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I remember hearing he wanted to do a voice over for ROTS but scheduling never panned out.
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Do midichlorians really explain too much? I never understood the hate for them. Midichlorians are not the force they are merely a vessel that allows organic material to use the force. They explain why living creatures and not robots can use it. They also give an idea of force potential but do not guarantee force ability. They are necessary for life, about as crucial as blood is in many life forms.
That Qui-Gon scene doesn't explain much that isn't known. The idea of compassion is something the PT dealt with and it was one of QG's major hangups with the Jedi. The lack of compassion is one of the many things that led to the fall of the Jedi. If anything it might be redundant, but I don't like that Yoda is only seen telling Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon.
That Qui-Gon scene doesn't explain much that isn't known. The idea of compassion is something the PT dealt with and it was one of QG's major hangups with the Jedi. The lack of compassion is one of the many things that led to the fall of the Jedi. If anything it might be redundant, but I don't like that Yoda is only seen telling Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon.
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All we know is "September" so Amazon is simply playing it safe by picking the last Tuesday of the month, I wouldn't take that as an official release date. Sending their standard "your item will arrive sooner than anticipated" email in the even that it comes out on the 20th, the 13th or the 6th is better than sending a delay email.
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Midiclorians are a perfect example of why the PT shouldn't have been made, because sometimes more information isn't necessarily better for a particular subject.
The great thing about the OT is there is alot of stuff that is very vague, and each viewer can interpret anything they way they see it. Lucas didn't need to give Vader, Luke or the Emperor a 'midiclorian number' to show how powerful they were, as the viewer was able to figure it out. For instance, we all see how powerful Luke had become by Return of Jedi compared to Star Wars and Empire. And we could see that the Emperor was probably the most powerful by him electrocuting Luke at the end of Jedi.
The PT has other examples of explaining something that the viewer didn't need more information on: Lucas should have left out Chewbacca, as now we all know they have 'good relations' with Yoda. He should have left out Boba Fett, as his character was mystery in the OT. Thank God Han Solo doesn't appear in the PT as a kid or something, as Lucas probably would have made him the nephew of Count Dooku or QuiGon!
The great thing about the OT is there is alot of stuff that is very vague, and each viewer can interpret anything they way they see it. Lucas didn't need to give Vader, Luke or the Emperor a 'midiclorian number' to show how powerful they were, as the viewer was able to figure it out. For instance, we all see how powerful Luke had become by Return of Jedi compared to Star Wars and Empire. And we could see that the Emperor was probably the most powerful by him electrocuting Luke at the end of Jedi.
The PT has other examples of explaining something that the viewer didn't need more information on: Lucas should have left out Chewbacca, as now we all know they have 'good relations' with Yoda. He should have left out Boba Fett, as his character was mystery in the OT. Thank God Han Solo doesn't appear in the PT as a kid or something, as Lucas probably would have made him the nephew of Count Dooku or QuiGon!
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yes, the current deluxe edition (DVD) contains both the US theatrical versioin and the director's cut. Universal even commissioned a hidef transfer of the US version which HDNet Movies aired awhile back, so when and if the movie is released on bluray both cuts of the film would and should be included.
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How many people here have read the original novels. If you had you would know those scenes were always meant to be there. And what about Lord of the Rings and Avatar. If the Peter Jackson and James Cameron decided to only release the extended version in the future would you gripe about that. Personally like the new "versions" although I do think there is room for the originals. At least it's better than colorizing old black and white movies.
Hell, I'm actually annoyed at Jackson's insistence of releasing the LOTR films in multiple sets rather than one giant, comprehensive box set (it looks like we may FINALLY get that when the Hobbit films are released, but even then, I won't hold my breath).
Granted, I don't hate the prequels or the Special Editions like some people do; I can enjoy them for what they are (although I will always maintain that the original theatrical cuts of the original trilogy will always be ranked much higher), and I'll certainly grab the Blu-Ray set, but saying that they're better than colorizing old films, while that may be true, is a backhanded compliment.
Do midichlorians really explain too much? I never understood the hate for them. Midichlorians are not the force they are merely a vessel that allows organic material to use the force. They explain why living creatures and not robots can use it. They also give an idea of force potential but do not guarantee force ability. They are necessary for life, about as crucial as blood is in many life forms.
That Qui-Gon scene doesn't explain much that isn't known. The idea of compassion is something the PT dealt with and it was one of QG's major hangups with the Jedi. The lack of compassion is one of the many things that led to the fall of the Jedi. If anything it might be redundant, but I don't like that Yoda is only seen telling Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon.
That Qui-Gon scene doesn't explain much that isn't known. The idea of compassion is something the PT dealt with and it was one of QG's major hangups with the Jedi. The lack of compassion is one of the many things that led to the fall of the Jedi. If anything it might be redundant, but I don't like that Yoda is only seen telling Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon.
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What a bunch of sour Whiney old Women. You freaks will never be happy. GROW UP. Myself with a few million others will be lined up on release day to get this,
So what if you aren't getting the original without the extra stuff. You already have them on DVD and VHS and bottom line you will buy this anyways. Yes George changed them. BIG DEAL. He expanded on the Star Wars universe and thats all good to me.
So be happy about the Blu-Ray release and look forward to what ever else is coming in the future. It's STAR WARS and there is so much more coming!
So what if you aren't getting the original without the extra stuff. You already have them on DVD and VHS and bottom line you will buy this anyways. Yes George changed them. BIG DEAL. He expanded on the Star Wars universe and thats all good to me.
So be happy about the Blu-Ray release and look forward to what ever else is coming in the future. It's STAR WARS and there is so much more coming!
#635
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Huh? The whole OT was released in those limited edition DVDs, all in non-anamorphic laserdisc ports. And while I remember that TPM had a few things added for DVD, I don't remember AOTC or ROTS having anything changed.
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My overall point is that, even if it's a change as minor as snipping a second off of a shot, Lucas can't help but tinker with his work.
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http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/a...part-four.html
ROTS just had an optical wipe switched.
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Again, all we officially know is "September" and Amazon.com is playing it safe by guessing the last of the 4 Tuesday of the month.
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All we know is "September" so Amazon is simply playing it safe by picking the last Tuesday of the month, I wouldn't take that as an official release date. Sending their standard "your item will arrive sooner than anticipated" email in the even that it comes out on the 20th, the 13th or the 6th is better than sending a delay email.
They can't offer Release Date Delivery without a release date either, yet another reason to just play it safe with the latest possible guess and then move it up when necessary.
Again, all we officially know is "September" and Amazon.com is playing it safe by guessing the last of the 4 Tuesday of the month.
Again, all we officially know is "September" and Amazon.com is playing it safe by guessing the last of the 4 Tuesday of the month.
Is there nothing that can't be argued about with Star Wars, including the release date of the blu ray set.
Ridiculous.
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AOTC was presented in two different versions theatrically. One version for standard projectors and one for digital. The digital version was the one that was released on DVD. Changes can be viewed here:
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/a...part-four.html
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/a...part-four.html
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Actually there's been 4 versions so far. You're forgetting the IMAX version
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That's basically my whole point, you have people in here going "OMG Amazon sez its comin out on the 27th lulz" and all I've pointed out is that:
A) no official release date is announced
B) there are perfectly good reasons why Amazon would guess a placeholder date
C) we could even get it earlier.
On the other hand you have this "I respectfully disagree" dork who is stubbornly clinging to this tentative date like it's gospel for no reason I can recognize. I dunno, maybe he already ordered a case of Doritos, a case of Mountain Dew and some pizzas from Pizza Hut to be delivered that week so he won't have to leave the house.
A) no official release date is announced
B) there are perfectly good reasons why Amazon would guess a placeholder date
C) we could even get it earlier.
On the other hand you have this "I respectfully disagree" dork who is stubbornly clinging to this tentative date like it's gospel for no reason I can recognize. I dunno, maybe he already ordered a case of Doritos, a case of Mountain Dew and some pizzas from Pizza Hut to be delivered that week so he won't have to leave the house.
#646
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Curious if there'll be more deleted scenes for the prequels. I was looking at the prequel dvd bonus discs, and the extras are decent - trailers, docs, etc. I didn't like any of TPM deleted scenes (really hated the greedo scuffle). AOTC and ROTS have some OK deleted scenes, but hate the AOTC padme before the senate and ROTS Shaak TI and Grievous.
Anyone see the news about Lucas thinking the world would end in 2012? Yeah, sure, we know he was just kidding.
Anyone see the news about Lucas thinking the world would end in 2012? Yeah, sure, we know he was just kidding.
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Again, I would say that the midichlorians would fall under the category of exposition that's not needed at all. The nature of the Force was never explained in the original films, and it didn't need to be. It still worked, even though we were never told or shown the mechanics of how or why the Force could be used by certain individuals. The issue isn't that they used midichlorians to explain it, the issue is that it was explained at all. Any explanation for it would have come across as corny.
We learn nothing of the nature of the force thanks to midichlorians. All we learn is that they are necessary. Which could be the same as saying, which I've mentioned before, human blood is necessary. Without blood a human cannot live and therefor cannot use the force. They explain about as much this quote from Obi-Wan: "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." All midichlorians do is give a name to one component, one of those living things.
The midichlorians don't even explain force power, they only suggest it. The Jedi are pretty easy to dismiss Anakin in TPM in spite of knowing his count is greater than Yoda's. Anakin even shows frustration with his own abilities because he feels he should be stronger. I don't think Anakin of the prequels would've been much of a match for Yoda.
The impression I get from midichlorians is that they are there to show non-Jedi the force potential of an individual. A mother has a baby. The Jedi seem eager to identify force potential and train beings at an incredibly early age. The fastest and easiest way to tell a parent is to check the child's count. Jedi can feel that potential, they don't need it, but the regular people who don't interact much with Jedi can't understand that.
I just have a hard time finding much issue with midichlorians. I feel people really exaggerate their influence.
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I was never given to understand that Grievous was a user of the Force. Lightsabers, yes, but not the Force. And even if he were supposed to be Force-sensitive, that could be explained away by the fact his robot body still housed his organic components.
Regarding the larger issue of midichlorians, the issue really becomes that they introduce a physiological aspect to religion. Can you imagine being told you don't have the right blood cell count to be a Catholic? It's really rather bizarre, and wholly unnecessary as the litmus test for being taken in as a Jedi still comes down to a given individual being "special." Why define that so clearly?
The argument I would make if I were defending it is that the prequel Jedi were meant to be seen as misguided and arrogant. The emphasis on this kind of screening process could be taken as merely a pretext for exclusionary practices. We know Yoda and Mace Windu resisted Anakin; perhaps other council members went along more from the habit of denying x amount of applicants to maintain their own prestige?
But then I get into the largest problem I have with the prequels: Lucas raises interesting questions in the three movies, but outsources the answers to non-canonical Expanded Universe works and our own abilities to fill in the gaps for ourselves.
Regarding the larger issue of midichlorians, the issue really becomes that they introduce a physiological aspect to religion. Can you imagine being told you don't have the right blood cell count to be a Catholic? It's really rather bizarre, and wholly unnecessary as the litmus test for being taken in as a Jedi still comes down to a given individual being "special." Why define that so clearly?
The argument I would make if I were defending it is that the prequel Jedi were meant to be seen as misguided and arrogant. The emphasis on this kind of screening process could be taken as merely a pretext for exclusionary practices. We know Yoda and Mace Windu resisted Anakin; perhaps other council members went along more from the habit of denying x amount of applicants to maintain their own prestige?
But then I get into the largest problem I have with the prequels: Lucas raises interesting questions in the three movies, but outsources the answers to non-canonical Expanded Universe works and our own abilities to fill in the gaps for ourselves.