Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1301
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Since force ghosts can basically appear in the flesh (as Yoda did in TLJ) and interact with the environment (as happened in ROTJ and TLJ) it doesn't really matter if Luke is alive or not does it? I don't think Luke will have a huge role, but hopefully a few pivotal moments. I wonder if they'll keep the same "I cannot interfere" rule from Empire, or if the gloves are off now. And yes, I believe fan service is back on the table for this movie - that's not a bad thing either, Endgame had it in spades. It doesn't make for a better movie...but there's a lot at stake going forward for SW.
They are definitely playing the return of Palpatine close to the vest as there was nothing in the photo shoot regarding him in any form. I bet there is one Palpatine reference in Trailer #2 that they are saving.
#1302
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1303
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Was expecting more comments on the Vanity Fair shoot. I think the pick of Luke/R2 opens up a lot of speculation. More flashbacks? I like the picture of the Knights of Ren as that is a clear signal from JJ they’re back and will be prominent in Episode 9. Will Keri Russell take her mask off in the movie?
But, I hated the Porgs when we first saw them, and now I like them so much I'd consider getting a full body Porg tattoo. Head to toe Porg.
#1304
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Screw it, I’m gonna go ahead and call it now that it’s actually his evil clone Luuke, who’s been chilling with Palpatine for the last 30 years. I anxiously await my “No-Prize” in December.
#1305
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I agree as even in the trailer, Luke’s narration says it’s Rey’s time so he won’t interfere in a physical sense. I think Luke will be a spiritual guide to Rey in the movie and I wouldn’t be suprised if they have a scene or two where the spirit of Luke f**ks with Kylo Ren (not in a physical way, just with his mind to reflect how Luke played him on Crait.)
They are definitely playing the return of Palpatine close to the vest as there was nothing in the photo shoot regarding him in any form. I bet there is one Palpatine reference in Trailer #2 that they are saving.
#1306
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Hey, if it was good enough for Mamma Mia, it's good enough for Star Wars.
#1307
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
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As much as I wish they didn’t kill off Luke in a TLJ, I’m not for resurrecting him (Even though the title could mean that exactly). I wonder if JJ gives flashbacks to Luke before Ben turned so we see Luke in a good place in his life and that somehow shows Snoke corrupting Ben. It’s almost like we get a mini-Prequel in Episode 9 aka Godfather 2. Just throwing it out there, but who knows.
#1308
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I watched Return Of The Jedi last night. Thankfully neither JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson wrote and directed it or when Luke and Leia are talking on the bridge at the ewok hut and he tells her that he must confront Vader and she tells him to run away instead he would have.
#1310
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Good point. Also glad Lucas wasn't directing because Luke would have made out with his sister and then busted through the green screen.
#1311
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Maybe after Kylo destroys his academy, Luke remembers that conversation and wonders how it would have been different if he had run away. Maybe spent more time training and understanding himself and his place in the Force before confronting Vader and Palpatine.
#1312
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
As far as all this talk about bringing Luke back to life, I think that would be a terrible idea. Yeah, I don't like how they changed the character to fit their story goals, but it was a poetic end for the character and definitely an unexpected way to do it.
I much more like the idea of him coming back as a Force ghost or seeing him in flashback.
#1313
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
poetic end? hardly. lame end. lets introduce a new Jedi superpower that kills him at the end because he was too spent. feh. shoulda just gotten on the damned Falcon.
#1314
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
As far as the new Jedi superpower, they did the same thing with ESB and introducing telekinesis. In the grand scheme of the things, I like that they slowly further expand on the Force in order to make things seem new. I agree that it seems a little convenient for their purpose of killing off Luke, but it's preferable to Luke going out in a typical, actual lightsaber fight.
#1315
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I still have this crazy idea that Luke didn’t need to die at all. Could have had him as the wise old master who the new generation could have gone to for help when in need of advice or whatever. Much like the prequels had the Jedi Council. I bet you wouldn’t have gotten much argument from Hamill to pop up on occasion, even if he became mainly a cameo or wasn’t in every main line film. You wouldn’t necessarily need him in action, but to be more useful than an angry old man sitting on an island. Seems like there’s a notion that the old characters need to die off for the new generation to thrive which I find silly.
#1316
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Max Von Sydow gets killed off right after his character is introduced to the audience. In the Force Awakens they don't even allow a kiss between Han Solo and Leia but they'll force a kiss between young characters like Finn and Rose. And of course Han Solo has to die to make room for his replacement, hot shot pilot Poe.
In The Last Jedi we're introduced to Holdo, played by 52 year old Laura Dern but she gets killed off in the same film. Luke dies because...someone has too, and it can't be the new young actors despite them physically being on a battlefield where people are being killed left and right.
#1317
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
That's an interesting observation. For all this talk of how Disney's Star Wars is more inclusive and diverse, it comes across as pretty agist.
Max Von Sydow gets killed off right after his character is introduced to the audience. In the Force Awakens they don't even allow a kiss between Han Solo and Leia but they'll force a kiss between young characters like Finn and Rose. And of course Han Solo has to die to make room for his replacement, hot shot pilot Poe.
In The Last Jedi we're introduced to Holdo, played by 52 year old Laura Dern but she gets killed off in the same film. Luke dies because...someone has too, and it can't be the new young actors despite them physically being on a battlefield where people are being killed left and right.
Max Von Sydow gets killed off right after his character is introduced to the audience. In the Force Awakens they don't even allow a kiss between Han Solo and Leia but they'll force a kiss between young characters like Finn and Rose. And of course Han Solo has to die to make room for his replacement, hot shot pilot Poe.
In The Last Jedi we're introduced to Holdo, played by 52 year old Laura Dern but she gets killed off in the same film. Luke dies because...someone has too, and it can't be the new young actors despite them physically being on a battlefield where people are being killed left and right.
![Rest In Peace](/images/smilies/tombstone.gif)
Return of the Jedi: 900 year old Yoda is offed to make way for the jedi hotness Luke (and another!). Then the film offs an old Anakin and 900 year old looking Emperor.
I think you're trying to read too much into something that isn't there.
#1318
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
To me it always seemed like they did that shit because they painted themselves in a corner and had to find a way out.
#1319
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Star Wars kills off Alec Guinness so Luke can shine. Young Luke can then off Peter Cushing in the Death Star. Lets not forget poor Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. Roast in peace. ![Rest In Peace](/images/smilies/tombstone.gif)
Return of the Jedi: 900 year old Yoda is offed to make way for the jedi hotness Luke (and another!). Then the film offs an old Anakin and 900 year old looking Emperor.
I think you're trying to read too much into something that isn't there.
![Rest In Peace](/images/smilies/tombstone.gif)
Return of the Jedi: 900 year old Yoda is offed to make way for the jedi hotness Luke (and another!). Then the film offs an old Anakin and 900 year old looking Emperor.
I think you're trying to read too much into something that isn't there.
I'm not saying that it's affected my viewing of the films, as I've made agist comments regarding Star Wars and Indiana Jones on this forum. Just objectively speaking, I think it's interesting how agism gets overlooked.
Last edited by brayzie; 05-28-19 at 09:52 PM.
#1321
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
That said, Vader's force choke in the first movie could be considered telekinesis. However, in ESB it was used like crazy (Luke retrieving the lightsaber, lifting rocks. Yoda lifting the X-Wing. Vader throwing stuff at Luke).
#1322
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
There's a difference between telekinesis (moving things mentally) and telepathy (reading/changing other people's minds) or other extrasensory perception.
That said, Vader's force choke in the first movie could be considered telekinesis. However, in ESB it was used like crazy (Luke retrieving the lightsaber, lifting rocks. Yoda lifting the X-Wing. Vader throwing stuff at Luke).
That said, Vader's force choke in the first movie could be considered telekinesis. However, in ESB it was used like crazy (Luke retrieving the lightsaber, lifting rocks. Yoda lifting the X-Wing. Vader throwing stuff at Luke).
#1323
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
HAMILL’S LAST HOPE: #MarkHamill (@HamillHimself) is hoping to retire from his Jedi job in @StarWars’ next installment #RiseOfSkywalker pic.twitter.com/Kvdb53Sw31
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