mgbfan

A thread for those of us who want to freely discuss the series, comparisons to the books, future events, events foreshadowed, events left out, etc.

Warning to those who haven't read the books. Any posts below this one are open season. If you don't want to find out what happens later (in this book or subsequent books), you're probably better off in the weekly threads.

Hopefully this will remedy the situation in the main thread where there are two very different groups of people watching this, and wanting different things in the discussion.

EDIT: To clarify the purpose of this thread (since I'm getting some flak)

This thread is for those who who know this world and are up to speed with what GRRM has released. Others are welcome to participate, but they should be aware that anything in the first four books is fair game. When Dance comes out this summer, we'll spoilerize info from that. As another poster noted, Book four came out almost six years ago. Those who want to read it, for the most part, probably have.

JasonF

I can't wait to see how Syrio Forel and Gregor Clegane translate to TV.

Merkin Muffley

Thank you for starting this! I'm glad I could post in here to say "have fun" before the spoilers started flowing. See you guys after I read the book...

mgbfan

A few random thoughts.

1) The wolves - I think they're being featured too little. Especially in the case of Summer and Ghost. And I'm not sure we've even seen Robb's or Rickon's wolf yet. And Robb in general seems to have been largely ignored. For the role he'll play, it seems like they'd bring him along more quickly.

2) I'm curious whether the show will ever revert to flashbacks. I think on some of the material that has to be covered to get viewers up to speed, and I'm not sure how they can do it via dialog alone. The whole story behind the Mad King, the Hound's backstory, the backstory behind the Lannister children and why Jamie loves Tyrion and Cersei hates him, the whole story with Jon Arryn, his son, and Cat's sister, etc.

3) Will they be able to pull off Hodor without making the whole idea seem silly? A guy walking around saying nothing but "Hodor" works fine on paper, but it's hard to imagine it coming off on screen.

Deftones

there's a place for this. it's called in the book forum.

mgbfan

Yes. On a related note, I thought they really held back on the Hound. In most of his scenes, you really have to look hard to see his disfigurement. I thought it'd be a bit more front-and-center.

mgbfan

Why? We're discussing the television series here. Are you telling us that we're not allowed to discuss the TV series here, even if we segregate ourselves into a thread for your protection?

WinterIsComing

In the book Joffrey is described as tall and handsome but in the series he has a weird face and for the viewer it's not plausible why the beautiful Sansa would fall in love with this cretin.

Groucho

So, what books are within scope? Just the first one, since that's all that's covered this season? Not everybody has read all four books.

superdeluxe

This is up to everything book wise that has been released correct? ground rules need to be established lol.

JasonF

On the pre-season promo where they show you a bunch of little clips from throughout the season, I thought I saw one of Ned finding Jamie sitting on the Iron Throne, which suggests to me that there will be flashbacks.

JasonF

Book 4 has been out for five and a half years -- I think we're past the spoiler window.

On a completely unrelated note, I got my hands on an advance copy of A Dance with Dragons and I absolutely cannot believe that Martin had Viserys kill Robb -- I totally did not see that coming!

Alvis

Well, it would be hard to see that coming since they're both

Time to start re-reading the books, goddammit so much.

superdeluxe

Doh..that is what I get for not reading lol

Groucho

I think we need a separate thread for book one / season one spoilers only.

superdeluxe

What about vague fore shadowing?

starman9000

Was Hodor in the second episode? I missed him the first one. He should be heavy next week though I suppose.

When do the frog people show up?

superdeluxe

I didn't see Hodor, but I did see him in the first.

WinterIsComing

He wasn't in the 2 episodes. I guess Hodor will show up when Bran is awake and need to be carried around which is next episode and the frog people will not show up this season.

Deftones

this is exactly my point as to why this should remain a book only thread.

mgbfan

Yeah, sorry, I thought that was clear in the first post. From that post:

"If you don't want to find out what happens later (in this book or subsequent books), you're probably better off in the weekly threads."

The parenthetical covers it. If GRRM has written it, it's fair game.

mgbfan

Ooh, I totally forgot about them. I think that's quite awhile yet, as memory serves.

mgbfan

There is already a thread for the books. This isn't a thread about the books. This is a thread about the television series. If we go start talking about the TV series in the book thread, we'll get hollared at to take it to the TV forum.

Also, the opening post covered this. But, since it's confusing some, I'll edit the first post to make it more explicit.

DJariya

I asked you all in the 1st episode thread if you needed a 2nd thread to compare the books and most of you said no. I guess the OP has me on ignore.

But, this is fine with me. Discuss away about book 2, 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 etc.

Honestly I don't get the point of wanting to talk about future books when season 1 is only an adaptation of the 1st book. I get the OP is a book lover and a lover of the books, but what is someone supposed to gain talking about book 3 or 4 when the season that is currently airing is only on book 1?

Deftones

so let me get this straight. you want a thread where you can talk about the tv series so you can speculate what they will cover from upcoming books. did i get that right? yeah, just have a conversation in the book thread. this is retarded.