Rypro 525

well Ledger won Best Supporting Actor

FinkPish

Thanks, I'm on the West Coast.

Supermallet

Agreed. I remember an interview with Neil Gaiman where he was at a party and talking to a prominent literary critic. When the critic asked Gaiman what he did for a living, Gaiman responded, "I write comic books." The literary critic then became very dour and began looking down his nose at Gaiman. Just to be polite, he asked what Gaiman had written. Gaiman mentioned several titles, finishing with Sandman. At the mention of Sandman, the critic brightened up and said, "Wait, you don't write comic books...you write graphic novels!" Gaiman said he found it simultaneously amusing and horribly annoying that people feel the need to put certain comics in a different category in order to enjoy them.

Baracine's elitist attitude is nothing new, but that doesn't make it any less annoying to fans of comics in general, who don't want to see their pleasures relegated to a cultural ghetto.

Rypro 525

wow, they delayed it, lame.

baracine

I own the entire works of Harvey Pekar and have been collecting them ever since he started publishing. Apart from the fact that they are published on paper and use different illustrators, they have very little in common with the idiotic drivel that are comicbookss about heroes in long underwear - and their cinematic adaptations. The point is idiotic, but I'm willing to concede it if you insist. I also collect the various editions and historical variants of The Adventures of Tintin. I'm just grateful that some of the participants in this forum apparently haven't given up reading altogether at this point, even if it's only comicbooks.

FinkPish

They always delay it so it airs during primetime, otherwise the pre-show would be on at 4PM.

FinkPish

God, you are such a stuck up ****.

Troy Stiffler

"You know, that's one thing about intellectuals. They've proven you can be absolutely brilliant without a clue of what's going on."

majorjoe23

Again, comics are a medium, super heroes are a genre within that medium. The only thing Dumb & Dumber and The Seventh Seal have in common is they both use actors whose performances were captured on film. They're still in the same medium.

I hate to tell you this, but you enjoy comic books.

"I think you can do anything with comics that you could do in just about any art form. " — Harvey Pekar.

Supermallet

Translation: I consider people who read comic books to be idiotic. I refuse to acknowledge that people who read comic books may also be intelligent and avid readers of all kinds of literature. I also refuse to acknowledge that the comic books I like are related to comic books I dislike, because that would mean I would have to reconsider my fallacious and insulting assumptions about people who read comics.

fumanstan

I'll say.

PopcornTreeCt

majorjoe23

So we're in agreement: comics are horrible, unless we like them. Then they're not comics.

Mazje

While I believe a lot of good points have been made by everyone in this thread, I don't think anyone has summed things up so perfectly and eloquently as FinkPish.

baracine

In a word, yes.

Nick Martin

I knew I put him on my ignore list for good reason....

I have nothing to add to this "discussion", but I wanted to show you guys something I thought was very funny. I have NO IDEA if it was photoshopped, but regardless....



Have a good one.

baracine

Bingo!

FinkPish

If your sole intention was just to stir shit up, mission accomplished. I know where there's a huge banner going for cheap with that exact phrase.

I still don't really understand what your point is with all of the right-wing ridiculousness: on the previous page you mention wanting to discuss an "adult" movie with "adult" themes, yet you rag on comics and comic book movies for being juvenile. Do you even have a point or are you stabbing wildly in the dark until you hit a nerve?

theflicker

I'm not a huge fan of this film, but this quote seems appropriate here:

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Groucho

"Everybody who loves comic books is an idiot! Also, I love Tintin!"

wendersfan

Mod note: you know better than this.

Mazje

OK, maybe his language was a little harsh, but doesn't Baracine fit the definition of a troll and need some sort of reprimand as well?

FinkPish

I'm not going to defend what I said, I know I was out of line, but baracine knew exactly what he was saying as well, he just wasn't as efficient with his words as I was. He does this from time to time and nothing ever comes from it.

baracine

I wanted to bring the discussion of this film to a socio-political level at which at least two distinguished commentators I quoted have: one who is far to the right and one who is far to the left. The right-wing commentator agrees that Batman is an idealized representation of Bush. The left-wing commentator also agrees that Batman is an idealized representation of Bush. But every one in this thread starts screaming like offended virgins when this question is brought up. They seem to believe that stories, narratives and works of fiction are created in a complete void that is not in any way dependent on the times we live in. I call this the "Fantasyland Fallacy".

Yes, The Dark Knight is based on a juvenile comic strip that has shown signs in the last decades of becoming "adult", at the same time its faithful readers apparently refused to grow up. Unfortunately, the way this was done was to turn a comicbook hero who at first appealed to children or teenagers into a machiavellian monster who breaks legs in order to obtain information. I think this warrants discussion. As does the fact that America's most successful movies are usually based on comics or on stories involving hired killers (choose one).

I should have known of course that this is not the place for any intelligent discussion of this type because of the anti-literary and anti-intellectual bent - not to mention the bad manners - of most posters, some of which even admit to not reading the reviews mentioned before commenting on them.

I will retire and allow the discussion to revert to its usual level, i.e. whether the articulated action figures from the movie are superior to the unarticulated resin figures or whether Spiderman can leap higher than Batman in similar atmospheric conditions.

Enjoy!

Groucho

According to the IMDB, here are the top-grossing films in the US:

1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. The Dark Knight (2008) $531,001,578
3. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
4. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
5. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
6. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
7. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $423,032,628
8. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
9. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $380,262,555
10. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)

Only two meet your criteria (bolded).