cungar

Yeah if you want to start that, they didn't show Todd or the gang being pronounced dead by a medical examiner either.

Jimmy James

Another discussion topic is the question of whether seeing the bleeding is what kept Jesse from shooting Walt or if it was him deciding he was done doing Walt's bidding. See, there are tons of little things people who want to argue can adopt as their cause. That's my main point here.

dsa_shea

I don't think Walt is any more evil than food companies that sell us unhealthy cheeseburgers and other food items for profit or the heads of oil companies laughing to the bank while the average citizen struggles to pay for gas to get to work.

Jimmy James

You'd be hard pressed to argue that one with Jack or Todd, but perhaps with the other guys in the room...

dsa_shea

He flinched quite hard during the shooting and I told my wife that he got shot.

Jimmy James

I think in fact they were trying to intimate he got shot not once but twice. I could be wrong about that.

RoyalTea

If Lydia lived, Skyler was in danger. Lydia had to go.

atrium

They're not evil for selling us that when most of us can enjoy a cheeseburger in moderation. It's a fat person's fault that they're fat, no reason to ban fast food on account of them.

And Walt was very morally culpable in many instances throughout the show

silentbob007

I didn't see a flinch but I definitely heard a grunt and wasn't sure at the time if he had been shot or if Jessie had somehow stabbed him.

BuckNaked2k

Point is, he caught a round. The final shot showed a lot of blood on the floor, so I'm pretty sure he died of the gunshot.

Idea for a movie: City Slickers III: The Legend of Heisenberg's Cash.

Jimmy James

True, but by that reasoning he just left her in danger by giving Lydia a slow acting poison and then endowing her with the knowledge before she was unconscious that she was going to die.

DeputyDave

WOW. Wow. Wow.

dsa_shea

I understand that but the same argument could be made about using drugs. People make the choice to use it. The fact that it is there doesn't mean you have to smoke it, snort it or shoot it up.

sydonesia

You're really comparing the effects of meth to the effects of cheeseburgers?

Jimmy James

I'm not trying to say otherwise. I'm just trying to convince you guys that you're going to be hearing a lot of "but WHAT killed Walter White?" over the next decade.

atrium

Is meth ok for you in moderation though?

But I didn't find him morally culpable for manufacturing meth, so much as the actions he did to maintain his interests. Yes they can all be justified to an extent but that doesn't necessarily make them the best action, definitely not the most moral

dsa_shea

I'm talking about the evilness and greed of people and not necessarily comparing what unhealthy foods do to us against the effects of meth.

Matt925

I liked it. Good ending to a great show.

Mike86

To me it was perfect and easily one of the best series finales I've seen.

I wasn't sure what exactly Walt had in mind for Gretchen and Elliott but it made sense that he would do that because like he said if they give out money to charities why not give money to what could be viewed by outsiders as a charity case of sorts. Walt screwed up the life of his family and they can't do anything but think that giving him money is the least that they can do. I do wonder what Walt Jr.'s reaction would be. I think Walt can trust them to do as he asked if for no other reason than he scared the living shit out of them.

Really liked the redemption of Walt by saving Jesse before taking out the Nazi's. The death of Walt was cool too. Going back to where it started with him in his lab and the one thing that made him feel alive and for better or worse what will be his legacy.

Jesse killing Todd was great too. He was put through months of hell and was just a prisoner and Todd killing Andrea was just the final thing that I think made Jesse just want to give up for good. I'm sure he thought when Walt was there at the end he was a goner but it was really awesome to see that Walt showed some compassion for once and realized what he's put the kid through and saved him and let him get his revenge. I also liked that Jesse didn't take the final shot to kill Walt. I think no matter how twisted the relationship was between the two there was always a bit of a father/son thing going on between them. The question now is what happens next for Jesse. Obviously it's up to us to decide but I really wonder what his next move would be.

The last scene that Walt and Skyler shared together was nice too. Him finally admitting that he was being selfish and doing what he did for him and not for his family. He was finally honest with her.

I disagree that it should have been longer to me this whole final season has been putting together the end game and this was just the final piece.

DthRdrX

I thought it was hilarious how daft Todd was while looking out the window.

Jimmy James

Somebody I have read over the past week either said or quoted that Walt is a liar and the person he lies to the most is himself. I wonder when he came to the realization he did it for him. Was it during that scene with Skyler? Was it during his solitude? During the moments when Hank was getting shot or just before he left Holly at the fire station?

anomynous

Badger & Skinny Pete ftw

atrium

So a perfect finale is one that satisfies every desire a viewer has prior I guess?

Jimmy James

That was I think to mirror how Andrea was before Todd killed her.

DVD Josh

I liked how one of the last shots was a "W" in blood on one of the tanks before Walt fell to the floor.

I didn't think it was perfect, or phenomenal at all. I thought it was a fitting ending given where all the characters were. It was a little too neat, but pretty solid overall. I still think these last 8 don't compare in any way to the episodes that preceded it, but the show in my mind is one of the best ever without any doubt.