Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
#402
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Do you think it's possible to watch a trailer of a movie that looks like it has great cinematography and be completely uninterested in the subject matter? Because again, I've never thought to myself "I wonder what Joker's mom was like?"
Last edited by Draven; 04-04-19 at 12:05 PM.
#403
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m honestly surprised how many people are down on this movie. I guess I’m basically looking at it a couple ways. We’ve clearly been told that this movie is it’s own thing and separate from other DC films, and also while this gives a backstory to The Joker, which I was initially against thinking about it more he’s an unreliable narrator. Just because this story is giving us his origin doesn’t mean anything because he has multiple origins and has been said to be so insane even he doesn’t know which one is true. If you take out the comic elements too and just take it for what it looks to be it should be a good film either way. You have Phoenix turning in what looks to be an awesome performance in a character driven drama about a man’s descent into madness. It should be a good gritty crime drama/character study.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
#404
DVD Talk God
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I think it looks interesting. Sort of an art house comic book movie. It may suck, but I'll definitely give it a watch.
#405
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m honestly surprised how many people are down on this movie. I guess I’m basically looking at it a couple ways. We’ve clearly been told that this movie is it’s own thing and separate from other DC films, and also while this gives a backstory to The Joker, which I was initially against thinking about it more he’s an unreliable narrator. Just because this story is giving us his origin doesn’t mean anything because he has multiple origins and has been said to be so insane even he doesn’t know which one is true. If you take out the comic elements too and just take it for what it looks to be it should be a good film either way. You have Phoenix turning in what looks to be an awesome performance in a character driven drama about a man’s descent into madness. It should be a good gritty crime drama/character study.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
#406
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m honestly surprised how many people are down on this movie. I guess I’m basically looking at it a couple ways. We’ve clearly been told that this movie is it’s own thing and separate from other DC films, and also while this gives a backstory to The Joker, which I was initially against thinking about it more he’s an unreliable narrator. Just because this story is giving us his origin doesn’t mean anything because he has multiple origins and has been said to be so insane even he doesn’t know which one is true. If you take out the comic elements too and just take it for what it looks to be it should be a good film either way. You have Phoenix turning in what looks to be an awesome performance in a character driven drama about a man’s descent into madness. It should be a good gritty crime drama/character study.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
This is all coming from the DVD Talk resident DC hater.
People I know are still confused by the different Hulk movies. Or call Spider-Man Homecoming a prequel.
#407
Member
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I just hope the first line of the movie is something like “As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a joker.” Phillips already looks like he’s trying too hard to channel Scorsese as it is. But eh, it looks okay.
#408
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
And what do you want Warner to do? Place a disclaimer before hand, or video statement from Todd Phillips or Joaquin Phoenix that Joker is a stand-alone, non-connected movie? People will figure it our or just won't care that much. If it's good, they'll go. Didn't hurt Batman Begins or Spider-Man: Homecoming.
#409
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Sure, but like another poster said earlier, all this is going to do is confuse the hell out of the normal movie going public. Why are there so many jokers? When does he get his tattoos? Are we going to see him get his face scars?
People I know are still confused by the different Hulk movies. Or call Spider-Man Homecoming a prequel.
#410
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
#413
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
And what do you want Warner to do? Place a disclaimer before hand, or video statement from Todd Phillips or Joaquin Phoenix that Joker is a stand-alone, non-connected movie? People will figure it our or just won't care that much. If it's good, they'll go. Didn't hurt Batman Begins or Spider-Man: Homecoming.
End back at present day Arkham. “Well it might have gone something like that.”
#414
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
tsk tsk hipsters having breakdowns about this newest iteration of the joKer... the transmogrification of the joker has been going on since april of 1940 when this sprite painted psycho made his comic book debut.
#416
DVD Talk God
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I get that this movie is probably not for everyone. But, I don't know why the concept of an Elseworlds standalone movie is so confusing to some here who say the public won't get it or what's the point?
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
#417
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I get that this movie is probably not for everyone. But, I don't know why the concept of an Elseworlds standalone movie is so confusing to some here who say the public won't get it or what's the point?
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
#418
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
While I want to see the film and think it looks good I can somewhat see where confusion could set in. We just had Leto’s take on Joker a few years ago, and now we’re getting a version that looks largely inspired by Ledger’s version. I know he isn’t, but there’s some similarities (the looks are pretty close and it seems like Phoenix’s character may not be physically transformed but more mentally transformed and wears the makeup). I could see this version being taken by some as a prequel to what we see in The Dark Knight.
#420
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
In my mind that’s a lot different because it’s literally the story of the film. Unless you’re talking about that movie versus the live action MCU stuff, which in that case is still a lot different because they’re not the same mediums of film.
#421
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
What's next.... A Wes Anderson film on The Justice League staring Bill Murray and Jason Schwartzman
This does nothing for me. Not my thing.
This does nothing for me. Not my thing.
#423
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I get that this movie is probably not for everyone. But, I don't know why the concept of an Elseworlds standalone movie is so confusing to some here who say the public won't get it or what's the point?
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
Was Batman Begins the prequel to Batman 1989? No! Was Heath Ledger's Joker the younger incarnation of Jack's? No. Was Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne/Batman the same guy as Bale's, but years later? Fuck no.
The Nolan trilogy was a standalone Elseworld Batman series. So I don't recall anyone complaining that those weren't in continuity with the Burton/Schumacher series.
So I don't see why an standalone Elseworld Joker story is so confusing.
I just think it’s stupid and short sighted to make a stand alone film at the same time you’re building the DCU with a character that has just been used and will be used again.
#424
DVD Talk God
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Because when those films came out, the MCU wasn’t a thing yet. Now people expect that sorta thing. Hollywood as been making all sorts of attempts to connect shit. Universals monster universe, the Conjuring series, etc..
I just think it’s stupid and short sighted to make a stand alone film at the same time you’re building the DCU with a character that has just been used and will be used again.
Walter Hamada was promoted to run the DC film studio and he's been cleaning up Johns mess and is the one responsible for the new direction of more standalone movies. I don't think it's stupid and short sighted. You may not like it or not like this direction, but it's been working so far. Aquaman is a billion dollar movie and is 99% standalone. Shazam! is getting great reviews and had a solid preview showing back on the 23rd.
#425
Member
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Has it been working? Everything we’ve seen at the box office was already planned up to Shazam before Justice League’s release. This Joker movie is the first DC movie made to test this new direction.