Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
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I’m not trying to go back through all the news coverage, but in his interview didn’t he admit to cocking the hammer as part of the demonstration?
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If there’s one thing I’ve noticed of actors over all the years I’ve watched movies it’s that they have trigger discipline for shit. I bet the camera that was running at the time shows his finger on the trigger guard and on the trigger. It doesn’t take much at all to pull the trigger, even without realizing it.
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Why is everyone still obsessing over whether or not Baldwin pulled the trigger?
The bottom line is that there never should have been a live round in the gun in the first place. That's the only issue. Not who was holding the gun when it went off. Doesn't matter if it was Baldwin or a PA. It's neither their job nor their responsibility to insure the weapons are safe. Nor should it be.
Michael Massey shot and killed Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow. Nobody was blaming him when he was a given an unsafe gun to point and discharge at an actor.
The bottom line is that there never should have been a live round in the gun in the first place. That's the only issue. Not who was holding the gun when it went off. Doesn't matter if it was Baldwin or a PA. It's neither their job nor their responsibility to insure the weapons are safe. Nor should it be.
Michael Massey shot and killed Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow. Nobody was blaming him when he was a given an unsafe gun to point and discharge at an actor.
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If there’s one thing I’ve noticed of actors over all the years I’ve watched movies it’s that they have trigger discipline for shit. I bet the camera that was running at the time shows his finger on the trigger guard and on the trigger. It doesn’t take much at all to pull the trigger, even without realizing it.
And, on top of that, for people who aren't trained in firearms, seeing someone with their finger on the frame instead of the trigger probably looks strange.
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GoldenJCJ (08-17-23)
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Supposedly this test was conducted by the defense team of the other defendants. It's an attempt to create reasonable doubt and shift blame from their clients to Baldwin. I doubt prosecutors will refile against Baldwin based on this test.
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ntnon (08-17-23)
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Draven (08-17-23)
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Naw Alec is more famous for calling his daughter a greedy little pig long before social media became what it is. I am sure she loved what happened after.
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I still come back to "was Jesse Ventura supposed to go through every single round for his minigun in 'Predator' or is this specifically why we have armorers on movie sets?"
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Just when you thought this case was over.
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So it sounds like they looked at the gun again and figured it couldn’t have fired without him pulling the trigger.
Of course they’re looking past a couple issues that aren’t on a typical shooting. 1. The gun shouldn’t have been loaded and it was the expectation that it was not loaded. 2. Actors are required to pull the trigger many times while filming gun scenes, 3. There are often people directly in front of the gun on film sets. Many times specifically to get a front facing shot on camera.
There is no way any of these charges hold up and if they’re dropped again, those special prosecutors on NM are going to look like complete buffoons.
Of course they’re looking past a couple issues that aren’t on a typical shooting. 1. The gun shouldn’t have been loaded and it was the expectation that it was not loaded. 2. Actors are required to pull the trigger many times while filming gun scenes, 3. There are often people directly in front of the gun on film sets. Many times specifically to get a front facing shot on camera.
There is no way any of these charges hold up and if they’re dropped again, those special prosecutors on NM are going to look like complete buffoons.
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Unless he took the gun and knowing it was live, said I’m shooting this at you and it might kill you, I don’t see how or why they want to charge him.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
It's just a microcosm of our current reality: doomed to repeat the same stupid things over and over again on an accelerating schedule until we implode.
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DeFan (01-20-24)
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I would hope this is a formality for insurance claim implications, or something to that extent. Does someone who is found at-fault a car accident get the same treatment? After the civil trial, is there a criminal trial to decide who's insurance company pays who?
Aside from the on-set death, has anyone considered how this was probably a non-special film that would have barely been a blip for us movie nerds? Who's to say this wouldn't be shelved for a few years and eventually sold to Netflix as "content", or end up on The Hallmark Channel?
Aside from the on-set death, has anyone considered how this was probably a non-special film that would have barely been a blip for us movie nerds? Who's to say this wouldn't be shelved for a few years and eventually sold to Netflix as "content", or end up on The Hallmark Channel?
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The criminal charges have absolutely NOTHING to do with any civil case or insurance issues. This is simply a MASSIVE overreach by the local District Attorney.
Baldwin did nothing criminal here. He didn't know there were live rounds in the gun. He couldn't know. They had people on staff whose job it was to make sure that the gun DIDN'T have live rounds in it and was totally safe.
Now, as he was one of the producers on the movie, he does carry come CIVIL liability for the actions of the person who he did hire to handle the guns. He put that person in charge, and as such carries the responsibility for that person's actions.
But that doesn't make him criminally responsible for something he was not directly responsible for. This is likely political due to his constant making fun of Donald Trump.
Baldwin did nothing criminal here. He didn't know there were live rounds in the gun. He couldn't know. They had people on staff whose job it was to make sure that the gun DIDN'T have live rounds in it and was totally safe.
Now, as he was one of the producers on the movie, he does carry come CIVIL liability for the actions of the person who he did hire to handle the guns. He put that person in charge, and as such carries the responsibility for that person's actions.
But that doesn't make him criminally responsible for something he was not directly responsible for. This is likely political due to his constant making fun of Donald Trump.
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Yeah both parties can look to score political points. I still think it's a terrible miscarriage of justice to file manslaughter charges on an actor for using a prop gun, that he was told by his gun wrangler was unloaded, as a prop gun, in the process of doing his job. It's insane to me.
This is a workplace accident, plain and simple. If you need to charge anyone, charge the person who was criminally negligent here - the gun wrangler.
This is a workplace accident, plain and simple. If you need to charge anyone, charge the person who was criminally negligent here - the gun wrangler.
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Yeah both parties can look to score political points. I still think it's a terrible miscarriage of justice to file manslaughter charges on an actor for using a prop gun, that he was told by his gun wrangler was unloaded, as a prop gun, in the process of doing his job. It's insane to me.
This is a workplace accident, plain and simple. If you need to charge anyone, charge the person who was criminally negligent here - the gun wrangler.
This is a workplace accident, plain and simple. If you need to charge anyone, charge the person who was criminally negligent here - the gun wrangler.