dave-o

Haven't caught up on this thread yet, but I just watched this. Whatever else you may think of this show, you have to give them some major props for learning from past mistakes and tightening up the believability of the writing....I mean seriously, I did not see one car driving around with its windows down in this episode, not a single one. Bravo AMC, bravo.

Numanoid

Just watched it myself. Frankly, I think this may have been the worst episode of the entire series. Except for some quality gore, almost every plot point or happenstance was stupid or unrealistic. That entire Big Lots sequence was a mess.

First... who cares if you're an alcoholic? It's the fucking apocalypse, and it's not like you are going to have much access to booze very often. I would have been filling that cart with liquor like Nicholas Cage at the beginning of Leaving Las Vegas. Second... His foot is trapped? Seriously, the "my foot is trapped" shtick? He didn't even try to lift that shelving unit, and it didn't look too heavy when Darryl lifted it off. Third... multiple spontaneous roof holes. Enough said. Fourth... Why don't the idiots run out and regroup when it starts raining zombies? Instead, they scatter and each person has to fight multiple walkers alone. Brilliant.

The crazy chick subplot was cool, but it was very predictable, and Rick almost getting shivved was inexcusable. Did anyone else picture her husband looking like the Iron Maiden mascot, since she kept calling him "Eddie"?

Lastly, that appeared to be another pig that was dying when Rick met the crazy lady. Between that one and "Violet", I was definitely thinking Swine Flu.

Abob Teff

Not really ... They are CG suits.

Giantrobo

He most certainly did. I just thought it looked even cooler this time around.

Shannon Nutt

I share your disappointment, but I think you're having short-term memory when it comes to "worst episode of the entire series." A few of those farm-set episodes in Season 2 were dreadfully dull.

dvdjunkie32

I certainly don't think it is the worst episode. It laid the groundwork for exciting things to come, and the Big Lots part was pretty scary and gorey. The series has definitely dragged when they were at the farm, and last season when Rick was going loco and hearing the phone ring.

I'm not sure how you made it this far if plot holes bother you at all. The entire series has run right over massive plot holes and illogical moves. In season 2, I thought it was really stupid for Rick to tell everyone to hide under the cars. It gave them no way out.

Plus these survivors are not military trained so they probably were just in reaction mode when the zombies started raining down instead of formulating a logical strategy.

Michael Corvin

Seriously? He's part of a commune now. Fuck having alcoholics there. I certainly wouldn't want some drunk stumbling around in the middle of the night opening the gate or accidentally shooting someone, etc. There is zero benefit to allowing an alcoholic in the group.

I have no problem with someone wanting to booze it up in the zombie apocalypse but if you want to do that, I'd give you your cart full of booze and send you out the front gate. Good luck with that.

They were trying to save someone. Running out and regrouping would be a death sentence for the trapped person.

Rob V

They should have just lifted the 30lb shelf and let him out

Robertwoj

I was disappointed they let the kid die the way he did. Screaming, being bit. Why couldn't one of them put a bullet in his head to end his suffering quickly? They all had guns and someone had to say to the others, "hey, if a walker chomps down on me, just shoot me in the head to get it over with."

d2cheer

That can be said for a ton of people. Funny how it gains more viewers each year but based on this board it would have been cancelled by now due to lack of viewership with so many declaring they are done watching it.

Michael Corvin

Walkers distracted by 'screaming' fresh meat suddenly hear gunshot. Where do they head next?

Between this, accepting alcoholics and leaving people stranded, I know which people in this thread I wouldn't want in my group in a zombie apocalypse.

dalbowski

Waste of a bullet. Ammo is precious (except on the show where ammo is everywhere).

JZ1276

I'm not disagreeing, but can you give some examples to back up what youre saying? The only massive plothole I remember is the zombie eating Lori, bones and all.

dvdjunkie32

Been awhile since I've watched the whole series so my memory is fuzzy. I think the main ones just deal with the physical inconsistencies of the zombies. For example, I seem to recall a zombie head that was still animated until Daryl killed it with an arrow. How could there be any brain function without a circulatory system?

Also, I never understood why Rick cut off Hershel's leg if they are already infected. Bites shouldn't matter unless it is life threatening. And the endless supply of gas and ammo. I believe gasoline goes bad after time.

Timber

They established fairly early on in the first season that a zombie bite is like a snake bite. It infects and eventually kills. Chopping the leg off made perfect sense to me. Get it out before it circulates in the blood stream.

majorjoe23

It's dead, it doesn't need a circulatory system. The Governor had a wall of fishtanks filled with still moving zombie heads.

This is the kind of thing that doesn't work when you try to apply real world science to it (zombies also wouldn't be able to hear or see), but severed zombie heads still being animated after being severed is an established part of zombie lore.

JZ1276

To me these arent even minor plotholes, but they are major to you. It was obvious to me why Rick cut off Herschels leg.
Like I said, only thing that bothered me was when the zombie completely ate Lori.

Jason

Well, she had already been cut open, so she was basically a zombie buffet

hahn

I noticed that they addressed one of the criticisms from last season - they've let the grass grow wild.

DthRdrX

AMC probably didn't want to pay anyone to cut it.

GoldenJCJ

Watched this this afternoon. For the most part I enjoyed it. All the romances at the beginning were a little silly but I guess when you're stuck in a prison yard all day there's not much else to do.

It looks like Carl's balls finally dropped. He looks like he's growing up but he's not getting any taller. Are the producers making him stand in a hole when he's next to the other actors?

The raining walkers didn't bother me as much as it did some other members here, I actually thought it was pretty cool.

Troy Stiffler

My only problem with the roof collapse was that they didn't have the budget to do it. It always takes me out of a scene when terrible TV CGI is shown. If you don't have the budget to do it, figure out a way around it.

Numanoid

I guess we know who here would be like the Governor.

FYI...he already IS an alcoholic. Whether he gets a buzz ONE night after lights out (which is all that could happen, considering he was only taking a single bottle) isn't really going to matter one way or another. It's ok to have babies, children, disabled and elderly (or any combination), but one guy with a bottle of wine is what makes your "no go" list?

Numanoid

You'd think after YEARS together, they'd come up with some rudimentary maneuvers.

Numanoid

Yeah, cause that's what I said. Heaven forbid we discuss what happened during the episode in the thread devoted to discussing what happened during the episode. I guess you just want "Loved it, see you next week!" posts from everyone?