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07-08-06, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Slayer2005
BTW, Sessa is in the minority with his opinion regarding the first season of Angel. It's definitely an unpopular opinion. Infact, if you had ever read his Buffy and Angel marathon threads it's almost hard to tell that he liked either series, because had tons of really negative opinions during both. Way more than most fans, that's for sure. It's actually odd that Angel somehow made his top 3 of all time. 
With the exceptions of LOST and The OC, how many first seasons are on par or superior to latter seasons of a show? Season 1 is about laying the foundation, finding a direction to go in, establishing everything.
I don't know, it just seems like every 'season 1' is like that, so what people would call flaws, are understandable and easier to forgive.
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07-08-06, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
I was SHOCKED to see him write that ANGEL was a favorite show - that thread was all about nitpicking and 'that sucked' comments, I figured he hated the show.
Like I said often in the Buffy thread, Farscape is my all-time favorite TV show, but that doesn't mean I didn't have HUGE problems with that, & main characters I hated.
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07-08-06, 12:22 PM
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I don't remember Sessa's comments regarding Angel Season 1...But I hated it. Just like Buffy. I'm glad I caught both shows on DVD (with the exception of Angel Season 5). I probably would have never continued with the show had I see some of the first episodes from either season. However, I'm in the minority with regarding Buffy Season 7 and ngel Season 5 in the top 3 seasons for each show...
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
I was SHOCKED to see him write that ANGEL was a favorite show - that thread was all about nitpicking and 'that sucked' comments, I figured he hated the show.
With the exceptions of LOST and The OC, how many first seasons are on par or superior to latter seasons of a show?
With the exceptions of LOST and The OC, how many first seasons are on par or superior to latter seasons of a show?
Season 1 is about laying the foundation, finding a direction to go in, establishing everything.
07-08-06, 11:47 PM
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By the way, I would have mentioned Veronica Mars, but I haven't seen any of season 2 (UPN is a 'premium' channel here so I have to wait for DVD instead) but I certainly didn't forget...what an amazing show that is!
07-12-06, 09:55 AM
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Here's a link to the unaired pilot that featured Riff Regan as Willow-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrQX0jmjcYQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrQX0jmjcYQ
07-12-06, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
By the way, I would have mentioned Veronica Mars, but I haven't seen any of season 2 (UPN is a 'premium' channel here so I have to wait for DVD instead) but I certainly didn't forget...what an amazing show that is!
If I remember correctly, you are Canadian and living in the GTO area? Then good news, Veronica Mars will be airing on Sun TV for Season 3.
07-12-06, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LorenzoL
Sorry, I'm sidetracking a little bit.
If I remember correctly, you are Canadian and living in the GTO area? Then good news, Veronica Mars will be airing on Sun TV for Season 3.
If I remember correctly, you are Canadian and living in the GTO area? Then good news, Veronica Mars will be airing on Sun TV for Season 3.
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Lorenzo - that's the best news I've heard in a long time!
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
Yeah, I'm in Oshawa.
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Lorenzo - that's the best news I've heard in a long time!
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Lorenzo - that's the best news I've heard in a long time!
07-12-06, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by darkessenz
Just finished s1/08 and
Spoiler:
That was "I Will Remember You". One of the best in the first season or the series for that matter. Very poignant episode.
07-12-06, 09:14 PM
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When it comes to ANGEL, it's a bit of a detective show, it's a bit of a supernatural horror, it's a lot of a big-budget action movie, it's a bit of a comedy, and in some cases it's all or many of the above at once...so if there's one aspect of the show you find yourself not liking, rest assured it'll change and shake things up. Each season independently has a different feel to them as well.
Spoiler:
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07-13-06, 07:05 PM
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I am in the process now of rewatching the seasons... Well I have been for awhile... I am on season 6 now... almost to the end... I have to say there is a certain episode that I have to skip! It is far to sad! I just do not want to relive it all again! Season 6 is such a departure from the normal stories, however it is still all too good!
Angel season 1 and 2 are my favorites by far! I love all but 5 though... 5 was good, but it is not every close to being my fav. Doyle is a great character, and I loved all the seasons with him... Ehem...
Angel season 1 and 2 are my favorites by far! I love all but 5 though... 5 was good, but it is not every close to being my fav. Doyle is a great character, and I loved all the seasons with him... Ehem...
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Originally Posted by DarkEessenz
Strong agreement. Their tragic love story is an example of what elevates the Buffy story to greatness.
A lot of the little big moments help make these two series even more epic. That's the difference between an ongoing series like these as opposed to a two hour Hollywood film. These two are more like novels unfolding before your eyes with characters you grow to care for (the little big moments help a lot). They take the time to really explore these great characters since they have the time to do so and get you more and more involved like you would be with a novel.
07-13-06, 10:31 PM
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I just found this old post in another forum - a 'note' from Joss Whedon about ANGEL that was (likely, but I don't know for sure) written for the UK complete series boxset.
It's a great note:
It's a great note:
Dear Angel Fan...
"..and she'll have a love interest, a mysterious stranger named Angel who turns out to be a vampire! But a vampire with a soul, cursed to walk the night in eternal remorse for his evil deeds.."
No wait. That's way too cheesy. Nobody will ever buy that.
Such were my thoughts as I developed the TV show "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." I knew Angel wouldn't (forgive the pun) fly. I was frantic. And then something wonderful happened.
I totally didn't come up with anything better.
So this guy was born, and not only did people buy him, they loved him. I loved him, at least 76% platonically. I loved him enough to create, with my partner in crime David Greenwalt, his own show. "Angel". And then it got weird. Well, weirder.
The thing is, "Buffy" was a simple premise that developed into a complex show. "Angel" was not a simple premise, not for guys like Dave and me. We couldn't just have noble, handsome, dark hero rush in and save various days. We tried. That ain't life. We found that "Angel" needed to be a show about our darkest journeys, not unlike Buffy except that Buffy had a grounding; she had a destiny, an arc, a posse. We knew where she had to go. We had NO IDEA where Angel had to go. And so he went everywhere: up down, good, bad, left, farther left... off the edge of the world and home for supper and the thing is, it ended up being as much or more about our lives than Buffy was. We weren't 'chosen' (not for sports, anyway). We had no destiny. We lived on the edge of chaos, personally, narratively... even as Angel surrounded himself with more and more of a family (and we found more and more wonderful actors for David Boreanaz to play against), that central core of warmth and safety that Buffy enjoyed was missing. The result is before you in toto: The long, strange trip that is five years in the life a vampire. Not long enough, I would argue, but plenty with the strange. For your listy goodness, a few of the moments herein that made my life worth living:
With no star to guide us, we sailed into waters filled with dragons and mermaids and a few really impressive icebergs. We made some of our most compelling television, reinventing season by season, show by show, moment to moment. This is our odd little odyssey, and no, we never did reach the shores of safety, but that's sort of the point. We don't go through the Hell of existence - the pain, the drama, the meaninglessness and confusion because it's safe, or simple, or will end happily now or ever after. We do it because nobody ever come up with anything better.
So enjoy it. I did.
*Signed* Joss Whedon
"..and she'll have a love interest, a mysterious stranger named Angel who turns out to be a vampire! But a vampire with a soul, cursed to walk the night in eternal remorse for his evil deeds.."
No wait. That's way too cheesy. Nobody will ever buy that.
Such were my thoughts as I developed the TV show "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." I knew Angel wouldn't (forgive the pun) fly. I was frantic. And then something wonderful happened.
I totally didn't come up with anything better.
So this guy was born, and not only did people buy him, they loved him. I loved him, at least 76% platonically. I loved him enough to create, with my partner in crime David Greenwalt, his own show. "Angel". And then it got weird. Well, weirder.
The thing is, "Buffy" was a simple premise that developed into a complex show. "Angel" was not a simple premise, not for guys like Dave and me. We couldn't just have noble, handsome, dark hero rush in and save various days. We tried. That ain't life. We found that "Angel" needed to be a show about our darkest journeys, not unlike Buffy except that Buffy had a grounding; she had a destiny, an arc, a posse. We knew where she had to go. We had NO IDEA where Angel had to go. And so he went everywhere: up down, good, bad, left, farther left... off the edge of the world and home for supper and the thing is, it ended up being as much or more about our lives than Buffy was. We weren't 'chosen' (not for sports, anyway). We had no destiny. We lived on the edge of chaos, personally, narratively... even as Angel surrounded himself with more and more of a family (and we found more and more wonderful actors for David Boreanaz to play against), that central core of warmth and safety that Buffy enjoyed was missing. The result is before you in toto: The long, strange trip that is five years in the life a vampire. Not long enough, I would argue, but plenty with the strange. For your listy goodness, a few of the moments herein that made my life worth living:
Spoiler:
With no star to guide us, we sailed into waters filled with dragons and mermaids and a few really impressive icebergs. We made some of our most compelling television, reinventing season by season, show by show, moment to moment. This is our odd little odyssey, and no, we never did reach the shores of safety, but that's sort of the point. We don't go through the Hell of existence - the pain, the drama, the meaninglessness and confusion because it's safe, or simple, or will end happily now or ever after. We do it because nobody ever come up with anything better.
So enjoy it. I did.
*Signed* Joss Whedon
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Originally Posted by darkessenz
I finished Season 4 of buffy, and season 1 of Angel.
Some highlights for me include: (spoilerized for politeness)
Some highlights for me include: (spoilerized for politeness)
Spoiler:
Both big steps up from the two you just watched.
08-10-06, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Slayer2005
Bump. How far alone are you now DarkEssenz?
We can't let this thread die.
We can't let this thread die.
08-11-06, 01:31 AM
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I guess I will jump on on the Buffy thread too......
Watched the first season when it first aired on TV, and basically lost interest back then. The series has resparked my interest again and I am starting from scratch watching all of the seasons through Netflix now.
Watched season 1 and liked it.
Almost done with season 2. Finished the last episode on disc 5 (Go Fish) crappy episode, waiting for Becoming: Part 1 & part 2 to finish it out.
Since season 2 is really fresh, my spoilered thoughts
Watched the first season when it first aired on TV, and basically lost interest back then. The series has resparked my interest again and I am starting from scratch watching all of the seasons through Netflix now.
Watched season 1 and liked it.
Almost done with season 2. Finished the last episode on disc 5 (Go Fish) crappy episode, waiting for Becoming: Part 1 & part 2 to finish it out.
Since season 2 is really fresh, my spoilered thoughts
Spoiler:
08-11-06, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercury&Solace
I guess I will jump on on the Buffy thread too......
Watched the first season when it first aired on TV, and basically lost interest back then. The series has resparked my interest again and I am starting from scratch watching all of the seasons through Netflix now.
Watched season 1 and liked it.
Almost done with season 2. Finished the last episode on disc 5 (Go Fish) crappy episode, waiting for Becoming: Part 1 & part 2 to finish it out.
Since season 2 is really fresh, my spoilered thoughts
Watched the first season when it first aired on TV, and basically lost interest back then. The series has resparked my interest again and I am starting from scratch watching all of the seasons through Netflix now.
Watched season 1 and liked it.
Almost done with season 2. Finished the last episode on disc 5 (Go Fish) crappy episode, waiting for Becoming: Part 1 & part 2 to finish it out.
Since season 2 is really fresh, my spoilered thoughts
Spoiler:
Prepare yourself for an incredible finale and you might be a little pissed (in a good way, because of Joss' genius
).Well, Cordy is in one more full season of Buffy. After that she goes to the spinoff series, so you have plenty to look forward to and her character continues to evolve far more than you might imagine.
On Buffy four of the best characters aren't even regulars or haven't showed up yet. The character who became arguably the best character on the spinoff hasn't even showed up on Buffy yet either (where he gets his start). If you're pissed at Joss now prepare to be pissed several more times, especially after watching the spinoff; He's brilliant. Instead of giving the fans what they think they want Joss usually has had the guts to purposely go against that to keep things interesting and shocking.
08-11-06, 01:17 PM
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I got through Season 5.
I went to start S6 last night, but I realized my Disk ½ package was actually Disk ¾ (I have 2 Disk ¾ combos!) I was very upset, so I went ahead and started to download s6 onto my pc and most likely will start tonight. Instead I started AS2, and I already enjoyed it more then S1!
Spoiler:
I went to start S6 last night, but I realized my Disk ½ package was actually Disk ¾ (I have 2 Disk ¾ combos!) I was very upset, so I went ahead and started to download s6 onto my pc and most likely will start tonight. Instead I started AS2, and I already enjoyed it more then S1!
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Originally Posted by darkessenz
I got through Season 5.
I went to start S6 last night, but I realized my Disk ½ package was actually Disk ¾ (I have 2 Disk ¾ combos!) I was very upset, so I went ahead and started to download s6 onto my pc and most likely will start tonight. Instead I started AS2, and I already enjoyed it more then S1!
Spoiler:
I went to start S6 last night, but I realized my Disk ½ package was actually Disk ¾ (I have 2 Disk ¾ combos!) I was very upset, so I went ahead and started to download s6 onto my pc and most likely will start tonight. Instead I started AS2, and I already enjoyed it more then S1!
Yep. I told you Buffy season 5 and Angel season 2 were gonna be big steps up.
You ain't nothing on Angel yet. lol. It gets better and better. Prepare yourself for a very dark & gloomy Buffy season 6. I think it's one of the most misunderstood seasons after my second viewing of it. People either rank it near the top or near the bottom, but it's full of metaphors and symbolism. It also contains arguably the best non finale episode as well as arguably the best arc and finale. Its three part finale can stand with the best of them (though several of Buffy's finales are so close in quality it's almost impossible to pick the best.). It hit a little bit of a rough patch in the middle of the season (better on the second viewing on DVD btw), but picked right back up and went out with a huge bang.
Let us know what you think about Buffy season 6 and Angel season 2.
08-15-06, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by darkessenz
I started Veronica Mars S1 while I was waiting for Buffy s6 to download. I am enjoying it, and it has a very scary way of bringing back my high school years...
Now, back to the Buffyverse, I'll completely agree with Slayer2005, in that Angel just gets better and better with each season. It's a different tone than Buffy, and didn't have quite the patchy spots that Buffy, as much as I love the show, too, could have here and there. It's truly something to watch the characters grow and develop on Angel the way they do - even more so than some did on Buffy.
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Originally Posted by darkessenz
I started Veronica Mars S1 while I was waiting for Buffy s6 to download. I am enjoying it, and it has a very scary way of bringing back my high school years...
Those are great odds. Pretty much anyone who loves Buffy & Angel will love Veronica Mars.
BTW, regarding Buffy season 6, you need Netflix or to be less cheap.
Just hope your downloads are good quality from the first time they aired or they could be edited.