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GoldenJCJ

I’m sure I’ll check out the new series when it comes out but I think if they wanted to sell all of us on these spin-offs they probably shouldn’t have shit the bed at the end of GoT.

I’m mildly curious but I’m not going to be fooled twice.

johnnysd

I just get this feeling that this show will really suck. Those pics literally do nothing for me.

DJariya

I don’t think anyone is supposed to get excited by a table read photo and three stills with characters that have no context. It’s way too premature to say this will be awful. This doesn’t even come out for another year.

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Gunde

Yeah, I'm back in. Luckily this story has an ending, and D&D aren't involved

Inhumans99

This looks like it could be an enjoyable watch, and will help erase the memory of how the last 2-3 seasons of Game Of Thrones just devolved into a hot mess.

slop101

LoL, they're gonna complete multiple spin-off series before GMM finishes his initial book run!

Decker

Man people are into revisionist history here. Yes the final season or two were pretty disappointing, too rushed. But it's not like they were terrible or negated everything that came before it. To dismiss D&D like they were the problem with GoT is idiotic. The show wouldn't have happened without them and for the most part the series was truly outstanding.
I've never been a person who felt years of great television are totally negated by an ending that I didn't like. It may keep the show from being on "Mt Rushmore", but it still exists as mostly great television and a remarkable achievement in the medium.

spainlinx0

I wouldn't call it revisionist. Game of Thrones had lots of issues even back to season 5, and I felt it was on a decline ever since then. A lot of stuff got glossed over because we expected the ending to deliver. The last season was absolute trash, and the rushed ending with a tons of ideas never paid off or addressed absolutely killed the legacy of that show.

Jason

Sticking the landing seems to be a problem with a lot of shows. Game of Thrones. Lost. Battlestar Galactica (2004). Seinfeld. Even mediocre shows like Enterprise. It gets tiresome after a while.,

Gunde

I disagree. They kind of did exactly that. Yes, you can rewatch and maybe appreciate the acting, the dialogue, the characters, the setting, the effects but what's the point when the main story turned to shit? To me it felt like it was all for nothing and exciting things build-up spectacularly for 7 seasons ended up not mattering one bit.
I'd rather just watch something new.

Noonan

You still think he's going to finish the books??

The Questyen

Zero chance of that happening.

Noonan

Exactly. Dude got his bag from HBO and hasn't shown any real interest in continuing the series since.

The Questyen

I'm with you. I actually enjoyed most of the last few seasons (and some of my favorite moments of the series are in that final season) but like you mentioned the main problem was that they were rushed. If they wouldn't have kept cutting the episode counts and gave stuff time to breathe I think people would have been far more forgiving even if they didn't care for the finale itself. So in that regard I do find D&D to blame because by all accounts they were the ones rushing things because they wanted to move on. HBO for sure wanted them to take as long as they wanted since it was their flagship show.

Osiris3657

There's an obvious pattern among people who didn't think the show's last few seasons were that bad: they didn't read the books.

As soon as D&D starting running low on book material, there was a noticeable drop in quality. And this didn't happen in the final season or two, it happened about halfway through the series

dom56

Is that Daenerys as a child at :29 mark?

Josh-da-man

Yeah, you can really track closely, where the first four seasons follow the first three books really closely. At that point, D&D really dumped a lot of stuff from the next two books and went off on their own with a lot of things. A lot of prominent characters like Lady Stoneheart, Victarian Greyjoy, Jeyne Poole, and Arianne Martell were cut entirely, and some, like Ser Barristan and Mancy Rayder, were killed off at points in the story where they were still alive and active.

But, on the other hand, there's a noticeable change in the novels after the third book, A Storm of Swords, as well, when Martin decided that he didn't want to do a planned time jump after that book, and took a different track (and added a seventh book to the planned six-book cycle). The last two published books seem to do a lot of wheel-spinning.

ben12

I think this takes play hundreds of years before Daenerys was born.

cultshock

Agreed. If you've read the books you can definitely tell when the show started going off the rails (I still stuck with it and enjoyed the rest of the series for what it was, but it could have been much better)


Very true, I found the fourth book a bit of a slog after the greatness of A Storm of Swords.

Giantrobo

Dammit!!

I really had no interest in this...but then that teaser aired. Now I'm interested.

#themteasersfuckinwork

dhmac

As someone who didn't read the books (because I decided to wait until GRRM finished them all first ), I think it says a lot about the decline in quality of the source novels that the 3rd book took 2 seasons (3rd & 4th) to cover but the 4th and 5th books were mostly covered in just 1 season (5th). That fact alone is pretty damning of the amount of filler that must have been in those later 2 books.

Josh-da-man

Yeah, but unless I'm mis-remembering, A Storm of Swords was longer than the first two books.

The thing about Martin, though, was that he had planned to have a five year time jump between the third and fourth books (A Storm of Swords and A Dance with Dragons), which would give the dragons more time to grow and the surviving kids from the first three books to mature. (In the books, Jon, Dani, and Robb were about fourteen years old; the tv series aged them up a bit.)

Martin then got the bright idea to abandon the time-jump (his reasoning was that too many things would have happened in the interim between the books, and he needed to cover them) and it really messed up his rhythm. The first three books came out in 1996, 1998, and 2000. A Feast for Crows in 2005, and A Dance with Dragons in 2011; and keep in mind that those two books were originally supposed to be a single novel called A Dance with Dragons, but it got so long he had to split it in two. And even then, he ended up removing some chapters from ADWD to include in the sixth book.

I can't help but get the feeling that he either let the story spiral out of his control, or that he's financially secure, seventy years old, and doesn't have a lot of interest in finishing the saga at this point in his life. If that's the case, then I just wish he'd bring in a co-writer or ghostwriter. He's starting sound like Harlan Ellison promising that The Last Dangerous Visions was almost finished and would be delivered to the publisher any day now.

cultshock

Yeah, I've almost given up seeing the rest of the series published at this point.