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Old 02-10-10, 01:39 PM
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

There's a shot from this episode right after Kate gets her cuffs off where you see a windshield with what looks like the date, 5-8-07. Is it possible these flash-sideways scenes are a mixture of 2004 and 2007 timelines? Still, why would the day of the non-crash be a month later even in 2004? Maybe every Lostie is following their own specific timeline. There's no way the passport says 10/22/04 even if it's partially in Arabic.

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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

IMO it's a bit silly to think a show that's known for being frustratingly cryptic, answering questions with questions, is going to reveal it all two episodes in.
Come on, I'm not looking for all the answers two episodes in. This has been 5+ seasons and I thought we were past the S2/S3 type filler when S5 provided us with week after week of great Lost episodes.

Ask yourself this -- come episode 18 if the writers don't answer a pivotal question that YOU had, do you not think that this episode would have been filler?

Anyways, I'm done beating this dead horse. I was disappointed with this episode - nuff said. YMMV.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Anyone wish Daniel were still here? He'd know what to do. He could summon his mom or something.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by chuckd21
Well how long were they on the island before Claire gave birth?
About a month, so I would assume she gave birth on island on 10/22/04.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

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About a month, so I would assume she gave birth on island on 10/22/04.
Aaron was born 11/1/04 according to Lostpedia.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by jwb0323
So, if Sayid is infected (like Claire), then why did Jacob tell Hurley to take him to the temple. UNLESS the man in black was disguising himself as Jacob and fooling Hurley into taking him so he could get an inside man at the temple.
My guess is Sayid became infected through dying. If he had gotten there sooner, in a little better shape, he would have been healed and been fine. Instead he died and that allowed the sickness in.

Or not. Who knows.

P.S. what site did those crappy Lost wrap-ups late year, that pretty much everyone disagreed with, and are they doing it this year?
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

I don't understand the "filler" criticism either. I thought there were some great character moments and I imagine it will continue to build.
I keep seeing the characters give a confused stare so I am guessing they somehow have a recollection of the other timeline. Maybe the timelines will merge somehow?
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

What would happen to Sayid and Claire's offspring if they were to have sex?
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

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So, if Sayid is infected (like Claire), then why did Jacob tell Hurley to take him to the temple. UNLESS the man in black was disguising himself as Jacob and fooling Hurley into taking him so he could get an inside man at the temple.
I thought this was fairly obvious. Sayid was still alive. Jacob wanted to save him and prevent him from being infected, and believed that the healing water would accomplish this. The water didn't work, Sayid died and was infected.

We don't yet know why the water didn't work. I assume its loss of power was connected to Jacob's recent death. Or maybe it was just too late for Sayid at that point.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by MoviePage
I thought this was fairly obvious. Sayid was still alive. Jacob wanted to save him and prevent him from being infected, and believed that the healing water would accomplish this. The water didn't work, Sayid died and was infected.

We don't yet know why the water didn't work. I assume its loss of power was connected to Jacob's recent death. Or maybe it was just too late for Sayid at that point.
Unless it wasn't Jacob at all and the Man in Black telling them to bring Sayid to the temple
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

My theory... the infected are not actually controlled by the Man in Black directly but rather by some sort of minion/demon/etc. that does his bidding. Also, instead of assuming they are reanimated dead or whatever, what if it were flipped and you said they were actually alive and the infection/possession made them invincible? So even if they are 'killed', it is only temporary and the infection heals whatever damage. Just something I've been tossing around.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by jwb0323
So, if Sayid is infected (like Claire), then why did Jacob tell Hurley to take him to the temple. UNLESS the man in black was disguising himself as Jacob and fooling Hurley into taking him so he could get an inside man at the temple.
Originally Posted by MoviePage
I thought this was fairly obvious. Sayid was still alive. Jacob wanted to save him and prevent him from being infected, and believed that the healing water would accomplish this. The water didn't work, Sayid died and was infected.
I'm going to go the other way and theorize that Jacob had no intention of saving Sayid. Perhaps he knew Sayid was infected, knew the infection was irreversible (my theory) and it was too late to save Sayid, and knew the others would be the only ones who could deal with it (i.e. kill him). Having 'evil Sayid' running around among Jack and the gang as an agent of Smokey would put Jacob's remaining 'soldiers' in danger.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by jwb0323
Unless it wasn't Jacob at all and the Man in Black telling them to bring Sayid to the temple
Certainly a possibility, but having Jacob's nemesis going around as Jacob seems a little overly confusing even for Lost at this point.

Plus, Jacob mentioned the guitar case, which he gave to Hurley in the first place and which contained whatever mysterious piece of paper let the Temple folks believe the Losties.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Do any of you know of any updated sites keeping track of questions answered and still unanswered throughout the series?
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

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Do any of you know of any updated sites keeping track of questions answered and still unanswered throughout the series?
List of unanswered questions:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Unan...ons_by_episode
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Couple things.

Episode 5.08 - LaFleur: Ethan is born of Horace Goodspeed and partner on the island. His appearance in this episode is a clue that these events in the original timeline did occur.

Episode 5.12 - Dead is Dead: Young Ethan is seen with Ben in 1988 stealing Rousseau's baby. Therefore we can assume Ethan was never recruited, rather grew up on the island with the Others.

Episode 1.09 - Solitary: Ethan gives the 815ers the name "Ethan Rom". 1) he probably didn't want to give out his real name, but 2) it was also a clue from the writers, Ethan Rom being an anagram for "Other Man", which alot of folks picked up on back then.

Damon and Carlton have stressed patience from the audience despite them being very aware that these are the final hours of the show and all the fans just want a flurry of answers. These timelines are pertinent to each other, there will not be a "gotcha!" moment later in the season where one is invalidated in favour of the other, so time on the show is not being "wasted" showing one timeline that will turn out to be "false."

This could mean, like Flave and I have speculated, that the "alternate timelines" are really just the singular timeline created by the bomb, only three years apart (2004 & 2007) presented in "parallel". Or, it could be some other really interesting way they come together that we don't expect.

I think I may have posted a link to the interview where D&C discuss the above stuff about the timelines in last weeks thread, but it got lost in the shitstorm of reactions to the premiere.

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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by hardercore
Couple things.

Episode 5.08 - LaFleur: Ethan is born of Horace Goodspeed and partner on the island. His appearance in this episode is a clue that these events in the original timeline did occur.

Episode 5.12 - Dead is Dead: Young Ethan is seen with Ben in 1988 stealing Rousseau's baby. Therefore we can assume Ethan was never recruited, rather grew up on the island with the Others.

Episode 1.09 - Solitary: Ethan gives the 815ers the name "Ethan Rom". 1) he probably didn't want to give out his real name, but 2) it was also a clue from the writers, Ethan Rom being an anagram for "Other Man", which alot of folks picked up on back then.

Damon and Carlton have stressed patience from the audience despite them being very aware that these are the final hours of the show and all the fans just want a flurry of answers. These timelines are pertinent to each other, there will not be a "gotcha!" moment later in the season where one is invalidated in favour of the other, so time on the show is not being "wasted" showing one timeline that will turn out to be "false."

This could mean, like Flave and I have speculated, that the "alternate timelines" are really just the singular timeline created by the bomb, only three years apart (2004 & 2007) presented in "parallel". Or, it could be some other really interesting way they come together that we don't expect.

I think I may have posted a link to the interview where D&C discuss the above stuff about the timelines in last weeks thread, but it got lost in the shitstorm of reactions to the premiere.
I am not discounting this possibility, but I will ask again how the existence of Cindy the Stewardess, seemingly ingratiated into Other society for quite some time and aware of Flight 815 and her own passage upon it, reconciles with your theory.

For this to be the case she would have had to somehow relatively quickly get transported to the island, find acceptance amongst the temple Others, and remember specific passengers from a nondescript flight three years earlier.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by Groucho
Another "surprise" appearance (Ethan) ruined by showing the actor's name in the opening credits.
That always pisses me off as well. I try not to look at the names flashing on the screen, but sometimes one will pop up right where I happen to be looking.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

I want Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's name to pop up.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

I want to see Desmond pop up on the island since he (may have) disappeared from the plane.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

I want for someone to not say "I'll tell you everything...........sometime after episode 12." I wish that they wouldn't have the characters ask questions that they're not willing to answer right then and there. And the whole Rousseau thing still has me thinking that she was an "infilitrator" since the first time we saw her.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by The Bus
I want Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's name to pop up.
Please, no. He's exactly the type of character who should just show up as a complete shocker.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

I've started holding up my hand to block the bottom of the screen while the credits are going. It's a pain, since they seem to last about 10 minutes.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by Groucho
My theory is that in the alternate universe Al Gore was elected president in 2000 and instituted Socialized Medicine™ which means Claire and Kate had to wait a month before they could be seen by a doctor.
Doesn't hold up. We all know that if Al Gore had been elected in 2000 the women would be wearing burqas and Sayid would be out collecting dhimmi taxes.
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Re: LOST -- "What Kate Does" -- 02.09.2010

Originally Posted by hardercore
These timelines are pertinent to each other, there will not be a "gotcha!" moment later in the season where one is invalidated in favour of the other, so time on the show is not being "wasted" showing one timeline that will turn out to be "false."

This could mean, like Flave and I have speculated, that the "alternate timelines" are really just the singular timeline created by the bomb, only three years apart (2004 & 2007) presented in "parallel". Or, it could be some other really interesting way they come together that we don't expect.
So if the current island story is 2007, how do we get around the island being underwater in 04? But I like the idea of not wasting the alternate flashbacks, so far they're good endings for the characters...


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