Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
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Personally, as a whole, I think the new transfer looks fantastic. The color looks just a tad wonky in a couple of the shots, but overall I think it looks great. I'm surprised by how bright and washed out the old transfer looks to me now. Guess we'll see once I see the actual disc for myself...
EDIT: Maybe it's just personal preference, but I think the EE version looks much improved in this shot. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855
EDIT: Maybe it's just personal preference, but I think the EE version looks much improved in this shot. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855
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For those that havn't seen them yet, here are some examples from AVS forum. I think I read that the issue is only on Fellowship as well.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59846
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59621
Credit goes to Litlgi74 over at avsforum for posting
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59846
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59621
Credit goes to Litlgi74 over at avsforum for posting
Something somewhere has got to be wrong. This can't be what they intended.
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This was posted by Bill Hunt on HTF:
"Just read the Blu-ray.com review and I think he's done a good job addressing all the issues, including the color controversy. One thing I can add is that I now know that cinematographer reviewed and approved check discs for the set - not just the initial masters. So everything I've seen and heard continues to lead me to believe that the color timing of the new discs is exactly how the filmmakers wanted it. Once the authoring/mastering process has reached the stage of approved check discs, there's much less that can go wrong that would alter the picture prior to replication of final discs."
"Just read the Blu-ray.com review and I think he's done a good job addressing all the issues, including the color controversy. One thing I can add is that I now know that cinematographer reviewed and approved check discs for the set - not just the initial masters. So everything I've seen and heard continues to lead me to believe that the color timing of the new discs is exactly how the filmmakers wanted it. Once the authoring/mastering process has reached the stage of approved check discs, there's much less that can go wrong that would alter the picture prior to replication of final discs."
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Don't forget that the Sauruman shot is "reversed" in that is the one of those captures where the "mouse off" is the Blu. I think the Blu shot looks great in comparison to the DVD in that case.
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Edit: Just saw this set of screenshots, they all look good to me. No problems with any of it.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Lo...9/#Screenshots
Last edited by Artman; 06-17-11 at 09:59 PM.
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^^^Have to agree. Those shots look fantastic. I observe multiple colors in the FOTR screenshots, which reflects what was intended all along (the colors reflect the mood of the corresponding scene). In the DVD versions, the colors were difficult to "punch" on the screen as their wasn't enough definition to do it well and we saw a dark representation one minute and a more lit scene the next (where the colors were muted because of the DVD).
Those screenshots make me want to order it right now. Yeah, I know. What am I waiting for.
Those screenshots make me want to order it right now. Yeah, I know. What am I waiting for.
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Blu-ray.com has screen captures of all three installments. Only Fellowship appears to look markedly different color-wise from the theatrical BD. Of course, it also has less noise reduction too.
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I just popped my "DVD" version of the movie in to compare and it's right along with the "Theatrical Version". That Extended one is just pathethic and whoever signed off on releasing that shouldn't be allow to touch another BR for life. And frankly the upscaling of the DVD looks just fine plus I have the LOTR:Return of the King Box Extended set that's fantastic.
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I'm fine with my DVDs. I wouldn't buy them even without the color issues on my favorite one of the trilogy since there's no new special features and you still have to switch discs. Hell fuck no.
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Doesn't help the other two much though.
#287
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Wow, the bar has been raised quite a bit. George Lucas will have to work extra hard to fuck Star Wars up this bad
FOTR BD sample
At least ROTK looks great.
ROTK BD sample
FOTR BD sample
At least ROTK looks great.
ROTK BD sample
#288
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If this is an effort to make Amazon sell the set for $30 on release day...I'm in.
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Wow, the bar has been raised quite a bit. George Lucas will have to work extra hard to fuck Star Wars up this bad
FOTR BD sample
FOTR BD sample
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I don't get it. Am I missing something here?
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I don't get it either. Your eyes are going to adjust very quickly to the new color scheme, so unless you are literally watching them side-by-side with the old releases, you won't know the difference after the first few seconds. Nothing in the videos is outrageous to my eyes.
I have a feeling these tweaks were probably done to match what is being done on The Hobbit, so everything has a unified look, similar to what was done with The Matrix once the sequels came out.
I have a feeling these tweaks were probably done to match what is being done on The Hobbit, so everything has a unified look, similar to what was done with The Matrix once the sequels came out.
#293
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I get that they may have wanted to pull out the green, but what bugs me is the way it appears to have been flatly filtered over the entire image without any nuance or finesse. That said, at least one of the YouTube clips I saw of it had the contrast cranked way up and blacks were ridiculously thick, which is not the case in the side-by-side comparison clip.
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I actually like the changed colour timing. Especially those forest shots since Jackson had mentioned they weren't exactly how he wanted them. I forget if it's in the EE docs or one of the TE mini docs but he had mentioned that they had to expose the negative in a way that resulted in a somewhat washed out image because shooting in a forest creates too harsh a contrast. It seems he tweaked things to be more in line with how he wanted but couldn't quite shoot it that way.
But looking at all the very meticulous work they originally put into the original colour timing, I can understand the confusion regarding the drastic changes:
<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></embed></object>
However, I actualy find myself disliking the colour timing in both releases regarding this scene:
But looking at all the very meticulous work they originally put into the original colour timing, I can understand the confusion regarding the drastic changes:
<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></embed></object>
However, I actualy find myself disliking the colour timing in both releases regarding this scene:
![](http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/i-2KhkmLK/0/O/i-2KhkmLK.gif)
Last edited by RocShemp; 06-19-11 at 02:41 AM.
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Those screenshot comparison shots don't seem to line up with what's on blu-ray.com. Granted, that particular one isn't there, but the mountaintop shot doesn't look nearly as bad. I'm just not trusting any of these at the moment.
Compare that close up shot of gandalf to the same screenshot at bluray.com The video's saturation has been boosted a bit.
Last edited by Artman; 06-19-11 at 12:24 PM.
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Last edited by RocShemp; 06-20-11 at 01:46 PM.
#297
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More comparison screens keep popping up.
I know you didn't direct your question at me, but I'll answer it.
All I care about is that the light green tint that I'm seeing (in video clips and screen shots taken directly from the EE Blu-rays) looks completely unnatural. It looks like crap. The second image below looks HORRIBLE.
Theatrical Blu-ray:
![](http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/i-LjnGQPm/0/XL/i-LjnGQPm-XL.jpg)
Extended Blu-ray:
![](http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/i-QbhMqnx/0/XL/i-QbhMqnx-XL.jpg)
Source: http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/
If that unnatural green tint was removed from the movie and all other color timing/color grading changes were made so that the movie appears to follow the laws of nature, I'd be a happy camper.
And, yeah yeah... I realize it is Middle Earth and it's all a bunch of science fiction anyway. But the movie hasn't had this green tint for 10 years and I don't see how ANYONE could have thought it was a good idea to apply it now.
Mark
All I care about is that the light green tint that I'm seeing (in video clips and screen shots taken directly from the EE Blu-rays) looks completely unnatural. It looks like crap. The second image below looks HORRIBLE.
Theatrical Blu-ray:
![](http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/i-LjnGQPm/0/XL/i-LjnGQPm-XL.jpg)
Extended Blu-ray:
![](http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/i-QbhMqnx/0/XL/i-QbhMqnx-XL.jpg)
Source: http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/
If that unnatural green tint was removed from the movie and all other color timing/color grading changes were made so that the movie appears to follow the laws of nature, I'd be a happy camper.
And, yeah yeah... I realize it is Middle Earth and it's all a bunch of science fiction anyway. But the movie hasn't had this green tint for 10 years and I don't see how ANYONE could have thought it was a good idea to apply it now.
Mark
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^Those Hobbits look like they're in the matrix.
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I had been looking forward to this release, but I am going to have to pass. I hope this issue will be corrected in the future, perhaps when The Hobbit is released on BD. (As everyone knows, the studios tend to re-release older films when a new film in the series arrives on home video for the first time.)
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I got my copy on Friday and watched FOTR. Once you watch the movie as a whole, the green tint isn't as distracting as the screen caps. Sure, there's a green tint but it didn't look that bad on my tv where it looks like they're in the Matrix.
I think the screencaps make it look worse than really is because it's just one single frame/pic.
I think the screencaps make it look worse than really is because it's just one single frame/pic.