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Old 12-16-08, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kaze0
And how did Hiro have the formula?
Not-Nikki was pulling it out of a safe when Daphne used her speed power to snatch it for Hiro.

The other precog wasn't actually there...it's...y'know, like the end of Return of the Jedi. Symbolic!
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So, is Daphne able to "share" her power with anyone she's touching (like Hiro can teleport others when touching them) or does she have super-strength and carries the others while running really fast?

Also, How did she know exactly where it time to run to and back? I did not buy that part.
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Episode thread title is not correct. It's "Dual", not "Duel".
Old 12-16-08, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowmaker
So, is Daphne able to "share" her power with anyone she's touching (like Hiro can teleport others when touching them) or does she have super-strength and carries the others while running really fast?

Also, How did she know exactly where it time to run to and back? I did not buy that part.
I had a similar issue with that. Did not make much sense to me either.

Originally Posted by Kevin M. Dean
Episode thread title is not correct. It's "Dual", not "Duel".
Thank you! I was wondering when someone would catch that! And TiVo had it titled incorrectly as well - they labeled the episode "Duality".

So I guess Micah is going to return in the next volume? Overall, this installment was a little goofy and confusing with all the alliance switching - still it was miles better than volume 2! I hope the re-addition on Bryan Fuller can restore the remaining half of season 3 to the coolness that was S1.
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Hiro punching out Tracy was the best laugh out loud moment all season. Peter's got his absorbing abilities back, though I assume he has to start over collecting powers. I cringed at the thought of Ando gaining powers, but his actually make sense. He can't really do anything on his own, just amplify other's powers. The perfect power for a sidekick. I wonder if this will play a role in Hiro gaining back his powers.
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So Fugitives is a Civil War rip off which itself was a Mutant Registration rip off.

I thought this episode was a cluster...

Why were the "villains" all of a sudden helping Peter? Ando learns to use his powers in all of 2 minutes? Adrenaline works indefinitely and doesn't wear off? Peter now synthetically has his original powers?
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I thought this episode was a nice wrap up to a very convoluted and confusing chapter. I am glad to get this one behind us and am anxious to start the next story. It looks promising.

I had to laugh at Parkman's explanation of Daphne's time travel ability. I'm pretty sure that traveling faster than the speed of light (at least according to Einstein) does not cause someone to travel back in time. It only causes time to move slower. But I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Snowmaker
So, is Daphne able to "share" her power with anyone she's touching (like Hiro can teleport others when touching them) or does she have super-strength and carries the others while running really fast?

Also, How did she know exactly where it time to run to and back? I did not buy that part.
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I had more of an issue with her being able to run back to the present at all. She discovered by accident that she was able to run into the past. How did she know either if she could or how she could reverse it to run into the future? They should have been stuck waiting 16 years to catch up to the present.
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I was thinking The Dark Knight.
I was thinking the same thing. Trying to make people reveal their dark sides.
Old 12-16-08, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Timber
Why were the "villains" all of a sudden helping Peter? Ando learns to use his powers in all of 2 minutes? Adrenaline works indefinitely and doesn't wear off? Peter now synthetically has his original powers?
The villains wanted to be special. Giving normal people abilities no longer makes them special.

I had to when the kid from 4400 was killed within the first few minutes. I figured they were setting him up for something...and boom, he's a goner.
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I had to when the kid from 4400 was killed within the first few minutes. I figured they were setting him up for something...and boom, he's a goner.
That was good.

"We had a writer change. You're dead!" [Snap]
Old 12-16-08, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Palaver
That was good.

"We had a writer change. You're dead!" [Snap]
Poor kid. Can't catch a...break! I'll be here all day people!

Anyways, The Company is now gone along with all the section 5 people (except maybe the blue flame guy?). And how the hell did Suresh get out of their alive so fast? He got cured and within seconds the place exploded. Can he now heal (no...he had a gash on his head). What about Angela? Did she make it out (I don't recall seeing her leaving).
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Before I even START commenting - you do realize that these are sci-fi/comic book concepts at work here, right?

Originally Posted by Timber
Adrenaline works indefinitely and doesn't wear off?
It does seem to wear off which is why she brought Ando with her to get Hiro. When she stole the formula back from Tracy, she was simply using her regular super speed in the present day which required no "boost".

Originally Posted by Timber
Peter now synthetically has his original powers?
I believe the dialogue leads one to believe that his "absorb and mimic" ability has been restored. He was only able to fly because he re-learned Nathan's ability (and probably blue flame torch guy's?). So he is no longer invincible until he meets Claire again.
Old 12-16-08, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rfduncan
It does seem to wear off which is why she brought Ando with her to get Hiro. When she stole the formula back from Tracy, she was simply using her regular super speed in the present day which required no "boost".
I think he was referring to Meredith's dose of adrenaline that Sylar gave her.
Old 12-16-08, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rfduncan
Before I even START commenting - you do realize that these are sci-fi/comic book concepts at work here, right?
Even comic books have to make sense, or at least make sense in the universe that they create.

It does seem to wear off which is why she brought Ando with her to get Hiro. When she stole the formula back from Tracy, she was simply using her regular super speed in the present day which required no "boost".
Yeah, I was referring to Meredith.

I believe the dialogue leads one to believe that his "absorb and mimic" ability has been restored. He was only able to fly because he re-learned Nathan's ability (and probably blue flame torch guy's?). So he is no longer invincible until he meets Claire again.
Right, he has his Mimic power back but why is that the power that he got back?
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Originally Posted by Timber
Right, he has his Mimic power back but why is that the power that he got back?
I think the implication is that everybody has a single, inert power within them (possibly based on their personality type) that can be activated through various means (eclipses, formulas, etc). Peter's power is and always will be mimicry.
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Do we really know that Peter got the mimic back? or maybe he just got flight?
Old 12-16-08, 12:40 PM
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He also got back the ability to have a face scar.

I guess I assumed he got the whole package back, but going by previously-established show logic, he could have gotten just the mimicry, only flight, or possibly the ability to move the entire universe while he remains in place.
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So...

Is the Hatian dead?
Old 12-16-08, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GoVegan
He also got back the ability to have a face scar.

I guess I assumed he got the whole package back, but going by previously-established show logic, he could have gotten just the mimicry, only flight, or possibly the ability to move the entire universe while he remains in place.
We only saw him fly. Nathan can Fly. At this point, I think he just has the ability of flight (that he absorbed from Nathan).
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BTW,

what episode was it where Hiro went into the future and saw Ando throwing the red fireball at him? I wonder if that scene makes more sense now since we know Ando helps abilties...was he helping Hiro instead of fighting him?
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Originally Posted by Palaver
I thought this episode was a nice wrap up to a very convoluted and confusing chapter. I am glad to get this one behind us and am anxious to start the next story. It looks promising.

I had to laugh at Parkman's explanation of Daphne's time travel ability. I'm pretty sure that traveling faster than the speed of light (at least according to Einstein) does not cause someone to travel back in time. It only causes time to move slower. But I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong.
But it worked for Superman!
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
So...

Is the Hatian dead?
Writer #1: Oh Shit! We forgot about the Haitian.

Writer #2: You were supposed to write him out of the building.

Writer #1: Me?!? It was my job to figure out how to get Ando to the past.

Writer #2: Crap. Crap. We can't lose the Haitian. He's our best deus ex machina.. er.. I mean.. character.

Head Writer: Don't worry guys. This is Heroes. We'll just write in a scene in the next episode where Sylar creates some sort of energy shield around that section of the building. He and Haitian can both survive then.

Writer #1: Heh. Writing is fun.
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Lots of logic gaps as was mentioned by everyone here already, and the one-liners were cheesier than normal. The good thing is they thinned the herd, but we all know Sylar isn't gone.

I liked this story on X-Men so maybe it will be good. I understand Nathan's logic for once. He wanted everyone to have powers to be on equal footing. (That is stupid logic because if it's dangerous for a few it's dangerous for everyone to have them. Unless he's going by the MAD theory of mutant powers.) However if he can't give them to everyone he wants to keep the few locked up.

The time travel stuff was particularly annoying. Daphne said he could mess up the past if he died? Uhhh, no. He would just die and be a John Doe. Also traveling back and forward like that? Yeah, ok. Also why didn't she run back, grab it from Hiro before the dad sliced it, then go forward a little, grab Hiro and go back. Come on! Eliminate fucking time travel from this show already.
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Originally Posted by Palaver
Writer #1: Oh Shit! We forgot about the Haitian.

Writer #2: You were supposed to write him out of the building.

Writer #1: Me?!? It was my job to figure out how to get Ando to the past.

Writer #2: Crap. Crap. We can't lose the Haitian. He's our best deus ex machina.. er.. I mean.. character.

Head Writer: Don't worry guys. This is Heroes. We'll just write in a scene in the next episode where Sylar creates some sort of energy shield around that section of the building. He and Haitian can both survive then.

Writer #1: Heh. Writing is fun.


That was awesome.


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