Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
10-21-15, 04:31 PM
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I'm sure the early digital window was a big factor as well. It may have been the biggest factor of all. I think it come out on digital HD about 3 1/2 weeks ahead of the BD (by which time, home video availability is like old news).
10-21-15, 04:59 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Yes, I clicked through to the article and they didn't mention digital sales at all. Although I'm sure a lot fewer people wanted to own Ultron in any format compared to the original, digital sales must've been a larger piece of the pie this time around.
10-21-15, 05:13 PM
#3328
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Besides the already mentioned (possible) reasons (ie. crappy movie, bad weather, fatigue, odd street date, etc ...), what other reasons could there be for lackluster bluray sales of Ultron?
Could this just be running of the course of general apathy and/or declining interest in bluray?
Could this just be running of the course of general apathy and/or declining interest in bluray?
10-21-15, 05:59 PM
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10-21-15, 06:01 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Would be interesting to see the proportions of dvd vs. bluray vs. digital, before and after the digital HD version started being released weeks earlier.
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10-21-15, 08:39 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
It could mean higher BD player penetration, but could it also be because sales of the movie are appealing less to the general public, and so the geek movie buying crowd (i.e. us) are composing a higher proportion of the sales?
10-21-15, 09:31 PM
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10-21-15, 10:24 PM
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FWIW, here are the mid-year shipment stats on US Music Sales. While not an exact comparison to Blu-ray and DVD, it does show a general waning enthusiasm for physical media AND permanent downloads.
10-21-15, 11:51 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Yeah, people don't want to "own", not even digitally. Streaming's gonna rule, and unfortunately, that's what the publishers want, because they have more control that way.
10-22-15, 01:00 AM
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10-22-15, 01:15 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I'm sure the early digital window was a big factor as well. It may have been the biggest factor of all. I think it come out on digital HD about 3 1/2 weeks ahead of the BD (by which time, home video availability is like old news).
10-22-15, 09:11 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
If you mean subscription streaming, then that's only for catalog movies. Single view rental (VOD) is really not growing very much. Avengers 2 would fall into the latter category, as far as "not owning" is concerned
10-22-15, 09:13 AM
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The new DIVX- I STILL can't believe the industry isn't getting more heat about that. That's a blatant attempt to kill or at least cripple physical media. Luckily I don't care about being the "first" to get a particular title anymore, in fact I might just wait more for stuff to hit the bargain bin than I did before if the industry thinks that low of me.
10-22-15, 09:34 AM
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10-22-15, 09:42 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Early digital window for Alan Smithee is like Christopher Nolan movies for stvn1974. He can't keep himself for haranguing it every time the subject comes up.
The original Avengers was a relatively early add to Amazon Prime, publicized heavily and I assume paid for heavily as well. So I wouldn't be surprised if people figure they can wait for #2, even though it might take longer than they expect. For most people, it'll be a second watch, and apparently not that urgent.
The original Avengers was a relatively early add to Amazon Prime, publicized heavily and I assume paid for heavily as well. So I wouldn't be surprised if people figure they can wait for #2, even though it might take longer than they expect. For most people, it'll be a second watch, and apparently not that urgent.
10-22-15, 01:38 PM
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They're not getting more heat because the number of people who care approaches zero (and I say that as someone who's almost entirely physical-or-die).
And just remembering all the posts like "Antz is out- but only on fucking DIVX!"
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10-22-15, 03:48 PM
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About 25 percent of all sell-through purchases are now digital (in revenue, it's probably higher in units). And it is growing over 20 percent a year, while physical is declining at about 15 percent a year. Do the math, it won't take long for digital to overtake physical in the "buy to own" category. That is, unless digital runs out of steam. But I don't think that will happen for a while, giving the early window advantage it now enjoys (and which I don't see going away any time soon, since studios get greater margins on it).
10-22-15, 03:54 PM
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Yep. I've scaled back my physical purchases and increased my streaming options.
I have Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon. I also have the public library and Redbox if i want physical media.
I have Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon. I also have the public library and Redbox if i want physical media.
10-22-15, 04:49 PM
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I would think the dust had settled and everyone was consuming content in the preferred method by now. I guess it's my collector mentality, but I can't wrap my head around what would make someone drop BD for streaming at this date in the game.
If someone has enough interest in physical media to make the jump from DVD to BD, what could change their mind and switch to streaming? Although it was initially marketed to the masses, to me it fits the profile of a medium specifically geared toward the die hard enthusiast. I can't understand a casual interest BD purchaser.
Also, wouldn't the true state of the market be catalog sales? 90% of the population are going to seek out brand new movies in one form or another. Wouldn't the sales figures for Shout, Kino, Criterion, etc. gives a better picture of how the interest in BD is going? New movies like Mad Max, Avengers, etc. are going to skew the results. It's like determining the general interest in football by Super Bowl viewership.
If someone has enough interest in physical media to make the jump from DVD to BD, what could change their mind and switch to streaming? Although it was initially marketed to the masses, to me it fits the profile of a medium specifically geared toward the die hard enthusiast. I can't understand a casual interest BD purchaser.
Also, wouldn't the true state of the market be catalog sales? 90% of the population are going to seek out brand new movies in one form or another. Wouldn't the sales figures for Shout, Kino, Criterion, etc. gives a better picture of how the interest in BD is going? New movies like Mad Max, Avengers, etc. are going to skew the results. It's like determining the general interest in football by Super Bowl viewership.
10-22-15, 04:59 PM
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I would think the dust had settled and everyone was consuming content in the preferred method by now. I guess it's my collector mentality, but I can't wrap my head around what would make someone drop BD for streaming at this date in the game.
If someone has enough interest in physical media to make the jump from DVD to BD, what could change their mind and switch to streaming? Although it was initially marketed to the masses, to me it fits the profile of a medium specifically geared toward the die hard enthusiast. I can't understand a casual interest BD purchaser.
Also, wouldn't the true state of the market be catalog sales? 90% of the population are going to seek out brand new movies in one form or another. Wouldn't the sales figures for Shout, Kino, Criterion, etc. gives a better picture of how the interest in BD is going? New movies like Mad Max, Avengers, etc. are going to skew the results. It's like determining the general interest in football by Super Bowl viewership.
If someone has enough interest in physical media to make the jump from DVD to BD, what could change their mind and switch to streaming? Although it was initially marketed to the masses, to me it fits the profile of a medium specifically geared toward the die hard enthusiast. I can't understand a casual interest BD purchaser.
Also, wouldn't the true state of the market be catalog sales? 90% of the population are going to seek out brand new movies in one form or another. Wouldn't the sales figures for Shout, Kino, Criterion, etc. gives a better picture of how the interest in BD is going? New movies like Mad Max, Avengers, etc. are going to skew the results. It's like determining the general interest in football by Super Bowl viewership.
Money and storage. Dude, haven't you seen what Alan's apartment looks like?
I think I am now turning into a casual BD enthusiast. It does not make me any less of a film enthusiast, though.
10-22-15, 05:00 PM
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Getting Nolan's shitty films earlier on digital than BD should be enough to kill of BD completely. He is the master of cinema.
10-22-15, 05:04 PM
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The content, yes. The mediums, no. The movies will be made regardless of how people choose to consume them. Singers, songwriters and musicians were around long before recording technology, and would still be around had recording never been invented.
10-22-15, 05:33 PM
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