Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Weak episode - which did not need to be 2 hours. 1 hour of it was everyone running / walking through the jungle and fighting with Jack..
then in the last 5 minutes - everyone is on board with blowing themselves and other innocent people to smithereens, shooting non-violent people who they lived with for 3 years - all in the name of "I love kate," and "you were looking at another girl"
The ending was a bit disappointing - and I hope it does not go down a whole God vs Angels route.
then in the last 5 minutes - everyone is on board with blowing themselves and other innocent people to smithereens, shooting non-violent people who they lived with for 3 years - all in the name of "I love kate," and "you were looking at another girl"
The ending was a bit disappointing - and I hope it does not go down a whole God vs Angels route.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I've watched every frame of the show since it first aired.
And now I've decided LOST is (or, more aptly, has become) just dumb silly pants.
It was cool when the characters arcs and backstory controlled the tilt of the show, but now its just mainly them running around in convoluted hokum.
And now I've decided LOST is (or, more aptly, has become) just dumb silly pants.
It was cool when the characters arcs and backstory controlled the tilt of the show, but now its just mainly them running around in convoluted hokum.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Even if the bomb resets and 815 lands safely at LAX, I think that Desmond would still be connected to Faraday and have some memories. The island will still be there but the hatch is destroyed so when Desmond crashes his boat in 2001 what will he do there instead of pushing the button? Just fix his boat and leave? Maybe he never goes on the race in the first place because that was set up through Widmore. Maybe he never meets Penny either but has memories of her, Charlie (his son) and the island (button experience) and decides to find Faraday and Eloise to change things again.
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However I find it hard to believe that anyone can question any longer that this is a story about an eternal battle between these two "gods" and that whenever another ship, be it a boat or plane, crashes on the island these two start playing the game against each other using the survivors of the crashes.
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I actually think that there will be some sort of "reset" but that the Losties will retain knowledge of what happened before.
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Worst finale of Lost yet. They gave an obvious out for Juliet if "V" does not get picked up (or promptly canceled) by ABC. No "real" character deaths.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I like some of the mentioned here to it being a biblical story.
Remember Jacob was very intent on telling been he had a choice. Perhaps they are playing up free will?
So let's say that the faux lock is the "devil" and is constantly playing against "god" throughout time on this island. The devil can't defeat god, he is unable to kill him (his mortal self on the island). So he needs to find a loophole and have someone else choose to kill him of their own free will. This WHOLE thing was simply his plan to have that occur which is why he said "you have no idea what I have had to go through to do this"
It explains Jacob touching the losties (sorta), the black vs white theme, the back stories of so many folks having trouble in their pasts presumably caused by the "devil" to setup this whole thing.
I found the quote in the begining interesting too where he says "it always ends the same way" with the black rock at sea. I wonder if they keep playing this game with each other to see if the people on the island can resist the manipulation of the bad guy?
Remember Jacob was very intent on telling been he had a choice. Perhaps they are playing up free will?
So let's say that the faux lock is the "devil" and is constantly playing against "god" throughout time on this island. The devil can't defeat god, he is unable to kill him (his mortal self on the island). So he needs to find a loophole and have someone else choose to kill him of their own free will. This WHOLE thing was simply his plan to have that occur which is why he said "you have no idea what I have had to go through to do this"
It explains Jacob touching the losties (sorta), the black vs white theme, the back stories of so many folks having trouble in their pasts presumably caused by the "devil" to setup this whole thing.
I found the quote in the begining interesting too where he says "it always ends the same way" with the black rock at sea. I wonder if they keep playing this game with each other to see if the people on the island can resist the manipulation of the bad guy?
Jacob is not a good guy fighting a bad guy. These are two gods who use people as pawns in their game. Neither is good or bad, just different in the ways they use people. Just look at how Jacob told Ben "What about you?" in other words to Jacob, what is Ben? He could have explained to Ben why everything happened like it did, but why bother explain yourself to someone so low as a mere human mortal?
Horus=Sun, sky, healing
Seth(Set)=infertility, chaos, envy
These two were both gods and Seth was seen as an evil counterpart to Horus. Since Horus is the basis for Christ this all feels like it fits within the Christian bible, however, framing the story within a monotheistic religion won't work well.
Just read a bit on Horus and Seth(Set) here at Wikipedia and immediately you should notice the similarities between Jacob and Horus, and Seth and the other guy with Jacob.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mythology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
Edit:forgot to add links to wiki
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Interesting you mention this. We all know how King likes to write in a magical negro in his stories and I got that vibe last night from Rose.
She makes a comment along the lines of "after 3 years you people are still running around trying to shoot each other." It felt to me like a very observant comment from her, almost like she herself is yet another "god" like creature on the island there to help steer the losties in the right direction, but of course they ignore her insight and storm off to the next fight.
By the way, I mention magical negro because it is a literary tool not in a racist way.
She makes a comment along the lines of "after 3 years you people are still running around trying to shoot each other." It felt to me like a very observant comment from her, almost like she herself is yet another "god" like creature on the island there to help steer the losties in the right direction, but of course they ignore her insight and storm off to the next fight.
By the way, I mention magical negro because it is a literary tool not in a racist way.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Jacob had a chance to thwart the plan when Ben confronted him, he actually provoked him with his response, "what are you?" indeed. Jacob could have said I have a plan for you or some other nonsense. He wanted Ben to go through with it.
Jacob has a plan also and we will see this play out in S6.
it's a shame to see Locke die twice on this show.. bummer, what a life for Locke! i do hope his character can be reignnited, but in the end it looks like he was just a putz.
Looks like they wrapped up a ton of characters, Original 'Classic' Locke, Rose, Bernard, Juliet, they even gave us some closure on Vincent they all look like they will be reduced to minor players.
Bizarro Locke will take center stage.
Not the greatest of finales, but another real good season, which is saying a lot for a 5 Season, 1 Hour Show.
Some Tasty Final Season 6 Morsels:
How the statue Blew
How the Ship got on the Island
Where did the pile of Dharma corpses come from
Quarantine!
The closure of Claire
Who air drops the Dharma food?
Who is Dharma?
Whidmore's End game
The final swan song of Ben
Ileana and the Egyptian 'Good Guy' Crew
Ileana in the Hospital with bandages and one eyeball backstory
Jacob's Revenge/Vengence or other?
Bizarro Locke's New Rule
The Smoke Monster revealed!
The Others Finale Mission revealed!
Alperts Backstory
Jacks Final Redemption!
Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sawyers story wraps
Christians true purpose
Aarons finale?
Sun and Jin's reunion
Sun's baby?
Walt done for good?
One last appearance by Faraday, Charlie?
Polar Bears?
Looking forward to the finale Grand Royale of battle of Good v Evil in Season 6.
Wow this has been one Legendary Show
Jacob has a plan also and we will see this play out in S6.
it's a shame to see Locke die twice on this show.. bummer, what a life for Locke! i do hope his character can be reignnited, but in the end it looks like he was just a putz.
Looks like they wrapped up a ton of characters, Original 'Classic' Locke, Rose, Bernard, Juliet, they even gave us some closure on Vincent they all look like they will be reduced to minor players.
Bizarro Locke will take center stage.
Not the greatest of finales, but another real good season, which is saying a lot for a 5 Season, 1 Hour Show.
Some Tasty Final Season 6 Morsels:
How the statue Blew
How the Ship got on the Island
Where did the pile of Dharma corpses come from
Quarantine!
The closure of Claire
Who air drops the Dharma food?
Who is Dharma?
Whidmore's End game
The final swan song of Ben
Ileana and the Egyptian 'Good Guy' Crew
Ileana in the Hospital with bandages and one eyeball backstory
Jacob's Revenge/Vengence or other?
Bizarro Locke's New Rule
The Smoke Monster revealed!
The Others Finale Mission revealed!
Alperts Backstory
Jacks Final Redemption!
Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sawyers story wraps
Christians true purpose
Aarons finale?
Sun and Jin's reunion
Sun's baby?
Walt done for good?
One last appearance by Faraday, Charlie?
Polar Bears?
Looking forward to the finale Grand Royale of battle of Good v Evil in Season 6.
Wow this has been one Legendary Show
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I keep thinking of the paradox from The Dark Tower, of Roland and Jake both slowly going insane from having two sets of incompatible memories, and I wonder if something similar will play into next year. Maybe something along the lines of 815 doesn't crash, but as they go about their lives they keep gaining memories of the things we've already seen on the island. Or maybe they're flashing between two different alternate realities. I dunno, that may be a bit too far-fetched.
BTW- I thought we were supposed to see a young Mr. Friendly/Tom in the finale?
BTW- I thought we were supposed to see a young Mr. Friendly/Tom in the finale?
Along those same lines, Faraday thought he was able to have the mind jump in time, but what if it was merely unlocking a memory from an alternate timeline/reality? In essence, what if the flashbacks as we have known them weren't flashbacks at all but the actual timeline and everything that happened on the island is the flashback/memories from this alternate reality?
I've always had an issue with the flashbacks since season one. Were the flashbacks for the benefit of the viewer or were the characters actually having the flashback at the time? I argued quite a bit about it 5 years ago, but I still think it could be pretty important as we get closer to the end.
I also love the Stand connection Merky pointed out, right down to Mother Abigail.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
That said, they did not detonate the hydrogen bomb, just the (much weaker) atomic bomb "primer". (An atomic bomb is used to initiate the fusion reaction of the hydrogen bomb.) If they had detonated the actual hydrogen bomb, the entire island and a good chunk of the surrounding ocean would have been vaporized.
And THAT said, an atomic bomb is still plenty powerful and they should all be dead.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I've always subscribed to the multiple realities/planes of existence ala The Dark Tower. Team Darlton and Abrams have made it clear they are huge fans and even bought the movie rights. I have no doubt that they could be trying to pull off something similar on Lost. So turning the donkey wheel instead of moving the island through time, it moves to another similar plane of existence. So the people weren't skipping through time at all just to a similar reality that isn't in sync with the previous plane. This would explain why no one can change the future.
Along those same lines, Faraday thought he was able to have the mind jump in time, but what if it was merely unlocking a memory from an alternate timeline/reality? In essence, what if the flashbacks as we have known them weren't flashbacks at all but the actual timeline and everything that happened on the island is the flashback/memories from this alternate reality?
Along those same lines, Faraday thought he was able to have the mind jump in time, but what if it was merely unlocking a memory from an alternate timeline/reality? In essence, what if the flashbacks as we have known them weren't flashbacks at all but the actual timeline and everything that happened on the island is the flashback/memories from this alternate reality?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
So every century or so Jacob feels the need to bring people to the island. How long has he been doing this? Who did he nudge towards the island prior to the Black Rock crew?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Jacob had a chance to thwart the plan when Ben confronted him, he actually provoked him with his response, "what are you?" indeed. Jacob could have said I have a plan for you or some other nonsense. He wanted Ben to go through with it.
Jacob has a plan also and we will see this play out in S6.
Jacob has a plan also and we will see this play out in S6.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I'm seriously getting pissed at all the Dark Tower talk here. It's like a 10,000 page, 7-book series spanning 25 years. Not everyone has fucking read it. STFU!
On a related note, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof will adapt The Dark Tower upon completion of LOST.
On a related note, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof will adapt The Dark Tower upon completion of LOST.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Definitely! Fringe has become my new fave and the new Trek movie is the best one yet. And the nice thing about the new Trek movie is that you don't need to know the whole mythology as it's essentially a reset for the franchise.
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