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Old 02-12-14, 08:07 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

Originally Posted by TGM
kind of stupid that beheaded zombie heads are still active. So does this mean that Michonne has been leaving a trail of chomping zombie heads for others to stumble upon? Seems irresponsible.
Yeah, THE WALKING DEAD isn't really logical all of the time. Remember when zombies could SMELL people? Where are they getting all the gasoline? Who's cutting all the grass?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

There are clearly some inconsistencies in how they treat the zombies, it appears the VFX and make-up crews come up with what looks cool and then the writers work around it. Neither Kirkman or AMC ever thought this would become the most popular show on television. They certainly did not plan out several seasons in advance when it began. There is some sort of writer's bible but it's a fluid work from what I can tell. In that regard, Game of Thrones is much more carefully plotted and planned.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

Originally Posted by TGM
kind of stupid that beheaded zombie heads are still active. So does this mean that Michonne has been leaving a trail of chomping zombie heads for others to stumble upon? Seems irresponsible.
No it isn't. It's actually pretty common in Living Dead films. If the brain isn't destroyed then it makes sense that the head is still "living". Remember, the Governor's head tanks? Most of the heads were still moving. I think in "Day of the Dead" someone used a shovel and popped the upper part of a head off through the Zombie's mouth, but the eyes were still moving when it popped off because the brain wasn't destroyed. In the "Dawn of the Dead" remake, they found a head still "alive" in a ice chest.

Also... if you notice, Michonne cuts the heads in half through the brain region most of the time not just off. At least that what it looks like to me. But I could be wrong..
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How is it possible that the brain could still be alive after it is cut off from a functioning circulatory system? There's no heart there to pump blood to the brain. Or are we to assume that when you become a zombie your blood is no longer pumping through the body? So what in the world is keeping the brain alive? Unless someone can provide a scientific explanation, then is there a supernatural explanation?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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How is it possible that the brain could still be alive after it is cut off from a functioning circulatory system? There's no heart there to pump blood to the brain. Or are we to assume that when you become a zombie your blood is no longer pumping through the body? So what in the world is keeping the brain alive? Unless someone can provide a scientific explanation, then is there a supernatural explanation?
Er, zombies aren't real.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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How is it possible that the brain could still be alive after it is cut off from a functioning circulatory system? There's no heart there to pump blood to the brain. Or are we to assume that when you become a zombie your blood is no longer pumping through the body? So what in the world is keeping the brain alive? Unless someone can provide a scientific explanation, then is there a supernatural explanation?
Do they Digest meat?
Do they shit?
Do they breath?
Do they Dream?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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How is it possible that the brain could still be alive after it is cut off from a functioning circulatory system? There's no heart there to pump blood to the brain. Or are we to assume that when you become a zombie your blood is no longer pumping through the body? So what in the world is keeping the brain alive? Unless someone can provide a scientific explanation, then is there a supernatural explanation?
This is where you just need to accept that zombies are scientifically impossible:

http://necrobernard.hubpages.com/hub...Misconceptions

and decide if you want something to be scientifically accurate, or entertaining.
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It could be possible in the way a parasitic wasp would inject venom into a spider, paralyze it, and use it as a host for its eggs.
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Do they Digest meat? Do they shit? Do they breath? Do they Dream?
Dave, will I digest?
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Dave, will I dream?
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This is where you just need to accept that zombies are scientifically impossible:

http://necrobernard.hubpages.com/hub...Misconceptions

and decide if you want something to be scientifically accurate, or entertaining.
But completely ignoring any sense of science in a world otherwise governed by the laws of our world sucks out all the enjoyment and ruins any suspension of disbelief.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

Originally Posted by johnnysd
But completely ignoring any sense of science in a world otherwise governed by the laws of our world sucks out all the enjoyment and ruins any suspension of disbelief.
For things like the fact that all gas should have broken down by now, I can buy that argument. But if you're looking for a sense of science to zombies, you'll be nothing but disappointed by this. Or anything that isn't a straight comedy or drama.

Luckily, your sense of disappointment concludes after this week.
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
For things like the fact that all gas should have broken down by now, I can buy that argument. But if you're looking for a sense of science to zombies, you'll be nothing but disappointed by this. Or anything that isn't a straight comedy or drama.

Luckily, your sense of disappointment concludes after this week.
Why? Why do the zombies have to make no real world sense? They can be just as dangerous and tons more interesting if their affliction was believable.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

Originally Posted by johnnysd
Why? Why do the zombies have to make no real world sense? They can be just as dangerous and tons more interesting if their affliction was believable.
I think because there is no such thing as a zombie. So it is impossible to have a believable zombie. A zombie that stays in the bounds of known science is not a zombie. In the real world there exist a fungus that attack ants causing them to grow fungus stalks out of their heads. The ants then go off to kill and infect other ants. Now these ants kind of act like zombies but they are not zombie. The ants are still alive and can be killed in a number of ways besides destroying the head. This concept could work on a show but they would be like zombies but not actual zombies.

Then you have to consider other things like slow moving zombies could never pose a serious threat to a world made up of billions of people.

The entire situation is impossible so you have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy the show.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

Originally Posted by johnnysd
Why? Why do the zombies have to make no real world sense? They can be just as dangerous and tons more interesting if their affliction was believable.
I guess I just don't see how you lasted three and a half seasons expecting walking corpses to be real world plausible. Do you enjoy other horror films? How about superhero movies?

Sometimes you just have to believe that a man can fly. Or that the dead can walk.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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I think because there is no such thing as a zombie. So it is impossible to have a believable zombie. A zombie that stays in the bounds of known science is not a zombie. In the real world there exist a fungus that attack ants causing them to grow fungus stalks out of their heads. The ants then go off to kill and infect other ants. Now these ants kind of act like zombies but they are not zombie. The ants are still alive and can be killed in a number of ways besides destroying the head. This concept could work on a show but they would be like zombies but not actual zombies.

Then you have to consider other things like slow moving zombies could never pose a serious threat to a world made up of billions of people.

The entire situation is impossible so you have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy the show.

What you're talking about sounds more like it belongs in a video game.





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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

It's a disease. It attacks the brain. Somehow the virus can replace the work of the blood/heart, and that's why the brain can keep "working".

Or something like that.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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Luckily, your sense of disappointment concludes after this week.
Doubtful...they all come back.
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Originally Posted by johnnysd
Why? Why do the zombies have to make no real world sense? They can be just as dangerous and tons more interesting if their affliction was believable.
Try the TV show Helix.
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Do Walkers Dream of Zombie Sheep?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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For things like the fact that all gas should have broken down by now.
I don't know what this means. How does gas break down?
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I don't know what this means. How does gas break down?
http://autos.aol.com/article/does-gas-go-bad/
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Winter Premiere -- "After" -- 2/9/14

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How is it possible that the brain could still be alive after it is cut off from a functioning circulatory system? There's no heart there to pump blood to the brain. Or are we to assume that when you become a zombie your blood is no longer pumping through the body? So what in the world is keeping the brain alive? Unless someone can provide a scientific explanation, then is there a supernatural explanation?
Dr Frankenstein (Logan) explains it in Day of The Dead. It has something to do with latent primitive ooze in the brain being reawakened by some kind of crisis or event. There is even a chance of it not being biological, could be supernatural. Think voodooism, no more room left in Hell and etc.

To answer another question posted earlier, by cutting the jaws and arms off of a walker, it dovetails aggresion and the need to feed. I think Kirkman explains that in the comic.
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Do they Dream?
That's what I'm waiting for. Higher functional walkers. They've been infected for a long time, surely the brain could sort things out to a certain extent. Haven't they observed this type of thing in accident victims?
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Yeah, THE WALKING DEAD isn't really logical all of the time. Remember when zombies could SMELL people? Where are they getting all the gasoline? Who's cutting all the grass?
Zombie's are herbivores silly, everyone knows that

The episode was ok, the last line was the best if you ask me... it seems like they are concentrate pretty heavily on developing some characters like Michonne and Darryl.
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
I guess I just don't see how you lasted three and a half seasons expecting walking corpses to be real world plausible. Do you enjoy other horror films? How about superhero movies?

Sometimes you just have to believe that a man can fly. Or that the dead can walk.
I am not a big horror fan, no. Like superhero movies a good bit. My favorite books are all fantasy where you have to believe that fantastical elements but many fantasy books have such detailed world building that the elements are believable and consistent within that world.

So I have actually no problem suspending disbelief for some core elements. I am not suggesting that they have to have an explanation that holds up to medical scrutiny (because it can't), but WD makes NO attempt whatsoever to make sense or even be even remotely consistent. Whatever is cool for a particular scene is thrown in regardless of whether it makes any sense with what they have seen before.

In addition the zombies in WD are paradoxical in the show: ravenously hungry for human flesh but essentially immortal and not requiring any type of sustenance to maintain fairly vigorous function. Would it be so hard to just have a disease that killed their "self" and made them essentially decompose if they did not get a LOT of food, so they become senseless killing machines preying on all living things including humans?

WDs problems are clearly not a big deal for a lot of viewers but there are so many that they ruin the experience for me. Endless supply of new looking cars and gas. Mown lawns. Nice houses completely untouched and unlooted except for the random boogie man zombie behind the door. Endless roads completely free of cars. Everyone is completely psycho and militant and willing to have shoot outs at the drop of a hat. No one really works together. Big ones: food and clean water have never been an issue in the show. For that matter neither was formula or diapers or arsenals of automatic weapons and ammo.

Some things that dont bother me are the fact that everyone is pretty much the worlds best marksman with a pistol (but can't hit a single person with automatic weapons tanks or missiles). Or bow. Zombies heads are soft enough to easily be pierced by anything sharp, but never cave in on their own. All zombies still have their clothes at least a couple years after wearing them every day outside.


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