Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Remember last week's episode when Ben was leading Sun through the jungle to his boat. Well, he took off his arm wrap (on his bruised or broken arm) so that indicates that the island is healing him (again?).
Do you think the surgery that Jack did on Ben in the first season is related to Ben being shot in the heart as a kid?
Do you think the surgery that Jack did on Ben in the first season is related to Ben being shot in the heart as a kid?
03-26-09, 08:09 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
The editing makes it seem that Desmond remembered as it happened, but that can't really be, because when that happened in Island time, Desmond was only gone for a few days and we sorta know that on island time and off island time about 3 years passed.
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Desmond Leaves -- Few Days Go By --- Faraday meets Desmond in the past --- 3 years go by ---- Desmond remembers the meeting.
Does that make sense?
Timeline
Desmond Leaves -- Few Days Go By --- Faraday meets Desmond in the past --- 3 years go by ---- Desmond remembers the meeting.
Does that make sense?
When Faraday met Desmond, that created a new memory for Desmond. They immediately cut to when he and Penny are on the boat in 2008 and he awakes with his new memory. Did it just show up in his head or has it always been there?
We've seen many instances of time travel to the past where if the O6 hadn't been there to do something then future events wouldn't have occurred. It seems everything has already happened before. If Locke hadn't had his conversation with Richard in '54 would he have visited him as a child? Would they have buried the bomb?
So, if the bomb is already buried before they go back to tell them to bury it then that's the same thing as the memory always being there. That's why Ben could have knowledge of the future. He knew Sayid. As Henry he recognized him no doubt.
We've seen many instances of time travel to the past where if the O6 hadn't been there to do something then future events wouldn't have occurred. It seems everything has already happened before. If Locke hadn't had his conversation with Richard in '54 would he have visited him as a child? Would they have buried the bomb?
So, if the bomb is already buried before they go back to tell them to bury it then that's the same thing as the memory always being there. That's why Ben could have knowledge of the future. He knew Sayid. As Henry he recognized him no doubt.
03-26-09, 08:28 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
This makes sense.
What doesn't gel? We've never seen something like THIS before. AND the island is somewhat immune to standard space-time rules. What's to say that the older Ben Linus isn't being protected by the island?
See above. I don't necessarily believe the island is sentient. Is there a "correct"? Why would anything have been allowed to go off-course this far to begin with? The smoke monster could have easily eliminated Ben well before the "off course" of which you speak.
Ugh. Why do I read these threads? They make my head hurt (and yes, I'm referencing your, poor redheaded Charlotte).
Another great episode, and I can't wait to see how they are going to fix this apparent contradiction. Of course there are plenty of time-travel theorems that could easily accommodate a person being killed in the past still existing in a future, but it doesn't gel with island mythology as we know it as this point.
Well, I fall on the side of the fence that the course that needs to be corrected is Ben and how badly he screwed up the island. I'd say the course is beginning to correct.
I forgot about old Ben still on the island in 2008...still that aspect to deal with. What a time paradox!
I forgot about old Ben still on the island in 2008...still that aspect to deal with. What a time paradox!
Ugh. Why do I read these threads? They make my head hurt (and yes, I'm referencing your, poor redheaded Charlotte).
03-26-09, 08:29 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
As I was reminded by my wife - Let's not forget Jack is a surgeon and Juliet is also a Dr.
If there is any chance he can be saved by mortal means, the "out" is there.
But Jack would have to do some serious explaining as to why he tested as a workman!
If there is any chance he can be saved by mortal means, the "out" is there.
But Jack would have to do some serious explaining as to why he tested as a workman!
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I'm thinking this may happen as well. It's possible that young Ben may have grown up to be a good man, but Sayid's betrayal is what turned him into a cold-hearted bastard.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
It seems unlikely that young Ben will die, and I fully expect Richard to appear with some Hostile/native remedy, thus leading Ben on his path to Other leadership.
03-26-09, 08:58 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Best episode since The Constant IMO.
I don't see how Sayid could bring Ben closer to the Others when Ben thinks he's an Other, assuming Ben lives. But something is going to kill off the Dharma Initiative, maybe Uncle Rico and his mop.
I don't see how Sayid could bring Ben closer to the Others when Ben thinks he's an Other, assuming Ben lives. But something is going to kill off the Dharma Initiative, maybe Uncle Rico and his mop.
03-26-09, 10:04 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I'm kind of disappointed that Sayid killed him so unprofessionally. I expected this:
Two in the chest, one in the head. That's pretty standard.
Two in the chest, one in the head. That's pretty standard.
03-26-09, 10:16 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
The barracks are a large area and when the Others have lived there they've never shown us the section where the Orientation building is near the dock. Only the living quarters with the homes and a few surrounding buildings.
The Others abandoned the barracks in 2005 and began living either at the Temple or back in tents so for 3 years no one has lived there. I don't know why they would destroy all the photos. Who cares?
The Others abandoned the barracks in 2005 and began living either at the Temple or back in tents so for 3 years no one has lived there. I don't know why they would destroy all the photos. Who cares?
Something just seemed "off" during Sun's and Lapidis's scene at the barracks. The windows were boarded up. Things seemed more over grown than it should have been after a couple of years.
Plus the numbers were being broadcasted during the Akira plane crash. Small clues that things are different.
I hope that we are not dealing with two timelines, but it is certainly possible.
03-26-09, 10:31 AM
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03-26-09, 10:37 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
In that scene the camera pulled back and you just see Sun's reaction, so that could be debated if he was able to jump off the boat or not. Unlike Michael's death where it established he was on the boat when it exploded. Most characters deaths done with a gun usually stick (Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Alex), however Locke did survive but was shot in the gut and looked conscious when he was in the pit.
03-26-09, 10:55 AM
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Person travels back in time to kill Baby Hitler. Goes to the hitler household, kidnaps the baby, and i think drowns it in the river. The nanny/maid freaks out and kidnaps the baby of a poor family, and pretends that it is baby hitler. Then that baby is raised as the Adolph Hitler we all know.