which makes you realize that they’re more than just mindless drones. They actually have personalities and are interesting characters.

You also get quite a few episodes that are from the perspective of the antagonists, which can be interesting. A characters like Asajj Ventress for instance winds up really interesting. Maul comes back and is awesome. You get a lot more of characters who were underrepresented in the films like Dooku and Grievous.

There’s a lot to soak up and a lot of good lore building in the show. Maybe it is the fanboy in me, but I’ve enjoyed way more than I haven’t.
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Originally Posted by Mike86
Either I’m an obsessive fan or I have a different idea on filler episodes. There are some that are filler, and definitely some clunkers, but by and large there are a lot more good episodes than bad.
Yeah, to reiterate, my particular goal isn't to avoid "filler," just bad episodes, and really just the bad episodes at the beginning before I get into the show. The only exception was if there's a episode that's bad but "essential," then I may watch that one anyway.

Having watched shows like ST:TNG, which is like 90% standalone "filler" episodes, I'm fine with watching stories that aren't essential to the overall arc. Also, being a Doctor Who fan and having just watched and enjoyed the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special, I don't necessarily mind the more silly aspects of a show, so, say, "space whales" aren't going to necessarily bother me.

I'm mostly through my first season list, I just have the last 4 episodes to watch. I will say that the Malevolence arc, which were the first episodes I watched, weren't "bad," but they weren't particularly compelling either. They felt a little padded out, especially the second episode, and I think may have worked better if they had been a single story trimmed down in bits. The show started out a bit more violent and darker than I expected, what with watching clones getting cut out of escape pods, ejected into space and suffocating, right in the first episode. It also didn't help that the people in jeopardy, the Jedi and the clones, were characters unfamiliar with me. If Obi-Wan had been stuck in the pod, it might've heightened the tension. For the second episode, there was a lot of people standing around and going "are we/they there yet?" The third episode was a lot better balanced in pacing and tension.

"Rookies", "The Hidden Enemy" and "Trespass" all seem, at this point at least, standalone episodes. I think Trespass works best as a standalone. I appreciated Rookies and The Hidden Enemy for illustrating how the clones each have their own personalities and lives, but their storylines were sort of bog standard war stories. A "spy among us" story tends to work best when you actually know/care about the people being accused of being a spy, and I think all the accused clones were new to this particular tale.

Cloak of Darkness and Lair of Grievous was presented as an "arc" in the episode guide I used, but they're really only tangentially related. I did enjoy them for fleshing out some of the villains though.

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Trespass is one of my favorite episodes in season one and a strong episode of the show in general if you ask me.

I don’t think the first season is even that bad necessarily. It just may take time to get used to, and in my opinion the animation is a bit off. My girlfriend described the animation at first as looking like a cutscene from a video game, which I sort of agree with.

It’s a show that you can tell just takes a bit to find it’s groove. Anakin is made into a way more interesting character ultimately. Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars now. Plus you get more from some of the underdeveloped Jedi Council members as well as Sith characters.
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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

All you need to know about space whales is that
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they can jump into hyperspace on their own.
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This show is so good. In the sixth season now and everything is falling into place for what ultimately happens in Revenge of the Sith.

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Tup’s inhibitor chip malfunctioning early and the subsequent episodes with Fives were great. Fives was a great character. Obviously it’s how the story goes, but if he could have just gotten someone to listen to him without sounding crazy Order 66 could have been prevented.
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Yeah, I think one of the strengths of the show is that when watching the earlier seasons it's easy sometimes not to think about where the story ultimately has to end up. Then you get toward the end and you know what's coming but it's still interesting to see the tragedy play out from a different point of view.
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I'm further behind, still on season 2. For some reason, last week I didn't feel like watching a show about a civil war, and instead wanted to watch Nicholas Cage swear repeatedly instead.

I'm about halfway through season 2:
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The Cad Bane arc was interesting, although aside from focused around the same character, the season 1 finale seemed separate from the 3 episode season 2 opener. It's funny though that the implication is Palpatine witnessed Cad outplay everyone, and decided to hire him on for his own nefarious plots.

The Genosis arc was good, the longest arc so far, and delves into horror tropes at the end. There was a funny bit at the beginning where Ki-Adi-Mundi, before the landing, says he doesn't believe in luck, and then just a few minutes later after the crash says to a trooper "with any luck..." Boy, I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

I finished The Deserter last night, and this was the first episode that focused on Rex as an individual. I've heard he's one of the clones to get some major development as the series goes on.




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Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars -- CGI animated series -- Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Cellar Door
Yeah, I think one of the strengths of the show is that when watching the earlier seasons it's easy sometimes not to think about where the story ultimately has to end up. Then you get toward the end and you know what's coming but it's still interesting to see the tragedy play out from a different point of view.
One of the show’s big strengths is how well written the characters are, and the fact that it makes you care about the Clones.

They’re not just mindless drones. They’ve got unique personalities and are interesting in their own ways. So when things happen to them you care.

In the prequels I could have absolutely cared less about the Clones, because they really don’t do much of anything aside from their involvement in Order 66.

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It would be really great if Lucasfilm and Disney+ would go back and make more of the planned Clone Wars storylines that were left unmade, like Son of Dathomir and Dark Disciple.

Most of these would probably make good 60-90 minute standalone movies.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-clone-wars-arcs-canceled/
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My girlfriend and I have really been saving up these last handful of episodes. We’re getting to the end of season six. Watched the first couple of Yoda centric episodes where he’s learning how to retain his individuality after becoming one with the Force. Pretty cool episodes. We still have to watch the third episode in the arc. Really love this show.
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I've watched about 10 or 12 episodes and it's a bit too much for the kids for me. I think I prefer live action. I have fallen asleep multiple times watching this, but maybe I'm just tired. I'll keep trying I guess for now.
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I've watched about 10 or 12 episodes and it's a bit too much for the kids for me. I think I prefer live action. I have fallen asleep multiple times watching this, but maybe I'm just tired. I'll keep trying I guess for now.
Are you in season one then it sounds like?
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Are you in season one then it sounds like?
I watched all the Ahsoka centered episodes first, then I went back and started watching season 1. The final season wasn't bad, but season one can put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.

I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
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I watched all the Ahsoka centered episodes first, then I went back and started watching season 1. The final season wasn't bad, but season one can put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.

I just watched an episode that was R2 centered and the other droid was a spy I guess. Slept about 15 min through that and still got what happened in the episode for the most part.
The first season is rocky. Once it gets going it gets really good though. Just takes time though.
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Anakin in the animated series looks nothing like Hayden Christensen, and now I see a photo of Jake Lloyd as an adult and wonder if the character was modeled after him as a tribute? Would be cool if true.
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I just started season 4.
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Finishing up season 2, the Mandalore arc was interesting, especially in context of having seen The Mandalorean first.The Zillo Beast episodes were entertaining, played more like a movie and its sequel than a 2-part story. And young Boba Fett was interesting, although up to this point I had assumed clones were created as fully grown adults. The plot points in other episodes about whether the Republic should order more clones seems odd if those orders are going to take years to produce active soldiers.

Season 3 seems to do the most jumping around, chronologically speaking, of the seasons. I didn't want to bother with the chronological episode order, but I can see how some may prefer it. While watching "Evil Plans" I was like, wait, didn't that droid die? It didn't click until halfway through the episode that it was a prequel to the Die Hard season 1 finale. It seems like they brought back Ziro the Hutt just to kill him off and tie up that loose end. A number of the multi-part episodes this season seem less connected to each other than previous arcs. Like, the Mandalore 2 parter seems built so only one episode or the other needs to be watched. Likewise, the first episode of the Mortis arc seems self contained, and the story over, when then no, it goes on for 2 more episodes. I don't know if it's they opt to make an additional episode after writing the first, or they're trying too hard to make each episode watchable on its own. This seems to fluctuate some, certain arcs flow better than others. Also, after the 2 season opener episodes, the clones take a back seat the rest of the season. Echo is killed in one of the Citadel episodes, and I only know that because another clone shouted his name when he died. They're largely disposable cannon fodder.

The Nightsisters are was also interesting, although I couldn't figure out Mother Talzin's angle. She seems to take each setback in stride, but makes some baffling decisions on who to help. Maybe it was supposed to be showing her playing all sides, but it just made her seem a bit feckless.

Season 4's Water War arc was a strong opener. My wife can only take so much JarJar though, so we skipped Shadow Warrior, the first episode skipped since "Supply Lines," which was the first episode skipped since season 1. hmm.. wonder if there's a pattern...

The last episode watched was Mercy Mission, which is like if R2D2 and C3PO wandered into a Zelda game


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