Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
09-24-13, 10:21 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
I think they will reconcile and I also believe that Walt is no longer Heisenberg. He knows that he is gone and he knows that he has to clean up the mess. I also don't know why people think that he really wants to kill Lydia. He and Lydia were already sending millions of dollars in meth to Europe before he finally stopped. He might try to kill her but my bet is that he takes the poison to ensure that he dies even if he is captured.
09-24-13, 10:38 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
I've been shitting on the Walt takes the ricin for himself theory for a while, but I can now see a scenario in which it happens.
The ricin is for Walt. The machine gun is for the Schwartzes. He won't use it to kill them, but just to threaten them into some sort of Grey Matter stock transfer to Skyler, Walt Jr. and Holly. Make it seem like a charitable donation that has nothing to do with Walt so that the family will take it.
Walt then takes the ricin for himself, which gives him enough time to turn himself into the authorities, and say whatever needs to be said to exonerate Skyler, & implicate Jack and Lydia in the continuing meth operation and the murder of Hank and Gomez.
I think that may have been the original plan all along when he called the DEA (take the heat off Skyler and give information on Jack and Lydia), but seeing the Charlie Rose interview may have given Walt an idea on how he can still have his family taken care of financially.
I'm not really sure what happens to Jesse, but I don't see any way he can have a happy ending. Maybe Walt tries to save him so that he can testify after Walt dies, but does Jesse really have anything to live for anymore? He really may be better off dead.
The ricin is for Walt. The machine gun is for the Schwartzes. He won't use it to kill them, but just to threaten them into some sort of Grey Matter stock transfer to Skyler, Walt Jr. and Holly. Make it seem like a charitable donation that has nothing to do with Walt so that the family will take it.
Walt then takes the ricin for himself, which gives him enough time to turn himself into the authorities, and say whatever needs to be said to exonerate Skyler, & implicate Jack and Lydia in the continuing meth operation and the murder of Hank and Gomez.
I think that may have been the original plan all along when he called the DEA (take the heat off Skyler and give information on Jack and Lydia), but seeing the Charlie Rose interview may have given Walt an idea on how he can still have his family taken care of financially.
I'm not really sure what happens to Jesse, but I don't see any way he can have a happy ending. Maybe Walt tries to save him so that he can testify after Walt dies, but does Jesse really have anything to live for anymore? He really may be better off dead.
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09-24-13, 10:58 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
There's this kind of Dr. Jekyll vs Mr. Hyde theme they have going - Walter White vs Heisenberg. Heisenberg is the part of him that lives up to his potential but throws morality out the window. Walt is the part of him that sacrifices his potential but maintains his humanity.
I agree with the assessment that old Walt has died and Heisenberg is the only one left. I think they made it pretty clear when he put the hat on and left the house. Flynn's rejection and seeing his ex-GF and ex-colleague dismiss him as inconsequential were the final nails in Walt's coffin. All that's left now is Heisenberg who is going to fully utilize his massive brain to bring everyone down. I expect a very high body count in the finale. Can't wait.
I agree with the assessment that old Walt has died and Heisenberg is the only one left. I think they made it pretty clear when he put the hat on and left the house. Flynn's rejection and seeing his ex-GF and ex-colleague dismiss him as inconsequential were the final nails in Walt's coffin. All that's left now is Heisenberg who is going to fully utilize his massive brain to bring everyone down. I expect a very high body count in the finale. Can't wait.
09-24-13, 11:49 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
My take on the Charlie Rose interview is that Walt sees his legacy as the blue meth and its no longer something he wants to outlive him. He's going back to put an end to the blue meth, the thing that has destroyed his life. Maybe this is Walt's way of killing off Heisenberg.
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09-24-13, 11:49 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
My best part of the show was Todd brushing off the string off of Lydia's back at the end of the meeting 
Awesome show, can't wait for the finale!
Awesome show, can't wait for the finale!
09-25-13, 08:10 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
I have a very left-field theory I've been working on regarding the fate of one character. It's based off of Vince Gilligan's "Next Weeks Fix" from Talking Bad, a ton of my own imagination, and obscure bits of casting information.
Still 99.9% speculation, but due to some vague factual bits it's going under the tags:
Still 99.9% speculation, but due to some vague factual bits it's going under the tags:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
09-25-13, 09:02 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
I think that may have been the original plan all along when he called the DEA (take the heat off Skyler and give information on Jack and Lydia), but seeing the Charlie Rose interview may have given Walt an idea on how he can still have his family taken care of financially.
09-25-13, 09:47 AM
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I think seeing Elliot and Gretchen on the Charlie Rose show may have given him an idea on how he can still turn himself in, but work out a way to get money from them to his family. The ricin could be a failsafe in case his plan to get Grey Matter money turns out poorly.
09-25-13, 09:50 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
I wonder if we'll get a flashback to the Gray Matter days? A lot of people are assuming that the reason Walt left Gray Matter was because Gretchen left him for Elliot...however we know this isn't the case because we have the flashback to young Walt buying a house during that time...and he's already married to Skyler and expecting their first child.
Also, this is their last chance to explain who Gus Fring really is. Hopefully they make time for that.
Also, this is their last chance to explain who Gus Fring really is. Hopefully they make time for that.
09-25-13, 10:01 AM
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I wonder if we'll get a flashback to the Gray Matter days? A lot of people are assuming that the reason Walt left Gray Matter was because Gretchen left him for Elliot...however we know this isn't the case because we have the flashback to young Walt buying a house during that time...and he's already married to Skyler and expecting their first child.
Also, this is their last chance to explain who Gus Fring really is. Hopefully they make time for that.
Also, this is their last chance to explain who Gus Fring really is. Hopefully they make time for that.
09-25-13, 10:05 AM
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09-25-13, 10:07 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Wow, that's one of the most detailed fake websites I've seen. Much better than the "Save Walter White" one they put up.
09-25-13, 10:10 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Well, he said he sold his share of Gray Matter for rent money, so I'm assuming that came before he bought a house while working at Sandia.
I'd still be interested to what led him from Sandia to teaching chemistry at a public school. Sounds like even after he left Gray Matter, he still had a bright future.
I'd still be interested to what led him from Sandia to teaching chemistry at a public school. Sounds like even after he left Gray Matter, he still had a bright future.
09-25-13, 10:12 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Yes. Although I really don't want to see what that implies to happen.
I really like the idea about Walt forcing Elliot and Gretchen to set up his family. It's something I haven't seen anyone else think of. It would be fitting since early on in the series he rejected their help due to his pride, but now it could be his only viable option to finish what he started.
I really like the idea about Walt forcing Elliot and Gretchen to set up his family. It's something I haven't seen anyone else think of. It would be fitting since early on in the series he rejected their help due to his pride, but now it could be his only viable option to finish what he started.
09-25-13, 11:00 AM
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*no disrespect to HS teachers but Walt is a very smart guy and him being HS teacher was a waste of his chemistry genius.
09-25-13, 11:10 AM
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Pre-Heisenberg Walt was a loser. He was a guy with a million dollar brain and 10 cents of confidence. A guy as smart as him could have done a lot more than be a high school teacher*. So I always felt that he ended up doing that simply because he fell into it and didn't have the confidence to do something else. He easily could have been a college professor too.
*no disrespect to HS teachers but Walt is a very smart guy and him being HS teacher was a waste of his chemistry genius.
*no disrespect to HS teachers but Walt is a very smart guy and him being HS teacher was a waste of his chemistry genius.
09-25-13, 12:34 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Ugh. I really hope with all the stuff left to tie up between Walt/Jesse/Todd/Lydia/Nazi's, that they really don't spend a lot of time on the Gray Matter crap. There's way too much ground to cover to deal with that, IMO.
09-25-13, 01:47 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Why did Walt end up a HS teacher? What really happened with Gray Matter? How does a guy as smart as Walt end up so meek and without ambition, when in flashbacks we see him as a confident guy and as you say, with a bright future?
I mean it's not a huge deal, and we can kind of fill in the blanks, but there is some incongruity between Walt's past and the man we see in season 1.
09-25-13, 02:14 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
not sure if this was already mentioned, but why did Todd tell Lydia the meth was 92%, and then later tell Jessie hey good job, the last batch was 96%?
09-25-13, 02:32 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Yep, they are getting better.
Some of the speculation in here is just crazy to me. I hadn't thought about Gray Matter in forever but I could see Walt using ricin on his former partner. He definitely won't kill himself with it. That's just silly.
And I think the M60 is to kill Jack. He doesn't really care about Jessie anymore. There will be some kind of scene between them but Walt just wants revenge and that's directed at Jack for killing Hank and taking his money.
Of course, the fact that Walt CALLED Jack to the meeting and gave up the coordinates for the money in the process is completely lost on him because he's an egomaniac.
Some of the speculation in here is just crazy to me. I hadn't thought about Gray Matter in forever but I could see Walt using ricin on his former partner. He definitely won't kill himself with it. That's just silly.
And I think the M60 is to kill Jack. He doesn't really care about Jessie anymore. There will be some kind of scene between them but Walt just wants revenge and that's directed at Jack for killing Hank and taking his money.
Of course, the fact that Walt CALLED Jack to the meeting and gave up the coordinates for the money in the process is completely lost on him because he's an egomaniac.
09-25-13, 03:45 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- 75 minute episode -- "Granite State" -- 9/22/13
Of course he doesnt care about Jesse...he thinks Jesse is dead. He made a deal with the Nazis to kill Jesse. When he heard the blue meth was still around while watching the news, that told him Jesse was still alive (because he was the only other one that can make it) and the Nazis didnt hold up to their end of the deal. The M60 is for the Nazis/Jesse.