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Old 09-03-19, 12:34 AM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Mike86
That explanation is fine and well, but it doesn't change the fact that it didn't work for me. If it does for you that's fine and I'm not saying it can't for other people. I just didn't like it.
There's obviously something divisive about Luke's arc in TLJ, but I still find it somewhat odd that a faction of Star Wars fans finds it so utterly offensive. I'll repost here what I posted in the TLJ thread:
To me, what TLJ did with Luke was the logical conclusion of what was set up in TFA. In TFA, it was established that Luke went into seclusion after Kylo turned, abandoning the resistance and the way of the Jedi. The notion that Rey would meet Luke and suddenly all the reasons he went into seclusion would melt away was not even remotely hinted at in TFA. I didn't find his bitterness and cynicism unexpected in the least, based on what we learned in TFA. Furthermore, I thought he was actually very consistent with the Luke from the Original Trilogy. In the OT, he started as a whiny, brash, impatient kid who had many heroic moments but whose impatience repeatedly had significant consequences throughout the trilogy. It makes perfect sense that someone whose impatience has burned him throughout the course of his life would reach a breaking point where he gives up and becomes jaded, bitter, and inert - the other side of the whiny, brash and impatient coin. Luke's final act in TLJ was, in my opinion, incredibly fitting. With Yoda having finally gotten through to Luke, he ultimately finds balance - he doesn't let his bitterness continue to rule him but he also doesn't revert to rushing in recklessly. He transcends his failures and his final act of heroism is one of calculated self-sacrifice, sage wisdom, and focused power. None of his other heroic acts in the original trilogy achieved all of that.
Yes, it worked "for me" but it also objectively worked in the context of Luke's character from the OT and the narrative established in TFA.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by dex14
I wonder what that dog's expectations were when he went to see The Last Jedi.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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I wonder what that dog's expectations were when he went to see The Last Jedi.

dog probably vomits if he saw that movie
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by dex14
I know it's too late but there should be a general SW bitching thread. It would be nice to have a SW movie thread talk about the actual movie.
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I know it's too late but there should be a general SW bitching thread. It would be nice to have a SW movie thread talk about the actual movie.
Oh, they’re talking about the movie, but it’s how they’re not looking forward to the movie. They’re so not looking forward to the movie, they will continue talking about not looking forward to it for the next four months.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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And in the end, everyone who pissed and moaned about how shitty The Last Jedi is, will still be sitting their asses in the theater on opening weekend - of course they’ll never admit it.
Old 09-03-19, 06:57 PM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
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And in the end, everyone who pissed and moaned about how shitty The Last Jedi is, will still be sitting their asses in the theater on opening weekend - of course they’ll never admit it.
nobody hates TLJ more than me, but I will most certainly be there opening week because JJ (or Trevorrow at one point) is helming it. If it was another Rian Johnson joint then I would have waited until it was on TBS.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I get so damn tired of this mentality that you can’t be a fan of something if you’re negative towards it at times. I still like Star Wars and I still want to see the film and I hope that’s it’s good. I’m allowed to be skeptical based off my feelings from the previous film that this is a sequel to. I’ll still likely see this opening night. I’m not so burned by the franchise that I hate it and refuse to watch anything from it. I still saw Solo and liked it more than most people when a lot of the really pissed off fans were boycotting it.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by TGM
nobody hates TLJ more than me, but I will most certainly be there opening week because JJ (or Trevorrow at one point...
What was the appeal of Trevorrow helming it? I mean, Jurassic World wasn't that good, and Book of Henry was reportedly a mess.
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I actually agree with Jay. Trevorrow would have been a bad choice and I’m glad he was let go fairly early on. The Jurassic World movies are pretty much garbage so far (I know he didn’t direct the second but still).
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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
^

And in the end, everyone who pissed and moaned about how shitty The Last Jedi is, will still be sitting their asses in the theater on opening weekend - of course they’ll never admit it.
I used to agree with this argument. Then Solo bombed as I’m still in shock that many friends I know actually stood by their boycott and didn’t see it til Netflix (after I pleaded with them that is was a fun movie). Now I don’t think Episode 9 will tank like Solo simply because the Saga movies have more mass appeal than the standalones. But I still think there are fans out there who won’t see it and will affect the box office. Or they won’t see it multiple times as that’s what really drives the box office after opening weekend.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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I used to agree with this argument. Then Solo bombed as I’m still in shock that many friends I know actually stood by their boycott and didn’t see it til Netflix (after I pleaded with them that is was a fun movie). Now I don’t think Episode 9 will tank like Solo simply because the Saga movies have more mass appeal than the standalones. But I still think there are fans out there who won’t see it and will affect the box office. Or they won’t see it multiple times as that’s what really drives the box office after opening weekend.
I was also probably a little harsh in my snarky comment above. I think many Star Wars fans will want to watch Ep. 9 simply because it’s the last movie of the saga. That’s perfectly fair. They’ve watched 8 movies of this series and want to see how it ends. It’s completely understandable and shouldn’t necessarily be met with scorn.

However, there are also the “I was raped by the Last Jedi and shall never watch Star Wars again” crowd who I suspect will also be in the theater opening weekend as well. They know who they are...and who they are is hypocrites.
Old 09-03-19, 08:28 PM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
^

And in the end, everyone who pissed and moaned about how shitty The Last Jedi is, will still be sitting their asses in the theater on opening weekend - of course they’ll never admit it.
I'll probably skip The Rise of Skywalker in the theater.

I rarely go to movies, maybe one or two a year. The last one I saw in a theater, believe it or not, was Solo: A Star Wars Story. I don't generally care for the theater experience; too many people who talk and make noises, get up constantly, and otherwise present distractions. I'd rather just buy a blu-ray and watch most stuff at home. And when I do go, I'll usually go during a weekday or near the end of the run when the place isn't crowded.

I'll read reviews and spoiler for TROS, and then figure out whether or not I want to see it. Currently, I'm leaning toward skip it.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Brack


Oh, they’re talking about the movie, but it’s how they’re not looking forward to the movie. They’re so not looking forward to the movie, they will continue talking about not looking forward to it for the next four months.
Star Wars is like that ex you just can't let go of.

We loved her for a long time, but she cheated on us with a pretentious doucebag who spells his name "Rian" and broke our hearts. And we're still crushed because we don't understand why it happened, what she saw it that dickhead, and what could have been. We're still hoping she crawls back to us and apologizes, even though she's too prideful to admit her mistake. And we're just not ready to move on.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Mike86
I actually agree with Jay. Trevorrow would have been a bad choice and I’m glad he was let go fairly early on. The Jurassic World movies are pretty much garbage so far (I know he didn’t direct the second but still).
Trevorrow is credited as co-writer on the Jurassic World 2, so he's not blameless.

Originally Posted by coli
I used to agree with this argument. Then Solo bombed as I’m still in shock that many friends I know actually stood by their boycott and didn’t see it til Netflix...
That's anecdotal evidence. Your group of friends doesn't likely reflect the movie going public at large.

While aggregate score sites also have their issues, the collective critical assesment seems to be "meh." It's a 70% critic score and 64% audience score on Rottentomatoes, only above the first two prequel movies in critic score.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franc...tar_wars_saga/

Metacritic rates it only 62 critic and 6.2 (out of 10) audience.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/solo-a-star-wars-story

IMDB averages the ratings to 7.0, with most people voting in the 6-8 range. Compare that to Ep 8, with a 8.0 score, with most voting in the 7-10 range.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3778644...ef_=tturv_ql_4
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496...?ref_=tt_ov_rt


It also really didn't have much hype. The reshoots delayed the marketing, and it came in fast after a previous Star Wars film, so I think a lot of people were thinking "didn't we just see a Star Wars movie?"I also don't think it had that great of a hook to bring in viewers,like "hey, don't you want to see what Han was doing before he teamed up with Luke and Leia? We got not-Harrison-Ford in the lead role!" Oh, and also there was this little film called Avengers: Infinity War that came out a month before that, surprisingly, was still capturing a lot of nerd attention.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

less Trevorrow and more that it wouldn't have been Johnson again.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I think the main interest in Trevorrow's aborted Episode IX is that Mark Hamill liked his pitch.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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less Trevorrow and more that it wouldn't have been Johnson again.
So not so much pro-Trevorrow as much as "anyone but Rian Johnson again."

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I think the main interest in Trevorrow's aborted Episode IX is that Mark Hamill liked his pitch.
A pitch isn't a movie. Maybe the Jurassic World pitch sounded good.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ

I was also probably a little harsh in my snarky comment above. I think many Star Wars fans will want to watch Ep. 9 simply because it’s the last movie of the saga. That’s perfectly fair. They’ve watched 8 movies of this series and want to see how it ends. It’s completely understandable and shouldn’t necessarily be met with scorn.
This is what Disney is counting on, which is why they are promoting it that way. Rest assured, around 2030 or so, they will be announcing "Episode X" - maybe sooner if the upcoming new trilogies tank.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Star Wars is like that ex you just can't let go of.

We loved her for a long time, but she cheated on us with a pretentious doucebag who spells his name "Rian" and broke our hearts. .
that is damn near signature line good!!! Kudos!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
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And in the end, everyone who pissed and moaned about how shitty The Last Jedi is, will still be sitting their asses in the theater on opening weekend - of course they’ll never admit it.
Not me. Hell, I skipped AOTC when it hit theaters because I didn't much care for TPM. I only saw ROTS because I read the novel first (which was completely badass) and figured the film could be decent.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Star Wars is like that ex you just can't let go of.

We loved her for a long time, but she cheated on us with a pretentious doucebag who spells his name "Rian" and broke our hearts. And we're still crushed because we don't understand why it happened, what she saw it that dickhead, and what could have been. We're still hoping she crawls back to us and apologizes, even though she's too prideful to admit her mistake. And we're just not ready to move on.
This is too close to reality for some of us.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I will still see The Rise Of Skywalker on opening day but will skip the midnight showing for the first time. I won't be bothering with the Disney+ series, Rian Johnson's upcoming travesty of a trilogy or the Game Of Thrones show runners films. I can be content with the theatrical cuts of the OT if if comes down to it.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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I will still see The Rise Of Skywalker on opening day but will skip the midnight showing for the first time. I won't be bothering with the Disney+ series, Rian Johnson's upcoming travesty of a trilogy or the Game Of Thrones show runners films. I can be content with the theatrical cuts of the OT if if comes down to it.
Why not see the movies and judge their quality before calling them a "travesty"?. Jesus fucking Christ.
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Why not see the movies and judge their quality before calling them a "travesty"?. Jesus fucking Christ.
...because the heinous acts committed by those individuals are simply unforgivable. Even if they managed to create something visionary and get final approval from Jesus Christ, The Pope and George Lucas, I still wouldn't watch it.


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