RoyalTea

Remind me again why there has to be a high level mole? I think it's pretty obvious that Brody passed the razor blade.

I don't know if tipping off the professor who lived near the airport had to have from a high level mole.

windom

So how does the original plan on the roof of the house with a clear shot of Marine One fit in? What would have happened if that couple had not been discovered?

Throwing Copper

This is going to be a must-purchase when it comes out on video.

I hope we get the full Season 1 this spring some time.


Outstanding season. Really hoping for commentaries on each episode and a behind the scenes making of documentary.

Shannon Nutt

Because this is a Howard Gordon show.

Goat3001

Is that the reason? I thought I missed something about there being a high level mole. Is it just an assumption?

My thought is that next season will be about the CIA figuring out there is a mole and finding him... and of course we know that Brody is the high level mole.

I wonder how they'll work Claire Danes back into the mix again. I can't see how they can logically bring her back without making it seem too 24-ish.

Thrush

I agree about the mole.

As for the professor, it seems like that whole thing with the house near the airport was nothing but a red Herring. Because I don't see how that fits in with Brody and Walker's plan at all.

JaxComet

The bomb not going off was too weak for a series that had been so good up until then. The phone call from his daughter at the last possible second was just the icing on the cake. I guess it was unavoidable if they want to have a second season but it still seemed like a lame network TV style trick.

Septemberbaby

A co-worker asked if the Disabilities Act would prevent the CIA from firing Carrie.

I'm thinking she would be fired for not disclosing it, not for being disabled.

d2cheer

Sort of my main issue. I watched this marathon style over the last couple of days…overall incredibly tense, well acted and as many have mentioned very Emmy worthy; I was emotionally exhausted after this and sort of wish I gave myself some additional time between the episodes to reflect. Loved it overall except… the reason for his turn even with the video at the beginning of the last episode. Really had a hard time with it, I am sorry the US does an oops by sending in a drone where they thought the enemy would be and unfortunately some kids were killed albeit one he was close to but come on. In the war on terror it is not hard to believe that something like that has happened and if those cowards hide among their kids well tough shit. Then after 8 years he gets his family back and he still wants to go through with it because he loves his country? To me that was the very hard to take. The ending when Carrie figures out the Issa angle felt a little tacked on but whatever. I really enjoyed it and looks like they can build on the season finale for next season which I sure as hell will be watching. Entire series gets very high marks from me and would recommend it to anyone; A- for the one nitpick.

kantonburg

I'm thinking the fact she took classified information from the CIA is the real reason she's being fired.

mcnabb

I am trying to remember, but did Brody tell the CIA that she set up illegal cameras and was watching him too?

DaveNinja

maybe that was the initial plan up until they figured out Brody could get close to the VP

whotony

What couple?

The plan was for the marine one to cause a disturbance so everyone would get rushed into the building right past the alarms going off at the front door.

The other part of the plan was for Brody to blow everybody up not just the vp.

I thought that was easy to see just from watchng the episode.


Also once shots have been fired, clearly from up high they will go through every building in the area to look for a shooter or whatever he left behind.

clckworang

Very good finale. I have mixed feeling about the bomb not going off, though I thought it allowed for a pretty powerful scene between father and daughter. I guess that shows that deep down she really believed that what Carrie said had some credence. When Brody met with Carrie at the hospital, there were a couple of moments that I almost expected him to say thank you, not to actually cop to what he was going to do but in some vague way acknowledge his gratitude for interfering and preventing the bomb from going off. He knows Carrie totally has his number.

As for Carrie's role next season, I can see her starting some type of consulting company focused on Middle East intelligence and relations, something along those lines. This will allow her to stay abreast of what's going on through alternate channels while still allowing her to sometimes work with Saul.

Kevin M. Dean

Marine One airport landing area the couple with the house nearby... the red herring... that's what he's talking about.

Thrush

Hes going through with it because he was tortured and brainwashed for 8 years. They basically turned him and Walker into robots. The only time he was able to waiver from his programming was when his daughter got through to him in the bunker. His justifications for his actions in the video are nothing more than rhetoric. They likely told him exactly what to say.

d2cheer

He did waiver a couple of episodes back though as well when he went to the diplomats house. Then was beat and kidnapped again. That is what is causing the problem with me. He snapped out of it for a bit only to fall back into it again. I know that is the main point of the show is he or isn't he etc... but I still had a hard time with it. Even with that I really enjoyed it.

MikahC

I don't feel "is he" or "isn't he" at all. I feel he intends to, but he's not an idiot who doesn't see both sides. Rather he's a principled man who sees both sides and sides slightly differently from most. He's also a man of action, and where many would simply complain about what goes on internally, he wants to do something about it.

I don't see anything admirable or strong about advocating the killing of children. I also don't see anything anything admirable or strong about taking an "I don't care" position about such activities. It's my hope that such positions will never be the predominant positions in America. It's my feeling that as long as such positions are given play, it's laughable for America to consider itself the moral leader of the free world.

I suspect if an escaped murderer ran onto your property and set up shop, you'd really like the police to find a way to get him out that doesn't involve blowing up your house with you and your family inside and saying, "Oops. Oh well, we were trying to get an escaped murderer."

clckworang

^ Plus, I think the thing that turned the bombing into a vendetta for Brody was the fact the politicians not only covered it up, they outright lied about it. I think that's what really pushed him over the edge. If someone copped to what really happened, Brody might not have been so easily swayed.

d2cheer

They are terrorists and that is a big fucking difference. Sad you can't see that.

Dave99

No, it's really not. Calling someone a "terrorist" doesn't give you free rein to bomb away with no regard for collateral damage.

Original Desmond

Im at the 52 minute mark of this episode, not sure if i can watch any more

Yeah you bust into someone's house and tell a daughter and wife that their dad/husband is a terrorist and expect them to react favourably. The crazy claire danes storyline is jumping the shark for me

I guess i better get round to watching the last 30 minutes

DJariya

Carrie is Bi-Polar and fell in love with Brody, who broke it off with her. And now she's figured out he's a terror suspect. She was barely a few days after her breakdown and of course her behavior is going to be erratic. What's so hard to comprehend about that? Noone expected Jess or the daughter to react favorably. Of course they think she's a nut job after Jess found out Brody was fucking her. She probably thinks she's a scorn nut job.

Goat3001

Based on everything she's done prior to this it's not at all out of character. And in the end her plan worked.

MikahC

Thanks for pointing that out. I'd pointed it out in my original response before I lost it in one of my self-edits before posting. I think the dishonesty is absolutely responsible for pushing Brody over the edge. It's important for people of honor to have a certain moral high ground. I could see Brody being quite pissed off at what some leaders are doing to his country. It makes it a little bit harder to fight when you keep giving the enemy things to hang their hats on. Given the context of a TV show, I could see Brody's POV of wanting to get back at the VP and others involved. Where I felt the show's writing let me down a little was Brody was going to take out a lot of other people that had nothing to do with the bombing or the coverup. And that's what makes his actions not just counterstrike or corrective, but terrorist. He'd be killing innocents just like he believes the US did.

Labels are a convenient shorthand, but we shouldn't be confused about the fact that they're there (like habits and prejudices) to help us not have to think. Sometimes it's appropriate. Sometimes it isn't. I'm accepting of the fact that some people will consistently snuggle up to the comfort of labels, and I can only hope I'm allowed to skip the labels occasionally and delve a bit deeper into the underlying issues. This isn't a show that encourages rote thinking.

But OK, let's change it. A "terrorist" runs onto your property and sets up shop in your detached garage, holding you and your family hostage. The gov finds out and bombs your house with your family (including small children) inside. You and the terrorist survive (you were in the garage) but your family doesn't. Then the government goes on TV and says your house must have had a gas leak. Coolio?

Let's assume I understand Issa isn't Brody's son, and other such straw man responses. What I'd like to know is if you'd feel the gov's actions are justified because they're pusuing a terrorist.