Star Wars
09-20-15, 01:49 AM
#3851
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Disney is trying to make as much goodwill with fans as possible so pushing the unaltered films makes sense.
09-20-15, 10:40 AM
#3852
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
re: Star Wars
Doesn't FOX still have the distribution rights to all of them, meaning they'll release whatever Lucasfilm/Disney tell them to?
09-20-15, 12:34 PM
#3853
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
20th Century Fox has the distribution rights to the first 6 episodes until 2020, afterwards they'll only own the distribution rights to the first movie.
20th Century Fox doesn't have to release anything Lucasfilm/Disney asks them to. However, they'd hardly pass on the opportunity to release new content while they can. It's more likely that Disney would be reluctant to release additional content until most of the rights revert back to them.
Once 2020 rolls around, Disney would have to strike a distribution deal with Fox to release a combined boxset that includes the first Star Wars film. It seems very likely to happen though.
09-20-15, 01:27 PM
#3855
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
re: Star Wars
I think this forum is big and varied enough that no one would be missed, except maybe Chad come mid-September.
09-20-15, 06:17 PM
#3856
09-20-15, 06:29 PM
#3857
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
I wonder about this in all honesty. It seems to make sense that Fox would work with Disney on Star Wars releases going forward because let's be honest most people who are interested in buying the film probably want at least the Original Trilogy which Fox won't be able to provide. Fox would seemingly be at a disadvantage just having the first film to release on its own (although I'm sure it'd still sell some copies) but they also seem pretty against the idea of playing nice with Disney as far as the Marvel properties they own. Plus Disney isn't helping matters either really by sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four so I'm really curious if they'll work something out or not.
09-20-15, 06:57 PM
#3858
DVD Talk Hero
re: Star Wars
Both sides would be leaving money on the table if the original Star Wars Trilogy gets split up to any degree. I see some posturing but ultimately they will agree to a truce.
09-20-15, 07:52 PM
#3859
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Fox would seemingly be at a disadvantage just having the first film to release on its own (although I'm sure it'd still sell some copies) but they also seem pretty against the idea of playing nice with Disney as far as the Marvel properties they own. Plus Disney isn't helping matters either really by sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four so I'm really curious if they'll work something out or not.
With X-Men and Fantastic Four, Fox owns the movie rights outright, they can continue making their own films without Disney, so they are. There's no reason to strike a partnership and share with Disney if they can make a successful film franchise on their own, which they have with X-Men. Keep in mind Sony only partnered with Disney with Spiderman after their latest solo effort underperformed.
Also, I honestly don't know what you mean by "Disney sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four." I'm not aware of Disney doing anything to directly harm those film franchises.
09-20-15, 08:31 PM
#3860
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Also, I honestly don't know what you mean by "Disney sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four." I'm not aware of Disney doing anything to directly harm those film franchises.
09-20-15, 09:06 PM
#3861
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Either way though it's no secret that there's no love lost between the two companies. I could see Fox holding out on letting Disney use the original film to spite them. I'm sure it pisses Fox off to no end to lose one of the biggest franchises they previously held the rights to.
I'm not sure that really sabotaged the movie though, and the head of Fox didn't think so either:
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/15/fant...e-movie-accor/
But even if there is actual bad blood between Disney and Fox over Marvel properties, that won't necessarily translate over to the Star Wars properties. Companies can often seem schizophrenic, fighting over one thing while at the same time working together on something else. See things like Apple suing Samsung over their smartphones while still getting all the LCD screens for the iDevices from Samsung. So even a beef over Marvel doesn't mean a Star Wars deal wouldn't happen.
09-20-15, 10:33 PM
#3862
DVD Talk Hero
re: Star Wars
These are film companies, not 12 year olds. Even if someone at Fox wanted to be so petty, by the time 2020 rolls around there will have been so much turnover it'll be effectively a different company, one that puts profit above all else.
I'm not sure that really sabotaged the movie though, and the head of Fox didn't think so either:
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/15/fant...e-movie-accor/
I'm not sure that really sabotaged the movie though, and the head of Fox didn't think so either:
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/15/fant...e-movie-accor/
Do you mean in the comics or in the MCU? Because in the movies/TV shows they're definitely angling for Inhumans to be their substitutes for mutants.
But even if there is actual bad blood between Disney and Fox over Marvel properties, that won't necessarily translate over to the Star Wars properties. Companies can often seem schizophrenic, fighting over one thing while at the same time working together on something else. See things like Apple suing Samsung over their smartphones while still getting all the LCD screens for the iDevices from Samsung. So even a beef over Marvel doesn't mean a Star Wars deal wouldn't happen.
But even if there is actual bad blood between Disney and Fox over Marvel properties, that won't necessarily translate over to the Star Wars properties. Companies can often seem schizophrenic, fighting over one thing while at the same time working together on something else. See things like Apple suing Samsung over their smartphones while still getting all the LCD screens for the iDevices from Samsung. So even a beef over Marvel doesn't mean a Star Wars deal wouldn't happen.
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At any rate, I wouldn't expect any Marvel-Fox conflicts to spill over into Star Wars, as much of the acrimony between the Marvel publishing division seems to come from one person who rules over Marvel, but probably has minimal influence over Lucasfilm.
09-21-15, 12:17 AM
#3863
DVD Talk Hero
re: Star Wars
It's pretty clear a corporate agenda at Disney has been developed to de-emphasize Marvel properties they don't have complete control over (Fantastic Four, X-Men, the Hulk) for characters they own lock, stock and barrel on film/television. Marvel/Disney have basically abandoned merchandising those characters for ones they don't share any profits with.
09-21-15, 07:26 AM
#3864
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
It's pretty clear a corporate agenda at Disney has been developed to de-emphasize Marvel properties they don't have complete control over (Fantastic Four, X-Men, the Hulk) for characters they own lock, stock and barrel on film/television. Marvel/Disney have basically abandoned merchandising those characters for ones they don't share any profits with.
09-21-15, 09:55 AM
#3865
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
While I'm usually the first to accept a claim of corporate malfeasance, I'm fairly sure Star Wars will be handled differently. No matter how popular comic book movies have become with the general populace, the vast majority of them are still not going to pick up a comic book. There will be people who were already on the edge of getting into comics, but most people simply won't.
Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.
*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.
Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.
*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.
09-21-15, 01:55 PM
#3867
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
While I'm usually the first to accept a claim of corporate malfeasance, I'm fairly sure Star Wars will be handled differently. No matter how popular comic book movies have become with the general populace, the vast majority of them are still not going to pick up a comic book. There will be people who were already on the edge of getting into comics, but most people simply won't.
Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.
*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.
Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.
*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.
09-21-15, 02:02 PM
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re: Star Wars
Thanks! I thought of that post the other day when han reappeared but couldn't remember which thread it was (my first thought was mojo so I'm glad I hadn't gotten around to looking for it).
09-24-15, 10:21 PM
#3869
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
As an analog format, Laserdisc picture quality varied widely based on the quality of the player used. There could be a significant difference in what you saw between an entry-level and a high-end model. Much more than anything you'd ever see between two different DVD players. Further, those screencap comparisons are highly misleading. The disc used was in CLV format, which did not offer true still frame capability. When paused, you got a half-resolution interlaced field, not the whole frame. Also, the "1995 PAL Laserdisc" was an NTSC-to-PAL conversion, which was not done very well back in the day and typically resulted in a worse image despite the higher resolution of the PAL format. Laserdisc did not have any significant market penetration in Europe, and most PAL LDs were inferior to their NTSC counterparts. Screencapping Laserdiscs is highly problematic under even the best circumstances. The example posted is not the best circumstance. I'm not saying this to suggest that the Star Wars Laserdisc was great quality. Just that, in this specific instance, any difference between the LD and the DVD is negligible.
The Definitive Collection box set had all the discs in CAV format, a half-hour of video per side. The 1995 re-releases were CLV format, an hour per side. The 1995 discs also had no bonus features. Other than that, they used the same video transfers.
The Definitive Collection box set had all the discs in CAV format, a half-hour of video per side. The 1995 re-releases were CLV format, an hour per side. The 1995 discs also had no bonus features. Other than that, they used the same video transfers.
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09-24-15, 11:35 PM
#3870
DVD Talk Hero
09-25-15, 10:11 AM
#3871
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
What really burned me about the whole thing was the "bonus material" BS. I may not have liked Lucas' stance that "the originals are dead," but prior to the 2008 releases, he had at least stuck by his guns for the past decade. I hated his view, but he stood by it. I'd rather be continued to than do a half-assed laserdisc port, it was utter crock. I was so elated to hear that they were coming out and then crushed to heard about what they'd be. The "bonus material" crap was insulting. If you can't do something correctly, then don't bother doing it at all. It was the ultimate act of hypocrisy.
Thank you for putting it into words. All these years it's just sat inside me as a ball of smoldering rage. These weren't some quirky little side projects, this is the stuff that f*cking made him!. To treat them that way has always made me both mad that they're not in a decent format for viewing but also sad that somebody could let a project of theirs be presented in such a cheap way.
09-25-15, 07:40 PM
#3872
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
re: Star Wars
I'd bet anything that George Lucas has Asperger's (and I say this as someone with it!)
09-25-15, 10:04 PM
#3874
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
09-26-15, 12:36 AM
#3875
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
re: Star Wars
Wonder if Lucas has a stack of old Star Wars CEDs in his living room?
