The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
#2426
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Re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
I still think it's too expensive. I'll even admit, there are a couple games I wouldn't mind playing on Wii U (the new DK game, Mario 3D World, maybe even Mario Kart), but no way would I pay anything over $150 - $200 to do so. Especially since it's getting crushed in sales performance and the last gen tech, Nintendo has to be working on getting another console out in the next couple years.
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[QUOTE=Schloob1;12084713 Stop with the HD versions of old games and bring on the new stuff. I have Wind Waker on Gamecube and still can pay it on there. Hopefully this year's E3 we'll finally get word on a new Zelda, and heck a Metroid would be nice as well.[/QUOTE]
And yet the other consoles have been coming out with HD Remakes etc. for years and no one seems to have any issues with that. I could be wrong, but Nintendo has just had Wind Waker for the Wii U. So a 1.5 year old console and 1 release?
And yet the other consoles have been coming out with HD Remakes etc. for years and no one seems to have any issues with that. I could be wrong, but Nintendo has just had Wind Waker for the Wii U. So a 1.5 year old console and 1 release?
#2428
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Other consoles also have a shit-ton of software options in addition to the remakes.
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Word came out that Nintendo is going to publish a Fatal Frame game for the Wii U. I believe that's the first announcement of a Nintendo-published physical Wii U release since Hyrule Warriors five months ago (!).
Nintendo hasn't gone nuts with HD remakes on the Wii U, at least not yet. I wouldn't mind if they'd release a few more. I wouldn't mind if they'd release, something, period.
Nintendo hasn't gone nuts with HD remakes on the Wii U, at least not yet. I wouldn't mind if they'd release a few more. I wouldn't mind if they'd release, something, period.
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Word came out that Nintendo is going to publish a Fatal Frame game for the Wii U. I believe that's the first announcement of a Nintendo-published physical Wii U release since Hyrule Warriors five months ago (!).
Nintendo hasn't gone nuts with HD remakes on the Wii U, at least not yet. I wouldn't mind if they'd release a few more. I wouldn't mind if they'd release, something, period.
Nintendo hasn't gone nuts with HD remakes on the Wii U, at least not yet. I wouldn't mind if they'd release a few more. I wouldn't mind if they'd release, something, period.
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His point is the other systems have more software, so you have choices in games. Last holiday WW HD was one of Nintendo's flagship titles, so you had little choice if you were looking for games to buy.
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XB1 and PS4 had more software 1-2 months after launch compared to the Wii U? Or are you seriously comparing the Wii U to 360/PS3 which had 7-8 years of releases?
#2434
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The remasters for the other consoles are hardly "system sellers", and they're never positioned as that. the Zelda WW remaster, however, was totally positioned as a triple-A system seller, regardless of the fact that it was a 10 year old game.
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Well that's certainly a great excuse to use. I had no idea Last of Us, which was bundled with the PS3 and as far as I can tell a huge seller is not being positioned as the same for the PS4.
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Re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
Gizmo: how would you characterize the release slate for the Wii U?
As much as I love Nintendo and as much as I love my Wii U, it honestly doesn't even feel like Nintendo's trying. The shame of it all is that it seems like Nintendo's lost their ability to surprise (at least on a console/retail level), and that used to be their greatest asset. Still really looking forward to Mario Kart 8 next month, though!
As much as I love Nintendo and as much as I love my Wii U, it honestly doesn't even feel like Nintendo's trying. The shame of it all is that it seems like Nintendo's lost their ability to surprise (at least on a console/retail level), and that used to be their greatest asset. Still really looking forward to Mario Kart 8 next month, though!
#2437
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As far as I know there isn't going to be a PS4 bundle with Last of Us, but there was a Wind Waker Wii U bundle. Since the Last of Us isn't even a year old yet, I don't think they are advertising it as a system seller. There are probably a bunch of people that traded in their PS3s in anticipation of the PS4 release that never played it since it launched so late in the cycle. Those are the people they are targeting.
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Gizmo: how would you characterize the release slate for the Wii U?
As much as I love Nintendo and as much as I love my Wii U, it honestly doesn't even feel like Nintendo's trying. The shame of it all is that it seems like Nintendo's lost their ability to surprise (at least on a console/retail level), and that used to be their greatest asset. Still really looking forward to Mario Kart 8 next month, though!
As much as I love Nintendo and as much as I love my Wii U, it honestly doesn't even feel like Nintendo's trying. The shame of it all is that it seems like Nintendo's lost their ability to surprise (at least on a console/retail level), and that used to be their greatest asset. Still really looking forward to Mario Kart 8 next month, though!
The releases this year sound great, but last year wasn't so hot. But it's Nintendo so it's nothing new. The 3Ds and even the DS were pretty bad. I think we tend to forgot how terrible past launched have been and the internet now over-emphasizes things. My xbox One hasnt been touched in months. That was also a terrible launch game-wise.
Looking forward to MK. Never was a huge Smash fan.
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#2440
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The DS didn't really catch on until the DS Lite was released (alongside Brain Age), from there it was unstoppable. Nintendo needs to figure out what they want to do and release a Wii U Lite, without the emphasis on the ridiculous controller (which I like, it's just poorly planned out with regards to everything else). It was specifically designed with Nintendo's graphical sensibility in mind, it will never be a good 3rd party console, but then neither was the Wii.
imho, with a couple correct killer Apps and a slight redesign Nintendo could salvage it, but they aren't doing it yet.
imho, with a couple correct killer Apps and a slight redesign Nintendo could salvage it, but they aren't doing it yet.
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This is exactly my point. The WiiU was (is) really hanging its hat on WW HD, but the HD ports on PS4 seem to be used to round out there list rather than carry it.
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So Nintendo put everything on WW and not Pikmim, Donkey Kong, Mario etc? Or Mario kart and smash which are coming out this year. But sure, let's just say Nintendo is putting everything on a 10 year old remake.
Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.
#2443
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Since they priced it at full retail, yeah, they were propping it up as a full on AAA release. None of the other remakes on other consoles tend to do that. They're bargain priced.
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For the big holiday season when both of your competitors were coming with brand new systems, yep that is exactly what they did. They needed to come out with a NEW Zelda. And maybe even more, as Pikmin as much as I LOVE the first 2 has never been considered a huge title for them along the lines of Zelda, Metroid, and Mario for example. DK, MK8 and Smash between these 3 I would say at least 2 of them if not for a new Zelda for example needed to come out during the release of PS4 and XB1 and not an HD remake as your system seller during the holidays.
#2445
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Yeah, when you put it like that, it sounds crazy, but no less true. Crazy is just how Nintendo's always run things. Sometimes it works for them, sometimes it doesn't.
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Last of us PS4 is $59.99 on amazon
Any other excuses?
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Well WW was not a "everything on it" move. As explained, they had several big titles they released as well. I didn't even mention Game and Wario either.
#2448
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Michael Pachter, who covers/analyzes the videogame industry for traders, who obviously knows a lot about the ins and out of the industry has some very strong opinions (based on solid facts) on Nintendo, which sound more than reasonable to me
Industry analyst Michael Pachter has blasted Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata and controlling shareholder Hiroshi Yamauchi for their "poor" running of the company, labelling Iwata as a "pretty poor CEO" who has "done a very poor job" running Nintendo.
Pachter vented his opinion of the exec and his company during the latest episode of Pach-Attack, where he was asked whether he thought Nintendo may have to leave the hardware business.
"Having to? No, never," Pachter said. "Wanting to? Not while their biggest shareholder is Mr. Yamauchi who I believe is around 70, 71 years old, and not while Mr. Iwata is CEO. I think those two guys are deeply rooted in tradition in the past, in what made Nintendo great. And I think that the Nintendo formula for success for the last 35 years has been manufacture a console, sell it at a profit, and support console sales with proprietary software. And then when your console sells well, collect royalties from third-parties for the privilege of putting their software on the console."
However, Pachter believes "that model is broken for Nintendo.
"I think Nintendo is no longer able to compete the way they did in the past and sell their consoles at a big profit,"he continues.
"I think that the Wii, when it first launched they were probably making about $100 of profit per unit. I think the DS when it first launched was probably generating about $50 of profit per unit. The 3DS I think is barely making a profit. The Wii U I think is barely making a profit - I'm talking 5 or 10 bucks per unit."
Pachter suggests that Nintendo's hardware profits are "so low that it really doesn't make sense for them to be in the hardware business.
"But I don't think they realise that yet," he adds. "And that's a business decision, so this is a criticism of Mr. Iwata, not of Reggie [Fils-Aime, President & COO, Nintendo of America]. Reggie and the marketing team, they're great, they do what they can. You have to... play with the cards that you are dealt. They're dealt the Wii U, they're going to do the best they can to market it and the best they can to get you excited about the software. So I love the US marketing guys, I think they're phenomenal and I have no problem with any of those guys."
But Pachter doesn't feel the same way about Iwata.
"I think Mr. Iwata's a pretty poor CEO," he continues. "I think he's done a very poor job running the company. I have a neutral rating on Nintendo, but I have to say only because their cash level supports their current share price. It's a bad company that doesn't make money."
Nintendo's future in the hardware business has been questioned following the poor reception to the company's latest console Wii U.
Sales of the console are reported to have been "slower than expected", with sales falling below PlayStation Vita in recent weeks.
"Your question, will they have to exit the console-making business?," continued Pachter. "The good news is, Nintendo has something around 8 or 9 billion dollars - billion - of cash on their balance sheet. When they lose money, they lose something like a billion dollars. And frankly, I think next year their losses will be smaller. I think if they lose money it'll be $100m, $200m. They can run for 50 more years and keep losing money and they're not going to go out of business. So they aren't forced to do anything."
Pachter also says that he's "surprised that Nintendo investors have watched the stock go from 63,000 Yen down to 8,000 Yen and have stuck with the management team.
"The stock has dropped to cash value so there's no value in investing in it. The only way anybody is going to make money going forward is if Nintendo suddenly starts making money, and they're not going to make money on hardware, not at these prices."
He continued: "If Nintendo's business is trying to make a profit, once they conclude they aren't going to make any money on hardware, of course they should exit the hardware business. And if they were to put their software on multiplatform they would probably sell twice as much software. So I think Nintendo, if they were to follow the SEGA route, would be immensely more profitable, but it's not in their DNA...
"When Yamauchi no longer is a shareholder [and] Iwata is no longer there, maybe, but I'd say they're gonna keep fumbling around and keep trying to make money in hardware. Don't think it's going to work. I'm not particularly optimistic about an investment in Nintendo stock and I am a stock market guy so I've been pretty good about stock market investments.
"If you don't like that answer, Nintendo fans, deal with it."
Pachter vented his opinion of the exec and his company during the latest episode of Pach-Attack, where he was asked whether he thought Nintendo may have to leave the hardware business.
"Having to? No, never," Pachter said. "Wanting to? Not while their biggest shareholder is Mr. Yamauchi who I believe is around 70, 71 years old, and not while Mr. Iwata is CEO. I think those two guys are deeply rooted in tradition in the past, in what made Nintendo great. And I think that the Nintendo formula for success for the last 35 years has been manufacture a console, sell it at a profit, and support console sales with proprietary software. And then when your console sells well, collect royalties from third-parties for the privilege of putting their software on the console."
However, Pachter believes "that model is broken for Nintendo.
"I think Nintendo is no longer able to compete the way they did in the past and sell their consoles at a big profit,"he continues.
"I think that the Wii, when it first launched they were probably making about $100 of profit per unit. I think the DS when it first launched was probably generating about $50 of profit per unit. The 3DS I think is barely making a profit. The Wii U I think is barely making a profit - I'm talking 5 or 10 bucks per unit."
Pachter suggests that Nintendo's hardware profits are "so low that it really doesn't make sense for them to be in the hardware business.
"But I don't think they realise that yet," he adds. "And that's a business decision, so this is a criticism of Mr. Iwata, not of Reggie [Fils-Aime, President & COO, Nintendo of America]. Reggie and the marketing team, they're great, they do what they can. You have to... play with the cards that you are dealt. They're dealt the Wii U, they're going to do the best they can to market it and the best they can to get you excited about the software. So I love the US marketing guys, I think they're phenomenal and I have no problem with any of those guys."
But Pachter doesn't feel the same way about Iwata.
"I think Mr. Iwata's a pretty poor CEO," he continues. "I think he's done a very poor job running the company. I have a neutral rating on Nintendo, but I have to say only because their cash level supports their current share price. It's a bad company that doesn't make money."
Nintendo's future in the hardware business has been questioned following the poor reception to the company's latest console Wii U.
Sales of the console are reported to have been "slower than expected", with sales falling below PlayStation Vita in recent weeks.
"Your question, will they have to exit the console-making business?," continued Pachter. "The good news is, Nintendo has something around 8 or 9 billion dollars - billion - of cash on their balance sheet. When they lose money, they lose something like a billion dollars. And frankly, I think next year their losses will be smaller. I think if they lose money it'll be $100m, $200m. They can run for 50 more years and keep losing money and they're not going to go out of business. So they aren't forced to do anything."
Pachter also says that he's "surprised that Nintendo investors have watched the stock go from 63,000 Yen down to 8,000 Yen and have stuck with the management team.
"The stock has dropped to cash value so there's no value in investing in it. The only way anybody is going to make money going forward is if Nintendo suddenly starts making money, and they're not going to make money on hardware, not at these prices."
He continued: "If Nintendo's business is trying to make a profit, once they conclude they aren't going to make any money on hardware, of course they should exit the hardware business. And if they were to put their software on multiplatform they would probably sell twice as much software. So I think Nintendo, if they were to follow the SEGA route, would be immensely more profitable, but it's not in their DNA...
"When Yamauchi no longer is a shareholder [and] Iwata is no longer there, maybe, but I'd say they're gonna keep fumbling around and keep trying to make money in hardware. Don't think it's going to work. I'm not particularly optimistic about an investment in Nintendo stock and I am a stock market guy so I've been pretty good about stock market investments.
"If you don't like that answer, Nintendo fans, deal with it."
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Re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
At this point I would be happy with one gaming console like the PS4 and a few PC games I pick up here and there. If Nintendo got out of hardware, I wouldn't mind.
Not saying I want a monopoly in the gaming industry, but the three system thing we've had going for a while is wearing thin.
Not saying I want a monopoly in the gaming industry, but the three system thing we've had going for a while is wearing thin.
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Who cares? With the way mobile games are, this is probably the last console generation (IMO) anyway. 3DS makes Nintendo plenty of cash, which is something the Vita can't do for Sony (selling 10k units a month apparently). iPhone/Android is sadly the future. Just got my controller for my FireTV and look forward to playing Minecraft and Walking Dead. I'm sure Apple has something around the corner as well. How can Nintendo, Sony or MS compete with that?
I guess we just don't talk about the financial status of Sony which been laying off people, selling to Vaio business etc. I don't really pay much attention to Patcher as he has been saying the same stuff for years.
I guess we just don't talk about the financial status of Sony which been laying off people, selling to Vaio business etc. I don't really pay much attention to Patcher as he has been saying the same stuff for years.