Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
From everything I've read Lucas has said he had a back story for the characters and an idea of where things would go. How else would you explain Vader surviving at the end of ANH? The movie drops us in during the middle of a war and leaves us at the end with little resolution.
edit: although like with most things with Lucas the story changes depending on the day. It's all true from a certain point of view.
edit: although like with most things with Lucas the story changes depending on the day. It's all true from a certain point of view.
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I guess I'm the only one not super thrilled with JJ being back. I thought TFA was ok, not great and a lot of that had to do with his safe approach to everything. At least Gareth Edwards took a chance and made a darker film -- granted character development lacked. JJ regurgitated A New Hope... I hope he doesn't give us a 2019 version of Jedi.
I actually liked Rogue One more than TFA, character development flaws and all. Something about TFA (probably the edgelord wannabe Darth Vader villain) just wasn't as interesting to me.
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While we're on this subject, someone kindly explain to me all this character development for Poe, Rey, Kylo Ren, Han Solo, Leia, etc in TFA.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
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Poor Poe certainly got screwed when they got Ford to sign on. We know nothing about his character other than being the best pilot in the fleet.
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While we're on this subject, someone kindly explain to me all this character development for Poe, Rey, Kylo Ren, Han Solo, Leia, etc in TFA.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
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I guess I'm the only one not super thrilled with JJ being back. I thought TFA was ok, not great and a lot of that had to do with his safe approach to everything. At least Gareth Edwards took a chance and made a darker film -- granted character development lacked. JJ regurgitated A New Hope... I hope he doesn't give us a 2019 version of Jedi.
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http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-o...dameron-death/
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Actually I feel like Poe dying would have added a bit more weight to the story and I don't find his character particularly interesting. Then again maybe we'll get more of him in the sequel.
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The thing is I don't think Disney could have done something really edgy or different right off the bat and been as successful. Playing it safe was the right route to go with that film just to revive the franchise in my opinion. The films can go different directions going forward now that fans new and old alike have somewhat of a feel for what's happening. It already looks like The Last Jedi will have a darker tone.
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That's most stories though. People don't like to see the bad guys go out on top most of the time.
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Poe dying at the end of the trilogy after he and Finn have declared their love for each other and had one night of intense passion will leave us all in tears.
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
While we're on this subject, someone kindly explain to me all this character development for Poe, Rey, Kylo Ren, Han Solo, Leia, etc in TFA.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
Even Finn's development is basic "he just wants to desert, then changes his mind when Rey is capture and decides to align and fight"
But how is that all that different from Jyn's Rebel without a cause that morphs into Rebel with a cause and purpose? At least it's predicated on something a little different- avenging a family member who is an honestly conflicted hero/villain. Actually, that's not correct as Jyn's father is a real hero, caught between a rock and a hard place. The sacrifices/gestures he makes are fully in keeping with the kinds of things good people are often faced with in war-time.
I honestly don't think you will get too much character development on Finn as he will still be a big part of the trilogy, but play second fiddle to Rey's story. Poe will probably get the short-end of any extended story, although in the TFA Novel it insinuates there is a spark between him and Rey when they meet at the Resistance Base at the end of the movie. Maybe they will play up that love story in Episode 9?
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Finn has as much character development in TFA as Han Solo had in A New Hope.
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And it's kind of femme. Traitor.
One of my biggest gripes with TFA was how obvious it was that JJ decided mid-produciotn to bring Poe back but didn't bother to write in an actual explanation for how he lived. Not only that, but he completely bungles the reveal by just having him show up again and pretending like it was no big deal. I'd say it was worth it to have the character back, but it's not like he did anything or was particularly interesting.
From what I read, Poe was originally supposed to die, and stay dead, in the Tie Fighter crash. Oscar Isaac voiced to JJ Abrams that he was getting frustrated that his characters always die early in movies, so they revised the script so he comes back later in the movie.
http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-o...dameron-death/
http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-o...dameron-death/
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I don't agree with you about all that MRA/MGTOW/anti-feminism shit you spew on a regular basis, but I'm glad you're finding some comfort in the above, as I recall you mentioning before that your family wasn't very supportive of some things.
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All joking aside, you're damn right. Good for you.
I don't agree with you about all that MRA/MGTOW/anti-feminism shit you spew on a regular basis, but I'm glad you're finding some comfort in the above, as I recall you mentioning before that your family wasn't very supportive of some things.
I don't agree with you about all that MRA/MGTOW/anti-feminism shit you spew on a regular basis, but I'm glad you're finding some comfort in the above, as I recall you mentioning before that your family wasn't very supportive of some things.
#370
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I never saw Poe as a main character to begin with. Maybe a notch above Wedge, who was many believe to be the best pilot in the OT.
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re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The thing is I don't think Disney could have done something really edgy or different right off the bat and been as successful. Playing it safe was the right route to go with that film just to revive the franchise in my opinion. The films can go different directions going forward now that fans new and old alike have somewhat of a feel for what's happening. It already looks like The Last Jedi will have a darker tone.
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