davidh777

People have speculated that it was passed to Tommen. Because that's where it would be put to best use, of course.

mwbmis

Yeah, I don't think Tywin would have ever let that sword get buried with Joffrey.

dhmac

Also given that the greyscale is only on his left arm, couldn't Ser Jorah (aka Ser Friendzone) just have that arm amputated to stop the greyscale from spreading to the rest of his body?

HN

"khaleesi, I've done it, I've found the cure for the greyscale!"

"Bring forth the maester that cleansed you of this affliction that I may bestow upon him the riches he has earned"

"No, my queen, it was I! I have severed the wretched arm and stopped the spread!"

"What good to me is a knight with one arm and possible infecundity? I banish you!"

"But..."

"Go"

*whomp* *whomp*

CaptainMarvel

(cue incoming zombie arm graft from Qyburn in 3... 2... 1...)

Why So Blu?

zuffy

While the episode was awesome I am not too thrilled with the time travel plot. Just feel sci-fi-ish.

bluetoast

Wait. Dany said she couldn't take Jorah back (due to banishing him twice) after all that? Fuck that shit. Though after finding out about the greyscale, she sort of changed her tune. But holy shit, what would it take for Jorah to get back on her good side if if wasn't for that.

Greedoshotfirst

But as far as I know, It isn't Time Travel in the literal sense. Like, he can't go back and change the red wedding or kill Jamie Lannister or something. It is sc-fi I suppose, but George Martin has said he wanted to meld that within his world.

HN

This was more Inception than Back to the Future

chowderhead

fujishig

Ok if that turns out to be even partially true, I'll agree with others that they should never have opened up the time travel can of worms in the first place.

Draven

I didn't even think of it as time travel. To me it was more like Bastian talking to the Childlike Empress at the end of The Neverending Story. Magic tying two people together.

Josh-da-man

Granted, they may change things up from the books, but in the books, wasn't

Supermallet

Seems pretty inept of the Three-Eyed Raven to never tell Bran that he can affect and be affected by the dreamworld or whatever it's called. Honestly, that whole portion of the plot feels terribly undeveloped in the show. If it's so important that it might tie into kicking the whole story into motion, the rules should really be set up a lot more clearly.

bluetoast

Yeah, but he knew that Bran would have to fuck up, since Hodor already exists.

jfoobar

Decker

Along that line, it seems kind of weird that the Three Eyed Raven, knowing that all Hell was about to be coming to the tree, decides to spend their last precious moments together on an uneventful flashback at Winterfell. Wasn't there something else more important they could have been viewing?
If I'm told the Russians are rapidly advancing an invading army to my house, I won't choose that moment to start watching some Little House on the Prairie episodes.

bluetoast

The point was so Bran could warg into Hodor/see what happens to him- it pretty much had to go down, since it "already happened". Other than that, the Raven guy was uploading (or whatever) as much as possible into Bran when the walkers were coming.

rw2516

Had we seen this flashback in an earlier episode we wouldn't know what it referred to either. However, the people standing around witnessed to same thing we did, and would know what we know, in essence, that one day Hodor went into some kind of seizure, yelling "Hold the door!" and by the time the seizure ended all he could say was the shortened "Hodor". They wouldn't know why it happened but would know what happened and what "Hodor" meant.
Ned Stark was around then, so he and everybody else knew what happened to Hodor and what "Hodor" meant, just not why.

Decker

I don't get that. If he's uploading as much info as possible, I'd expect it to look like the end of 2001 with all these lights flying towards him. Instead we see Bran warging into the past so he can hang out in Winterfell and watch the kids learn to sword fight. If he's simultaneously getting a Spock-like memory dump, it wasn't at all apparent to me.

And while Hodor's sacrifice was very touching emotionally,it bought them what, a 30 seconds head start? For the sake of story, they get away, but based on what we just saw, that seems like a stretch.

Timber

Maybe the point of going into that vision wasn't Hodor but was meant by 3ER to show Bran something else but as has been said the Hodor thing was always what was going to happen there. We don't know where that vision was going before Bran had to worg into Hodor.

Greedoshotfirst

But that isn't the whole point. Hodor needed to be where he was at, it was already predestined to happen. I'm pretty sure Bran is going to escape somehow and IMO it will partly be because of Hodor's Sacrifice. Also I believe this event needed to go down to show Bran what kind of power he possesses and it's the event that leads him down the path to become the three-eyed Raven.

Now I'm going to say some spoilers about what I think happens next episode, but I don't know for sure. If you want to read you can....

Decker

I watched that scene again on "After The Thrones" last night. With Willis' heavy accent, he starts yelling something that sounds like "Hoe-Di-Door!" And keeps repeating it until it shortens to Hodor. In the moment, witnessing the tragedy unfold, I can buy that people would later recall that he suddenly started saying Hodor out of nowhere.

HN