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Originally Posted by flashburn
More pricing info here:
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/1307/
At the prices of peripherals I guess I will just get the $400 package, as they want $100 for the hard drive alone.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/1307/
At the prices of peripherals I guess I will just get the $400 package, as they want $100 for the hard drive alone.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
Wow, all the accessories are REALLY overpriced. $40 controllers, $100 wireless adaptor....yep, MS will piss lots of people off.
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Originally Posted by Flay
Wow, that's wild. $100 for the wireless adaptor!
It seems the inmates are running the asylum over at MS. I guess they have no interest in being the #1 console next generation.
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Yeah, $100 for a wireless adapter is ridiculous and just 100% put the nail in the coffin for me buying a 360.
Fuck that, wireless should be included. As it is in the Revolution and I believe the PS3. So you're looking at $500 for full wirless Live functionality. Or $400 and an ethenet cable strung from my bedroom to my living room. Ridiculous.
Fuck that, wireless should be included. As it is in the Revolution and I believe the PS3. So you're looking at $500 for full wirless Live functionality. Or $400 and an ethenet cable strung from my bedroom to my living room. Ridiculous.
#357
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System + 1 game + tax = $487
A half a fucking grand. No thanks.
BTW, the bare bones system w/o component? I thought the big focus was hi-def gaming. WTF is up with that? Makes the low end system pointless.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
Use a different wireless adaptor....I'm sure they just plug into USB, you can use ANY, not the overpiced MS one.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
Use a different wireless adaptor....I'm sure they just plug into USB, you can use ANY, not the overpiced MS one.
I was under the impression that you had to buy their kit (or perhaps a third party one made just for the X-box). And that you had to have your own wireless router that the kit was just the adapter for the X-box to pick up the wireless signal (i.e. like a wireless notebook card for your laptop).
I could be dead wrong though as I didn't research it that carefully as I had little interet in live and only got broadband recently.
At any rate, I'd be surprised if MS let you use any, they're as greedy as any big company and need to make up the money they lose on each console sold by selling overpriced, proprietary accessories.
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What are the specs on the wireless adapter? I wouldn't be surprised if it was Wireless-B only.
The current Xbox can be hooked up to most wireless bridges. Note that these are significantly more expensive than normal routers and receivers.
The current Xbox can be hooked up to most wireless bridges. Note that these are significantly more expensive than normal routers and receivers.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I guess they have no interest in being the #1 console next generation.
Hell, MS is leaving the door is wide open for Nintendo to take #2 at this rate.
#362
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You will need your own wireless router. The signal has to come from somewhere. The current xbox can use any bridge that hooks up with an ethernet connection. I'm sure the 360 won't be any different.
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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/642/642645p1.html
Peter Moore interview about the 2 choices:
IGN: Why did you decide to offer two SKUs, isn't that confusing for the consumer?
Peter Moore: If there is a lesson I think we have learned in the previous generation is that gamers want choice. Some gamers want simply to play a game and have none of the, in their estimation, some of the frills of the gaming experience, and price becomes paramount for them. At the same time, we believe it's important to offer them the ability to set up and upgrade. But if price becomes the key factor, we wanted to have that as well for as a choice for the consumer. $299 is a spectacular price point. And certainly in Europe in particular, I think we learned our lesson, that 479 euros and a March launch was not the optimal mix of what was going on.
IGN: How do you see the split between the two prices working out? Will it be different in North America than in Europe?
Peter: I think that a large majority of people all over the world will be buying the Xbox 360 systems ($399). Europe is a much more price-sensitive market, in particular continental Europe, where the primary mode of distribution becomes what is known as the hyper-markets. It's incredibly important for us to offer that 299 euro price point. We've got great aspirations, as you know, to build critical mass in this next generation, and doing that without offering a competitive price point in all markets is something that we thought would be a negative.
At the same time, we wanted to offer a value package system with the Xbox 360 that gave what we believe every next generational gamer is looking for, the ability have storage, to have videos, music, to have photos, great games in minimum 720p, and the ability to use wireless technology, everything we've shown in all the demos we shown you, and everything costs money. But the ability to have a hard-drive alone costs $100. So we really think the consumer will recognize the value and step up. But there are some people who just don't want to do that. They may upgrade later on, and that is what the core system is all about.
IGN: Do you think that gamers will by more of one SKU that the other? Do you have research that proves the higher price point is going to take off?
Peter: My firm belief, and in all of the discussions I've had in the last couple days with the analysts who are starting to look at this and tear this thing apart, is that the great majority of sales will be at $399. That is huge value for the money. We absolutely project that the Xbox 360 will outsell the Core System in the early going. Over the life cycle that balance will probably change, but for $399, it's phenomenal value.
IGN: Will the hard drive come pre-loaded with Halo and Halo 2 on it?
Peter: We want, out of the box, a high definition experience for consumers, and the hard-drive will have content loaded on it at launch. It will contain video, not necessarily related to videogames. I can't get into the details, we're just weeks away from making those announcements, but they will be pre-loaded, no charge for it. We'll be working with partners to ensure its entertaining to the demographic, and that's very important.
We have no plans to have Halo or Halo 2 loaded on the hard drive right now. For us, I believe, we need to focus on high definition experiences. Halo 2 is arguably close to high definition. Halo was built in standard definition, as you know, but the idea of putting stuff on the hard drive is to have an instant, out-of-the-box experience in high definition.
IGN: How do you like the wireless controller?
Peter: Having spent the last three nights with a wireless controller, sitting back 30 feet from the TV almost in a different room, I love it. The ability to turn on your console from the wireless controller is one of my favorite features because now I don't have to move one iota off the couch anymore.
IGN: In what way will you work with third-party peripheral companies to create controllers, memory cards, and other third-party products?
Peter: The quality of the current generation of peripherals for us has been like, if you will, the Wild West. It has not been, I believe, that of a quality or consistent experience. So we are trying to get a better grip on that, quite frankly.
IGN: What's the launch date?
Peter: As you know, we have yet to announce a launch day or date in any territory. We're saving that information for a later date. It's important for us from a strategic standpoint to not reveal that date to our competitors, but we're gearing up and we're on schedule for a holiday launch this year.
IGN: Surely, you know how important launching prior to Thanksgiving is in North American. The Xbox 360 isn't going to launch any time after that date, which is the unofficially kick-off to winter hoiliday shopping.
Peter: Thanksgiving is very important to us, in the US. That's the only country to celebrate that particular holiday, but that time period is very important. Some people say that the holiday season starts the day after, while others say it's early December. The point is we're not ready to reveal that date yet, but when we do you'll be the first to know. We can't talk about it yet.
IGN: What is the status of Perfect Dark Zero? How is that looking? Is it ready for launch?
Peter: Well, I brought home a beta kit last night and I played it for three hours last night with my son, who's a huge GoldenEye and Perfect Dark fan. It's intuitive, it's looking beautiful, and it's come a long way since we showed it at E3. Rare is doing an excellent job with that one. The framerate is solid, and it's good fun. Of course, it's a different experience than Halo or Halo 2 are, but in comparison, you'll be able to do things online with that game, involving many more people, than you could with Halo 2. I can't say anything more than that."
Peter Moore interview about the 2 choices:
IGN: Why did you decide to offer two SKUs, isn't that confusing for the consumer?
Peter Moore: If there is a lesson I think we have learned in the previous generation is that gamers want choice. Some gamers want simply to play a game and have none of the, in their estimation, some of the frills of the gaming experience, and price becomes paramount for them. At the same time, we believe it's important to offer them the ability to set up and upgrade. But if price becomes the key factor, we wanted to have that as well for as a choice for the consumer. $299 is a spectacular price point. And certainly in Europe in particular, I think we learned our lesson, that 479 euros and a March launch was not the optimal mix of what was going on.
IGN: How do you see the split between the two prices working out? Will it be different in North America than in Europe?
Peter: I think that a large majority of people all over the world will be buying the Xbox 360 systems ($399). Europe is a much more price-sensitive market, in particular continental Europe, where the primary mode of distribution becomes what is known as the hyper-markets. It's incredibly important for us to offer that 299 euro price point. We've got great aspirations, as you know, to build critical mass in this next generation, and doing that without offering a competitive price point in all markets is something that we thought would be a negative.
At the same time, we wanted to offer a value package system with the Xbox 360 that gave what we believe every next generational gamer is looking for, the ability have storage, to have videos, music, to have photos, great games in minimum 720p, and the ability to use wireless technology, everything we've shown in all the demos we shown you, and everything costs money. But the ability to have a hard-drive alone costs $100. So we really think the consumer will recognize the value and step up. But there are some people who just don't want to do that. They may upgrade later on, and that is what the core system is all about.
IGN: Do you think that gamers will by more of one SKU that the other? Do you have research that proves the higher price point is going to take off?
Peter: My firm belief, and in all of the discussions I've had in the last couple days with the analysts who are starting to look at this and tear this thing apart, is that the great majority of sales will be at $399. That is huge value for the money. We absolutely project that the Xbox 360 will outsell the Core System in the early going. Over the life cycle that balance will probably change, but for $399, it's phenomenal value.
IGN: Will the hard drive come pre-loaded with Halo and Halo 2 on it?
Peter: We want, out of the box, a high definition experience for consumers, and the hard-drive will have content loaded on it at launch. It will contain video, not necessarily related to videogames. I can't get into the details, we're just weeks away from making those announcements, but they will be pre-loaded, no charge for it. We'll be working with partners to ensure its entertaining to the demographic, and that's very important.
We have no plans to have Halo or Halo 2 loaded on the hard drive right now. For us, I believe, we need to focus on high definition experiences. Halo 2 is arguably close to high definition. Halo was built in standard definition, as you know, but the idea of putting stuff on the hard drive is to have an instant, out-of-the-box experience in high definition.
IGN: How do you like the wireless controller?
Peter: Having spent the last three nights with a wireless controller, sitting back 30 feet from the TV almost in a different room, I love it. The ability to turn on your console from the wireless controller is one of my favorite features because now I don't have to move one iota off the couch anymore.
IGN: In what way will you work with third-party peripheral companies to create controllers, memory cards, and other third-party products?
Peter: The quality of the current generation of peripherals for us has been like, if you will, the Wild West. It has not been, I believe, that of a quality or consistent experience. So we are trying to get a better grip on that, quite frankly.
IGN: What's the launch date?
Peter: As you know, we have yet to announce a launch day or date in any territory. We're saving that information for a later date. It's important for us from a strategic standpoint to not reveal that date to our competitors, but we're gearing up and we're on schedule for a holiday launch this year.
IGN: Surely, you know how important launching prior to Thanksgiving is in North American. The Xbox 360 isn't going to launch any time after that date, which is the unofficially kick-off to winter hoiliday shopping.
Peter: Thanksgiving is very important to us, in the US. That's the only country to celebrate that particular holiday, but that time period is very important. Some people say that the holiday season starts the day after, while others say it's early December. The point is we're not ready to reveal that date yet, but when we do you'll be the first to know. We can't talk about it yet.
IGN: What is the status of Perfect Dark Zero? How is that looking? Is it ready for launch?
Peter: Well, I brought home a beta kit last night and I played it for three hours last night with my son, who's a huge GoldenEye and Perfect Dark fan. It's intuitive, it's looking beautiful, and it's come a long way since we showed it at E3. Rare is doing an excellent job with that one. The framerate is solid, and it's good fun. Of course, it's a different experience than Halo or Halo 2 are, but in comparison, you'll be able to do things online with that game, involving many more people, than you could with Halo 2. I can't say anything more than that."
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Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
Use a different wireless adaptor....I'm sure they just plug into USB, you can use ANY, not the overpiced MS one.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Who said this was negative? I think its funny that MS spoke of a wireless controller standard, and a hard drive standard, but didn't deliver, but I never said it was a bad thing. I'm just reporting the news... don't shoot the poster.
For the record I think it is dumb. The kneecapped 360 is not worth any hardcore gamers time (that's the 90% of the early adopters right?) and yet most of us wouldn't shell out the significant amout for the 'value' pack which is heading into price shafting territory. So 360=no sale.
I think I'd rightfully feel betrayed with no HDD by default, since Allard always said that not developing directly to the HDD for performance was a continguency for a) times when the HDD was not attached to the 360 (well hey we don't even have 1 here so i guess thats covered), and b) for a possible future version that might use alternative storage. Of course it was always strongly hinted that this not for the forseeable future, in the same way that a HD-DVD 360 was also not for the forseeable future (of course even mentioning that was retarded move).
MS has played it very smart till now (despite what others would say) so seeing such a massive #$%* up is quite sad indeed.
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At the same time, we wanted to offer a value package system with the Xbox 360 that gave what we believe every next generational gamer is looking for, the ability have storage, to have videos, music, to have photos, great games in minimum 720p, and the ability to use wireless technology, everything we've shown in all the demos we shown you, and everything costs money.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Hell, MS is leaving the door is wide open for Nintendo to take #2 at this rate.
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I wonder if the $399 package will be called a "Value Pack"
Peter:At the same time, we wanted to offer a value package system with the Xbox 360 that gave what we believe every next generational gamer is looking for...
Peter: As you know, we have yet to announce a launch day or date in any territory. We're saving that information for a later date. It's important for us from a strategic standpoint to not reveal that date to our competitors, but we're gearing up and we're on schedule for a holiday launch this year.
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First Zelda being delayed, now this.
I don't know if I want to pay that much for a console. I remember thinking that the PS2 launch was crazy expensive!
Forty bucks for a controller? How much was the Wavebird when it first came out? $100 for the wireless adaptor? Am I the only one who felt like the whole wireless aspect was going to be a basic (and integral) part of the 360?
Will I ever need the hard drive? I have never played anyone over the Internet, and I'm not so sure if I will. What other purpose would there be to get the HD? Despite my hesitation as to whether I will ever need the HD, it seems as if the $400 package might be the one to get since it comes with the wireless controller and the HD (as opposed to buying the two separate). Microsoft seems to be herding us towards that deal.
Despite all of the absurd pricing and all of us grumbling over it, I REALLY hope that the GAMES are good. Because that's what it all comes down to, and right now Sony has a good fall lineup. Nintendo slipped with the Zelda delay, but there are some good DS games coming out.
Am I the only one who feels as if we still don't know that much about the 360 games? For some strange reason the emphasis seems to be on the hardware. I don't really care about the 360's ability to access the Internet and use AIM; I want to play some great next generation games! I already have a computer and a DVD player. The whole integration/MS Media Center feature of 360 doesn't really appeal to me although I do like the idea of a wireless system.
While the MS Media Center features are nice, I want to play good games. And Microsoft seems to be slipping on that one. We can accuse Sony of doing the same with all of the talk of Cell architecture and Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, but at least it feels like there is still a focus on the games.
Anyways, sorry for the rant and for sounding so jaded. I could be wrong about all of this and I probably will buy a 360 at launch. But PZ0 better be worth dropping so much on a console at launch.
I don't know if I want to pay that much for a console. I remember thinking that the PS2 launch was crazy expensive!
Forty bucks for a controller? How much was the Wavebird when it first came out? $100 for the wireless adaptor? Am I the only one who felt like the whole wireless aspect was going to be a basic (and integral) part of the 360?
Will I ever need the hard drive? I have never played anyone over the Internet, and I'm not so sure if I will. What other purpose would there be to get the HD? Despite my hesitation as to whether I will ever need the HD, it seems as if the $400 package might be the one to get since it comes with the wireless controller and the HD (as opposed to buying the two separate). Microsoft seems to be herding us towards that deal.
Despite all of the absurd pricing and all of us grumbling over it, I REALLY hope that the GAMES are good. Because that's what it all comes down to, and right now Sony has a good fall lineup. Nintendo slipped with the Zelda delay, but there are some good DS games coming out.
Am I the only one who feels as if we still don't know that much about the 360 games? For some strange reason the emphasis seems to be on the hardware. I don't really care about the 360's ability to access the Internet and use AIM; I want to play some great next generation games! I already have a computer and a DVD player. The whole integration/MS Media Center feature of 360 doesn't really appeal to me although I do like the idea of a wireless system.
While the MS Media Center features are nice, I want to play good games. And Microsoft seems to be slipping on that one. We can accuse Sony of doing the same with all of the talk of Cell architecture and Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, but at least it feels like there is still a focus on the games.
Anyways, sorry for the rant and for sounding so jaded. I could be wrong about all of this and I probably will buy a 360 at launch. But PZ0 better be worth dropping so much on a console at launch.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
It seems the inmates are running the asylum over at MS. I guess they have no interest in being the #1 console next generation.
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Definitely have to agree on this one.
Hell, MS is leaving the door is wide open for Nintendo to take #2 at this rate.
Hell, MS is leaving the door is wide open for Nintendo to take #2 at this rate.
MS is no fool when it comes to competitive pricing if their aggressive price cutting of the Xbox is any example. The current pricing structure will take advantage of the early adopters and gadget gurus.
I'd put money on an across the board drop in pricing of everything Xbox360 when the PS3 or Revolution is released.
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I'm sure we'll see a price drop, but the initial pricing may still shoot them in the foots simply by pissing off hardcore gamers who would have otherwise have bought a 360 at launch.
Plus, with all the buzz that will be around the PS3 launch, most gamers probably won't notice or care about a 360 price drop.
MS needed to come in with a cheap price now and build up a big user base BEFORE the PS3 launches. These prices will keep them from doing that and make launching a year early 100% fucking pointless.
I can gaurantee now that the X-box 360 will be a vast distant second place again this gen when all is said and done, with a slim chance of even ending up in 3rd.
Plus, with all the buzz that will be around the PS3 launch, most gamers probably won't notice or care about a 360 price drop.
MS needed to come in with a cheap price now and build up a big user base BEFORE the PS3 launches. These prices will keep them from doing that and make launching a year early 100% fucking pointless.
I can gaurantee now that the X-box 360 will be a vast distant second place again this gen when all is said and done, with a slim chance of even ending up in 3rd.
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I honestly don't know why you would want the hard drive. Ypu can't save games on it and MS is discouraging companies to use it for caching game content so what is it for exactly? Unless MS announces a Tivo service at which point you wouldn't be able to save much on a 20GB drive. Also how are they going to cram a bunch of HD footage onto a 20GB drive. Even with WMP10 they're going to have to compress the shit out of it.
$299 should have been the value price and $249 the core price.
$299 should have been the value price and $249 the core price.
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It reminds me of the xbox launch in Australia where they launched at 650 AUD. Most people didn't buy them so just 2 months later they dropped the price to 450 AUD and offered 2 free games to everyone who paid the 650 (so the earlier adopters didn't torch the MS offices I guess). I can see something similar happening again.
It doesn't matter if they plan drop the price with the ps3 comes out, if they don't sell any before then they lose by default.
It doesn't matter if they plan drop the price with the ps3 comes out, if they don't sell any before then they lose by default.