Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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I actually remember watching the Holiday Special in 1978, and as a 6 year old kid thought it was terrible. I still remember the part where they meet Chewbacca's family and it was so ridiculous.
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Via Empire:
J.J. Abrams On Star Wars 7 Inspirations & Lightsaber Duels
As the wait for Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens becomes shorter, Lucasfilm is sharing more and more from their highly-anticipated film. New television commercials are debuting every other day, magazine covers feature the heroes and villains in action, and an interactive partnership with Google has been launched. After three long years, the return of the galaxy far, far away is about to become a reality.
Nobody is more relieved at that prospect than co-writer/director J.J. Abrams, who is ready to share his film with Star Wars fans around the world. The trailers have provided many encouraging signs that Abrams was able to recapture the old school space adventure vibe of the classic trilogy, but those were not the only films he looked towards for inspiration.
In Empire‘s coverage of The Force Awakens (hat tip Star Wars News Net), Abrams revealed that his research went beyond Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. He was influenced by some unlikely sources during pre-production to get a better idea of how he wanted Episode VII to look:
Before he started The Force Awakens, Abrams watched some movies. No, not those ones, Other ones. He looked at “the confidence” of John Ford Westerns. He took in the “unbelievable scene choreography and composition” of Kurosawa’s High and Low. And he studied “the powerful stillness” of Terrence Malick. “It’s not something I would normally have thought of coming to Star Wars,” he says. The spare visual style of Ford, Kurosawa and Malick points to a key mandate for Abrams’ approach to Episode VII: the distinctive less-is-more quality of the originals.
Since film is a visual medium, “show, don’t tell” is a useful tool filmmakers have at their disposal to inform the audience. Elements like shot composition and lighting can convey so much about the characters and situations, the imagery of a movie has the potential to be much more efficient and effective than expositional dialogue. It’s a positive development that Abrams strived to emulate this style, and based on what’s been shown so far, the look of the film has already left a strong impression with moviegoers.
Abrams also discussed his approach to filming the Force Awakens lightsaber battles. Those who felt the duels of the prequels were a little too choreographed and elaborate will be pleased to hear that Abrams looked back at the “primitive” nature of the original trilogy duels when plotting out the Finn vs. Kylo Ren fight:
“When you look at Star Wars and Empire, they are very different lightsaber battles, but for me they felt more powerful because they were not quite as slick. I was hoping to go for something much more primitive, aggressive and rougher, a throwback to the kind of heart-stopping lightsaber fights I remembered being so enthralled by as a kid.”
In addition to how the physical fights were portrayed, the duels of the classic trilogy were so compelling because of what was happening internally with the participants. Frequently, they were used to develop the characters and give audiences a deeper look into their psychology. One would hope that Abrams incorporated this aspect into The Force Awakens as well, so the lightsaber battles are not just flashy sequences, but have a meaningful impact on the story he’s telling. That would be an ideal way to give a new generation of youngsters “heart-stopping” moments of their own.
That's cool. I really hate how the lightsaber fights went all Hong Kong to the point of having no real depth or emotion. My favorite lightsaber fight scene is in RotJ where Luke loses it when Vader brings up Leia. The music, the lighting, the emotions in the actual dueling. So fucking great. It's a short bit but goddamn is it just bursting w/ epic drama in that thing.
J.J. Abrams On Star Wars 7 Inspirations & Lightsaber Duels
As the wait for Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens becomes shorter, Lucasfilm is sharing more and more from their highly-anticipated film. New television commercials are debuting every other day, magazine covers feature the heroes and villains in action, and an interactive partnership with Google has been launched. After three long years, the return of the galaxy far, far away is about to become a reality.
Nobody is more relieved at that prospect than co-writer/director J.J. Abrams, who is ready to share his film with Star Wars fans around the world. The trailers have provided many encouraging signs that Abrams was able to recapture the old school space adventure vibe of the classic trilogy, but those were not the only films he looked towards for inspiration.
In Empire‘s coverage of The Force Awakens (hat tip Star Wars News Net), Abrams revealed that his research went beyond Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. He was influenced by some unlikely sources during pre-production to get a better idea of how he wanted Episode VII to look:
Before he started The Force Awakens, Abrams watched some movies. No, not those ones, Other ones. He looked at “the confidence” of John Ford Westerns. He took in the “unbelievable scene choreography and composition” of Kurosawa’s High and Low. And he studied “the powerful stillness” of Terrence Malick. “It’s not something I would normally have thought of coming to Star Wars,” he says. The spare visual style of Ford, Kurosawa and Malick points to a key mandate for Abrams’ approach to Episode VII: the distinctive less-is-more quality of the originals.
Since film is a visual medium, “show, don’t tell” is a useful tool filmmakers have at their disposal to inform the audience. Elements like shot composition and lighting can convey so much about the characters and situations, the imagery of a movie has the potential to be much more efficient and effective than expositional dialogue. It’s a positive development that Abrams strived to emulate this style, and based on what’s been shown so far, the look of the film has already left a strong impression with moviegoers.
Abrams also discussed his approach to filming the Force Awakens lightsaber battles. Those who felt the duels of the prequels were a little too choreographed and elaborate will be pleased to hear that Abrams looked back at the “primitive” nature of the original trilogy duels when plotting out the Finn vs. Kylo Ren fight:
“When you look at Star Wars and Empire, they are very different lightsaber battles, but for me they felt more powerful because they were not quite as slick. I was hoping to go for something much more primitive, aggressive and rougher, a throwback to the kind of heart-stopping lightsaber fights I remembered being so enthralled by as a kid.”
In addition to how the physical fights were portrayed, the duels of the classic trilogy were so compelling because of what was happening internally with the participants. Frequently, they were used to develop the characters and give audiences a deeper look into their psychology. One would hope that Abrams incorporated this aspect into The Force Awakens as well, so the lightsaber battles are not just flashy sequences, but have a meaningful impact on the story he’s telling. That would be an ideal way to give a new generation of youngsters “heart-stopping” moments of their own.
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I thought that Ewok Adventure was a pretty bad when it came on tv. That little girl acting was just plain awful. Hell, the show was chessy bad.
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I was at Disneyland last week and rode Hyperspace Mountain 3 times. Its pretty great; i imagine the overlay will remain for a while. I also saw the new Star Tours segment from the new movie. its pretty cool. I watch the Path of the Jedi clip show that had the trailer for the new movie at the end. I really want to see the new movie now. We also got a BB-8 sipper cup and a Tie Fighter popcorn bucket. There was a crazy amount of Star Wars merch in tomorrowland.
One thing a teenage me would have never imagined was that 25 years in the future it would be normal to see a quarter of adults wearing star wars or avengers tshirts
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That's cool. I really hate how the lightsaber fights went all Hong Kong to the point of having no real depth or emotion. My favorite lightsaber fight scene is in RotJ where Luke loses it when Vader brings up Leia. The music, the lighting, the emotions in the actual dueling. So fucking great. It's a short bit but goddamn is it just bursting w/ epic drama in that thing.
That's cool. I really hate how the lightsaber fights went all Hong Kong to the point of having no real depth or emotion. My favorite lightsaber fight scene is in RotJ where Luke loses it when Vader brings up Leia. The music, the lighting, the emotions in the actual dueling. So fucking great. It's a short bit but goddamn is it just bursting w/ epic drama in that thing.
ROTS Anakin vs Obiwan should have been an epic duel, yet it was BORRRRINGGG! They have 2 minutes of dialogue at the beginning and 2 minutes of dialogue at the end the rest is all flashy stunts for the ADD generation. Atleast the Yoda vs Sidious duel had some good trash talking as always thought that was better.
The ESB duel is the best because its all about the dialogue and emotion on Luke's face as he is getting physically and psycologically beaten by Vader. When he is lying there up against the rail out of breath midway through the duel, he is a beaten man and Kershner did a great job of showing it.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
not sure if this was mentioned, but the movie clocks in @ 136min.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ar-wars-844558
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ar-wars-844558
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The Washington Post has a new article about George Lucas:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...f76_story.html
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Daisy Ridley told Glamour UK that Steven Spielberg has seen the movie three times already.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...f76_story.html
“I call it like a divorce,” Lucas says candidly. He always knew that at some point he’d have to part with “Star Wars” in order for the franchise to go on living.
“There is no such thing as working over someone’s shoulder,” he says. “You’re either the dictator or you’re not. And to do that would never work, so I said ‘I’m going to get divorced.’ . . . I knew that I couldn’t be involved. All I’d do is make them miserable. I’d make myself miserable. It would probably ruin a vision — J.J. has a vision, and it’s his vision.”
As recently as a couple weeks ago, with fans going ape over tidbits and new trailers for “The Force Awakens,” Lucas had still not seen the film. Not a frame.
He expected that he would soon see it here at the ranch (“I’ve got the best theater in the world,” he notes), perhaps even with Abrams and Lucasfilm Ltd. President Kathleen Kennedy (a longtime Lucas collaborator) in the room, watching him watch it. What then?
“Now I’m faced with this awkward reality, which is fine,” Lucas says. Extending the metaphor, he says it’s like when a grown child gets married. “I gotta go to the wedding. My ex will be there, my new wife will be there, but I’m going to have to take a very deep breath and be a good person and sit through it and just enjoy the moment, because it is what it is and it’s a conscious decision that I made.”
“There is no such thing as working over someone’s shoulder,” he says. “You’re either the dictator or you’re not. And to do that would never work, so I said ‘I’m going to get divorced.’ . . . I knew that I couldn’t be involved. All I’d do is make them miserable. I’d make myself miserable. It would probably ruin a vision — J.J. has a vision, and it’s his vision.”
As recently as a couple weeks ago, with fans going ape over tidbits and new trailers for “The Force Awakens,” Lucas had still not seen the film. Not a frame.
He expected that he would soon see it here at the ranch (“I’ve got the best theater in the world,” he notes), perhaps even with Abrams and Lucasfilm Ltd. President Kathleen Kennedy (a longtime Lucas collaborator) in the room, watching him watch it. What then?
“Now I’m faced with this awkward reality, which is fine,” Lucas says. Extending the metaphor, he says it’s like when a grown child gets married. “I gotta go to the wedding. My ex will be there, my new wife will be there, but I’m going to have to take a very deep breath and be a good person and sit through it and just enjoy the moment, because it is what it is and it’s a conscious decision that I made.”
Daisy Ridley told Glamour UK that Steven Spielberg has seen the movie three times already.
Spoiler:
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Lucas comes across as a huge drama queen recently. I get that Star Wars is his baby and all that but he agreed to sell and to Disney's terms. If he wasn't fine with that he shouldn't have agreed to sell Lucasfilm to them. I think he's mostly upset that it's not his vision anymore or someone taking his vision and creating new films. He probably somewhat expected Disney to take some of the ideas he had and work with them possibly overseeing certain aspects to a degree and I think them putting the kibosh on that irritates him even if he isn't outright saying so.
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Lucas comes across as a huge drama queen recently. I get that Star Wars is his baby and all that but he agreed to sell and to Disney's terms. If he wasn't fine with that he shouldn't have agreed to sell Lucasfilm to them. I think he's mostly upset that it's not his vision anymore or someone taking his vision and creating new films. He probably somewhat expected Disney to take some of the ideas he had and work with them possibly overseeing certain aspects to a degree and I think them putting the kibosh on that irritates him even if he isn't outright saying so.
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Abrams was on Jimmy Fallon tonight and mentioned that Lin-Manuel Miranda (creator of the hit Broadway musicals "In the Heights" and "Hamilton") did the music for the alien bar at Maz Kanata's castle. The scene is basically the Mos Eisley Cantina 2.0.
And he's faced opposition in every major city he's pitched it to:
Sure, that's the real reason... not because your proposed design looks like an Alderaan airport. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Reminds me of the argument Lucas had about "Red Tails". No studio would back the project, so Hollywood must be racists. Forgot the fact that the script was corny as hell and filled with one-dimensional characters. The Tuskegee Airmen deserved better.
“Doing this museum, I’ve realized that most cities don’t want museums, they don’t really care about them,” Lucas says. “You know, it’s too esoteric for most people, and they don’t see them as educational institutions.”
![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Reminds me of the argument Lucas had about "Red Tails". No studio would back the project, so Hollywood must be racists. Forgot the fact that the script was corny as hell and filled with one-dimensional characters. The Tuskegee Airmen deserved better.
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I was also 6 when I watched the Holiday Special and I felt the same way you did. I remember sitting on the living room floor and at one point during the show(it could have been the Chewbacca family scene) I lost interest and started coloring in a book I had. For years, I thought that show was just a bad dream I had as a kid until I found out later in life that it was real.
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I was a couple months shy of 12 when it aired. There were two things about it that were so compelling, they obliterated just about every other detail of the show in my memory for years afterward.
One was the Boba Fett short. 'Nuff said.
The other was seeing Carrie Fisher run out onstage at the end without her boobs being taped and without a bra. For the next twenty years I remembered that brief jiggle run as being pornographically blatant. When I finally saw it again in the late 90's, I was startled by how subtle it was. You could still tell she was bra-less and un-taped, but my hormone-infused brain had clearly telescoped the significance/magnificence of that fleeting moment.
And yeah, the special was cheesy and we were fully aware of how cheesy. That was just par for the course at that time.
Hell, Bob Hopes specials were mining the same cornball type of humor for years after this.
When the TV dial had about a dozen stations to it, and no one you knew had a VCR, you took what you could get. It was at least something new with the Star Wars actors. That made it highly anticipated, event TV...even if you mostly forgot about a week later.
Or forgot about most of it anyway.
One was the Boba Fett short. 'Nuff said.
The other was seeing Carrie Fisher run out onstage at the end without her boobs being taped and without a bra. For the next twenty years I remembered that brief jiggle run as being pornographically blatant. When I finally saw it again in the late 90's, I was startled by how subtle it was. You could still tell she was bra-less and un-taped, but my hormone-infused brain had clearly telescoped the significance/magnificence of that fleeting moment.
And yeah, the special was cheesy and we were fully aware of how cheesy. That was just par for the course at that time.
Hell, Bob Hopes specials were mining the same cornball type of humor for years after this.
When the TV dial had about a dozen stations to it, and no one you knew had a VCR, you took what you could get. It was at least something new with the Star Wars actors. That made it highly anticipated, event TV...even if you mostly forgot about a week later.
Or forgot about most of it anyway.
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Lucas comes across as a huge drama queen recently. I get that Star Wars is his baby and all that but he agreed to sell and to Disney's terms. If he wasn't fine with that he shouldn't have agreed to sell Lucasfilm to them. I think he's mostly upset that it's not his vision anymore or someone taking his vision and creating new films. He probably somewhat expected Disney to take some of the ideas he had and work with them possibly overseeing certain aspects to a degree and I think them putting the kibosh on that irritates him even if he isn't outright saying so.
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That's cool. I really hate how the lightsaber fights went all Hong Kong to the point of having no real depth or emotion. My favorite lightsaber fight scene is in RotJ where Luke loses it when Vader brings up Leia. The music, the lighting, the emotions in the actual dueling. So fucking great. It's a short bit but goddamn is it just bursting w/ epic drama in that thing.
That's cool. I really hate how the lightsaber fights went all Hong Kong to the point of having no real depth or emotion. My favorite lightsaber fight scene is in RotJ where Luke loses it when Vader brings up Leia. The music, the lighting, the emotions in the actual dueling. So fucking great. It's a short bit but goddamn is it just bursting w/ epic drama in that thing.
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I think you're reading WAY too much into his comments. Will it be kind of awkward for him to see a Star Wars movie that he had nothing to do with? Sure it will be. Why wouldn't it be? He's just being honest. He could been more involved if he had wanted to be, but he lays out pretty clearly why he had to step away. What's the big deal? What do people expect him to say?
All of this stuff he is talking about (who notes they used for the movie, who had total control, etc) would be interesting to read about a year from now after the dust has settled. But to come out NOW after he has been quiet all this time right when the hype of the movie is coming, seems alittle self-serving.
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I agree he is in an awkward position when asked about the movie, but I find it odd that all of the sudden he is doing all of these interviews toward the leadup to TFA. It's not like he is walking out of a movie premiere and someone is sticking a microphone in his face, he is agreeing to do these interviews with The Washington Post, etc.
All of this stuff he is talking about (who notes they used for the movie, who had total control, etc) would be interesting to read about a year from now after the dust has settled. But to come out NOW after he has been quiet all this time right when the hype of the movie is coming, seems alittle self-serving.
All of this stuff he is talking about (who notes they used for the movie, who had total control, etc) would be interesting to read about a year from now after the dust has settled. But to come out NOW after he has been quiet all this time right when the hype of the movie is coming, seems alittle self-serving.
I guess I just don't understand what people expect from him. Do they want him to stay in a hole and never come out again? Do they want him to just heap effusive praise all over the new movie and admit that the prequels sucked? Why does it matter?
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To me he just comes across like he feels like the film will be lesser or something because they aren't being true to the vision that he had for future sequels.
Obviously he's not outright bashing the film but I think deep down he's upset that Abrams and Disney are going back to the Original Trilogy more for inspiration and basically disregarding the Prequel Trilogy which he worked so hard to try and make everything from the original films jive with. To an extent I can understand that but he doesn't seem to want to come to terms with the fact that some don't like what he did not only with the Prequel Trilogy but also the various changes he made to the Original Trilogy (hence him still trying to justify changes he made).
Obviously he's not outright bashing the film but I think deep down he's upset that Abrams and Disney are going back to the Original Trilogy more for inspiration and basically disregarding the Prequel Trilogy which he worked so hard to try and make everything from the original films jive with. To an extent I can understand that but he doesn't seem to want to come to terms with the fact that some don't like what he did not only with the Prequel Trilogy but also the various changes he made to the Original Trilogy (hence him still trying to justify changes he made).
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Maybe that's how he feels and maybe it isn't. Either way, his public comments don't imply any of that. Has he ever even mentioned the prequels when discussing the new movie?
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No, but its been clear for a long time that the vision he has for the Star Wars universe relies heavily on things that came about because of the Prequel Trilogy. Hence all the changes he's made to try and make the Original Trilogy fit in with the prequels more. Like I said he isn't outright saying it but I get the sense that's partly the reason he seems a bit taken aback by the direction of the films under Abrams and Disney. I think he sort of expected that Disney would just take the ideas that he gave them and maybe is a bit upset that they chose to disregard outlines or whatever it was he had given them in favor of the script that they went with.
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Neat promo.
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I think it's just the timing that's suspect. Wasn't he already asked about it before and didn't he just answer something along the lines of, "I'll just be another fan seeing it in the theaters"? But I think that was waay before filming even began. It just seems like his tone has changed now that there's actual footage out there for people to see and compare his works to.
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I think it's just the timing that's suspect. Wasn't he already asked about it before and didn't he just answer something along the lines of, "I'll just be another fan seeing it in the theaters"? But I think that was waay before filming even began. It just seems like his tone has changed now that there's actual footage out there for people to see and compare his works to.
Now he is all guns-a-blazin talking about the divorce with Disney, how they didn't want to use his stories, etc. Heck he even mentioned how he has not gone on the internet since 2000 after the TPM backlash. Why was he so diplomatic last year when the first teaser came out, and now a month before the movie he is kind of spilling the beans?
I honestly think he is jealous that TFA is getting THIS much attention and he isn't a part of it. (Which is understandable cause SW is his baby). I think Lucas is honestly having a hard time dealing with the fanbase has essentially moved on with SW without him and that is why he is getting his side of the Disney Divorce out a month before the movie.