Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
05-14-09, 08:59 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
As a side note, I'm getting a "Lovecraftian" vibe from this show now. Basically, you've got two powerful "deities" having a fight at the expense of humans who happen to get in the way.
05-14-09, 09:00 AM
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It only showed him cutting one filet, but then he put two on the rock in the fire. I'm guessing they just didn't see the need to show him cutting the meat off both sides, but it makes logical sense there would be two.
05-14-09, 09:01 AM
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05-14-09, 09:01 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
New Locke is Smokey. Smokey as Christian told him to leave, New Locke told Old Locke through Alpert that he had to die. Locke's corpse needed to be on the island before he could take that form and gain trust of the others and to bring Ben to Jacob. Smokey as Alex told Ben to do anything Locke told him. Conveniently Locke convinced him to be judged so this message could be conveyed in a frightening/convincing way. Smokey needed Ben to kill Jacob of his own free will. The rule was that Jacob and Smokey could not kill each other or make someone else do it, somehow another person had to do it of their own free will. Smokey took advantage of Ben's sense of rejection and coerced him into stabbing Jacob, pretty much guiding him the entire way, but stopping short of forcing it. Jacob may have seen this coming and I have a feeling that he is behind all the goings on in 1977 including the new arrivals of Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid who had been raptured off the plane unlike the rest of the passengers. We don't know if the timeline is altered or not but if it is then Jacob and Locke may not be dead and we may eventually see Smokey getting some payback somehow. One question left open is whether Widmore's actions have been helping either side and why Ilena and crew consider themselves to be working against Widmore.
05-14-09, 09:01 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I understood that, but I still thought it was strange that it was the only flashback out of nine or so in the episode that was pertaining to something other than Jacob. You have Jacob-revelation flashbacks for Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Jin & Sun, Hurley, Sayid, and Ilana, then in the middle is this lone narrative-related flashback. Just seemed out of place to me, and I was wondering if that was deliberate.
05-14-09, 09:10 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Shoot I must have missed that. Can someone please tell me the scene that this occured in? Cool that they addressed it...
05-14-09, 09:10 AM
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I think the smoke monster can only appear as people who died make that people whose corpses are on the island: Ben's daughter, Jack's dad, Eko's brother, Locke.
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05-14-09, 09:13 AM
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05-14-09, 09:19 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I keep thinking of the paradox from The Dark Tower, of Roland and Jake both slowly going insane from having two sets of incompatible memories, and I wonder if something similar will play into next year. Maybe something along the lines of 815 doesn't crash, but as they go about their lives they keep gaining memories of the things we've already seen on the island. Or maybe they're flashing between two different alternate realities. I dunno, that may be a bit too far-fetched.
BTW- I thought we were supposed to see a young Mr. Friendly/Tom in the finale?
BTW- I thought we were supposed to see a young Mr. Friendly/Tom in the finale?
05-14-09, 09:22 AM
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I've said this before, but I really don't think that is smokey who is inhabiting these dead people. I think smokey is a separate entity from either Jacob or fake-Locke. I think smokey may answer to to fake-Locke, but I don't think they are the same.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I think S6 starts off and we're on deck of The Black Rock during a huge storm, heading towards the island and suddenly it disappears before their eyes. They keep sailing for it and end up right in the middle (where it was) as it reappears and they crash on land. Opening titles.
05-14-09, 09:32 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I'm still in shock that after all this time Jacob turned out to be Hulk Hogan's brother from "No Holds Barred". Who knew? 
05-14-09, 09:33 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
All dark tower comments need to be spoilerized.
Not everyone in the world has read these novels.
This is a lost thread. Respect the topic.
Not everyone in the world has read these novels.
This is a lost thread. Respect the topic.
05-14-09, 09:34 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
It would have been cool to see him, or Claire/Walt show up. What can you do?
Another thing that I thought was interesting was the Kate/Sawyer 'flashbacks'. I wonder if they were also proof that Jacob changed things, in smaller ways? Sawyer never finished his revenge letter in the 70s and Kate gets helped out of that situation at the store before she runs for the first time.
Another thing that I thought was interesting was the Kate/Sawyer 'flashbacks'. I wonder if they were also proof that Jacob changed things, in smaller ways? Sawyer never finished his revenge letter in the 70s and Kate gets helped out of that situation at the store before she runs for the first time.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
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05-14-09, 09:40 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
ya jacob definitely brought them all to the island, the question is why?
like the guy opposite of jacob said "you brought them here", referring to the ship
like the guy opposite of jacob said "you brought them here", referring to the ship
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
It's a reference to a character that actor (Titus Welliver) played on Deadwood.
We saw the young Tom that was Kate's friend/lookout/love with the plane and lunchbox, later played by Mackenzie Astin in season 1's "Born to Run"
We saw the young Tom that was Kate's friend/lookout/love with the plane and lunchbox, later played by Mackenzie Astin in season 1's "Born to Run"
05-14-09, 09:53 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I loved the plotting and mysteries in this episode, but did anyone think the finale was a mess in terms of characterization? By the end, all the characters with Jack seemed to support his crazy idea, but there was no clear reason why any of them (except Sayid, I suppose) would do so. Even Jin did and Jack's idea would effectively destroy his child. And Jack's reason for doing all of this was so selfish - as Sawyer noted, Kate would probably go to jail if the idea worked, but Jack still wants a small chance of hooking up with her.
If these people are supposed to be the epitome of light, in opposition to Smokie/Fake Locke, then the writers either haven't been doing a great job setting this up or the conflict really isn't about strict good vs. evil.
If these people are supposed to be the epitome of light, in opposition to Smokie/Fake Locke, then the writers either haven't been doing a great job setting this up or the conflict really isn't about strict good vs. evil.
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05-14-09, 09:56 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I like some of the mentioned here to it being a biblical story.
Remember Jacob was very intent on telling been he had a choice. Perhaps they are playing up free will?
So let's say that the faux lock is the "devil" and is constantly playing against "god" throughout time on this island. The devil can't defeat god, he is unable to kill him (his mortal self on the island). So he needs to find a loophole and have someone else choose to kill him of their own free will. This WHOLE thing was simply his plan to have that occur which is why he said "you have no idea what I have had to go through to do this"
It explains Jacob touching the losties (sorta), the black vs white theme, the back stories of so many folks having trouble in their pasts presumably caused by the "devil" to setup this whole thing.
I found the quote in the begining interesting too where he says "it always ends the same way" with the black rock at sea. I wonder if they keep playing this game with each other to see if the people on the island can resist the manipulation of the bad guy?
Remember Jacob was very intent on telling been he had a choice. Perhaps they are playing up free will?
So let's say that the faux lock is the "devil" and is constantly playing against "god" throughout time on this island. The devil can't defeat god, he is unable to kill him (his mortal self on the island). So he needs to find a loophole and have someone else choose to kill him of their own free will. This WHOLE thing was simply his plan to have that occur which is why he said "you have no idea what I have had to go through to do this"
It explains Jacob touching the losties (sorta), the black vs white theme, the back stories of so many folks having trouble in their pasts presumably caused by the "devil" to setup this whole thing.
I found the quote in the begining interesting too where he says "it always ends the same way" with the black rock at sea. I wonder if they keep playing this game with each other to see if the people on the island can resist the manipulation of the bad guy?
05-14-09, 10:01 AM
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I at least wanted Sun to be reunited with Jin. Or is he really "dead"? Since "dead is dead..." Sheesh.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Perhaps they will throw some other thing out there about aliens or something, the statue did have 4 toes after all, something like Jacob and the enemy are aliens that landed and became the Egyptian gods or whatever. However I find it hard to believe that anyone can question any longer that this is a story about an eternal battle between these two "gods" and that whenever another ship, be it a boat or plane, crashes on the island these two start playing the game against each other using the survivors of the crashes.
I bet that Richard was on the Black Pearl and that the Pearl crashing on the island set off the latest battle, by the end of next season Jacob and the other guy will be back on the island alone watching as another ship comes in to start over.
