Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
05-03-19, 08:56 AM
#1226
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Creating secrecy and mystery only work when setting up a story, at the beginning. When writing the ending you have to start providing answers to those mysteries and revealing the secrets. But JJ doesn't have a good track record of the latter.
05-03-19, 09:24 AM
#1227
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I find it kind of hard to believe JJ (the master of secrecy and mystery) would just spoil the Emperor being the Big Bad in this movie 8 months before release. I'm sticking with Snoke being Plagueis, and they need to find the Emperor's secret files on the Death Star or something to figure out how to kill him for good.
I know it's just wishful thinking, but I'm sticking with my Plagueis theory to the end.
I know it's just wishful thinking, but I'm sticking with my Plagueis theory to the end.
05-03-19, 03:47 PM
#1228
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
05-03-19, 04:33 PM
#1229
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
they broke out the Palpatine teaser early to get pissed off Star Wars fans back into the fold. if TLJ wasn't such a hot pile of garbage I bet it would've been kept as a surprise.
05-03-19, 06:47 PM
#1230
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I ended up changing my mind on TLJ and enjoying it, but there wasn't much to look forward to for the next one beyond finally seeing the Jedi Killers/Knights of Ren.
But seeing as this one feels like a direct sequel to Return of the Jedi, Luke coming back in one form or another, the haunted wreckage of the second Death Star, and the Emperor seemingly returning, now I'm excited to see it.
05-03-19, 10:00 PM
#1231
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
F**k you all ... I’m doubling down. Plagueis is alive ... and he is Luke Skywalker. That’s why Luke was able to “sacrifice” himself via a Force projection ... he is undying, moved beyond the physical world of mortality.
05-04-19, 12:15 AM
#1232
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I desperately need this movie to answer the question of whether Luke Skywalker died a virgin or not.
05-04-19, 08:47 AM
#1233
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
He’s just in there because this is a teaser and that’s a good tease (even though I personally think Palpatine is kinda stupid).
05-04-19, 11:12 AM
#1234
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
TLJ made over a billion dollars and has a 91 percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Everyone in the movie industry wishes they could make “hot garbage” like that. And you think Palpatine is in there to get “pissed off Star Wars fans” back?
He’s just in there because this is a teaser and that’s a good tease (even though I personally think Palpatine is kinda stupid).
05-04-19, 11:44 AM
#1235
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05-04-19, 12:03 PM
#1236
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
but if you really want to quote box office sales, from box office mojo:
The Force Awakens...
Domestic: $936,662,225
Worldwide: $2,068,223,624
The Last Jedi...
Domestic: $620,181,385
Worldwide: $1,332,539,889
oof. ...and this wasn't because of Star Wars fatigue.
this also isn't the thread for this discussion.
Last edited by TGM; 05-04-19 at 12:08 PM.
05-04-19, 02:33 PM
#1237
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
live action Star Wars is always going to be a money maker. Solo would've as well if not for the expensive reshoots and coming off of the distaste from TLJ. They also should've kept it around Christmastime.
but if you really want to quote box office sales, from box office mojo:
The Force Awakens...
Domestic: $936,662,225
Worldwide: $2,068,223,624
The Last Jedi...
Domestic: $620,181,385
Worldwide: $1,332,539,889
oof. ...and this wasn't because of Star Wars fatigue.
this also isn't the thread for this discussion.
but if you really want to quote box office sales, from box office mojo:
The Force Awakens...
Domestic: $936,662,225
Worldwide: $2,068,223,624
The Last Jedi...
Domestic: $620,181,385
Worldwide: $1,332,539,889
oof. ...and this wasn't because of Star Wars fatigue.
this also isn't the thread for this discussion.
I guess this was all roughly planned from the start, if the Emperor's throne was in the Force Awakens art book. I'm with Draven that I'm not a big fan of The Emperor. But I have to admit, his redone evil look was creepy in ROTS. When his voice fluctuates to be deeper when he's renaming Anakin to Darth Vader was cool too. If they can make him less cartoony like he was in Return of the Jedi, and more the dark side Lucifer, that would be awesome.
Last edited by brayzie; 05-04-19 at 02:49 PM.
05-04-19, 02:53 PM
#1238
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I found him far more cartoony in Revenge of the Sith personally. McDiarmid really hammed up his performance in that film. I liked him better as chancellor/senator more before becoming Emperor. In Return of the Jedi I think his performance is just the right amount of sinister with a bit of hammy for certain lines.
05-04-19, 05:32 PM
#1239
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I found him far more cartoony in Revenge of the Sith personally. McDiarmid really hammed up his performance in that film. I liked him better as chancellor/senator more before becoming Emperor. In Return of the Jedi I think his performance is just the right amount of sinister with a bit of hammy for certain lines.
I put it down on Lucas’ direction more than McDiarmid’s performance, though. McDiarmid aced everything else; he was great until the change in appearance when became cackling lunatic.
05-05-19, 08:57 PM
#1241
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Perhaps the title may have less to do with Rey being a Skywalker (and all that implies) and more about Luke returning as a force ghost "rising" to battle a darkside force ghost Emperor in a climatic force battle?
05-05-19, 09:02 PM
#1242
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I also don’t think that “Skywalker” will be a new name for the Jedi Order or anything like that. It’ll be something with completing Luke’s story.
05-06-19, 10:01 AM
#1244
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
As long as Chewbacca gets a medal this time, I'll be satisfied.
05-13-19, 09:22 PM
#1245
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Sidebar for a moment, but I thought this was cool. Someone re-imagined the original Kenobi-Vader fight.
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05-13-19, 09:54 PM
#1247
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Eh no thanks. The original Kenobi/Vader fight being simplistic makes it better in my opinion. I’ve always liked the idea that both are toying with each other, Vader that he has the upper hand knowing that he’s able to defeat Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan being less concerned with the victory and letting himself be defeated so he can become one with the Force. It doesn’t need the flashy effects and action to make it better. It’s more of a methodical duel where they’ both screwing with each other. At least that’s how I’ve always looked at it.
05-13-19, 09:57 PM
#1248
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I prefer the old way as well, but Lucas jacked it up by doing those hyper fights in the prequels. They just became geriatric really fast by Episode 4. At least that’s how I’ve always looked at it.
Last edited by E Unit; 05-13-19 at 10:04 PM.
05-13-19, 10:59 PM
#1249
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Eh no thanks. The original Kenobi/Vader fight being simplistic makes it better in my opinion. I’ve always liked the idea that both are toying with each other, Vader that he has the upper hand knowing that he’s able to defeat Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan being less concerned with the victory and letting himself be defeated so he can become one with the Force. It doesn’t need the flashy effects and action to make it better. It’s more of a methodical duel where they’ both screwing with each other. At least that’s how I’ve always looked at it.
With that said, this fits in with what we know of Star Wars overall. Obi-Wan and Vader appear deadly instead of looking like some old farts. It actually looked like they were trying to kill each other while the fancy choreography was cool but used sparingly. In fact, I'd say it's better than most of the actual Star Wars film lightsaber duels, except for the ones in ESB and RTJ.
05-14-19, 02:02 AM
#1250
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I unapologetically contend the lightsaber fights were better in the prequels. I still love seeing Yoda bouncing around like a pinball using the force and his lightsaber like a badass. The Jedi had powers it would make sense that they would use them. But that being said I wouldn't want them to special edition them either. The video is really cool as a "what if" scenario but doesn't fit in at all with the movie. I don't remember where I heard it but I thought it was interesting that during the OT Lucas himself wanted them to wield lightsabers like a broad sword. That is to say two handed.So they take powerful swings but they are much more restricted. More like sword fights in classic arthurian movies. But he obviously changed his mind starting with the prequels where it was much more acrobatic and more like a fencing style of fighting.
