ROBOCOP--Best version (all regions)??
06-16-06, 05:59 PM
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Thanks for keeping my thread alive! Sooner or later I'll get the boxset, as I actually like 2 (crazy over the top shit, like Miller's comics, it has Tom Noonan, and a huge robot with a Gatling gun, what's not to like??), and I don't see getting BluRay, well, maybe ever.
06-16-06, 06:55 PM
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I owned both the original (Image?) release and the Criterion. I may have sold off the original when I picked up the 3-movie package. I never rewatched the first movie from the 3-movie package but am disappointed to hear that it only includes the unrated cut.
I'm one of the few people in this forum that prefers the theatrical cut. I hope I didn't sell it off!
Speaking of the theatrical release, has anybody bought the "THE ROBOCOP/TERMINATOR" double feature? I'm pretty sure the movies are on separate discs, but I don't know anything else about the packaging.
I'm one of the few people in this forum that prefers the theatrical cut. I hope I didn't sell it off!
Speaking of the theatrical release, has anybody bought the "THE ROBOCOP/TERMINATOR" double feature? I'm pretty sure the movies are on separate discs, but I don't know anything else about the packaging.
06-16-06, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Peep
I owned both the original (Image?) release and the Criterion. I may have sold off the original when I picked up the 3-movie package. I never rewatched the first movie from the 3-movie package but am disappointed to hear that it only includes the unrated cut.
06-17-06, 06:01 PM
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Man, talk about coincidence. I just found the Robocop Criterion at a pawn shop for $5! FIVE DOLLARS! After looking at those screen shot comparisons, I'm glad I have both now. Must've been destiny.
06-17-06, 09:35 PM
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You should really revise your opinion about Robocop 3. I think it completes the set admirably. The snob factor says that it can't be as good as the two others because it's a sequel and it's PG, but I think it's actually perfect in every way and a very satisfying way of bringing the story to a satisfying end while respecting all the themes present in the other two movies. It's also scripted by Frank "Sin City" Miller, like number 2...
06-18-06, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by baracine
You should really revise your opinion about Robocop 3. I think it completes the set admirably. The snob factor says that it can't be as good as the two others because it's a sequel and it's PG, but I think it's actually perfect in every way and a very satisfying way of bringing the story to a satisfying end while respecting all the themes present in the other two movies. It's also scripted by Frank "Sin City" Miller, like number 2...
06-18-06, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by baracine
You should really revise your opinion about Robocop 3. I think it completes the set admirably. The snob factor says that it can't be as good as the two others because it's a sequel and it's PG, but I think it's actually perfect in every way and a very satisfying way of bringing the story to a satisfying end while respecting all the themes present in the other two movies. It's also scripted by Frank "Sin City" Miller, like number 2...
06-18-06, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BuddyRevell
Wow...I mean wow. Really?
By the way, I've owned all Region 1 versions of RoboCop, and I've only kept the Criterion edition (as a curio and collector's item and because of its commentary and extras) and the boxset - because of the vastly superior anamorphic picture, which makes a hell of a difference if you own a widescreen TV. I also think (my humble opinion) that the grey-yellow-beige-dingy colour palette of the Criterion edition is the single element that makes the film look dated today. [I mean it looks like a film would look if you left it unattended, unprotected and unrestored in a dank basement for several years.] Both editions contain the extra six seconds of "ultra-violence", for those who care, and both have the original excellent Dolby Surround mix (masquerading as 5.1 in the boxset).
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06-18-06, 08:49 AM
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OP, just use dvdcompare in the future.
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=1175
FROM THE SITE:
OVERALL: Draw
Between all the R2, R3 and R4 SE releases, for the inclusion of both the "Theatrical Cut" and the "Director's Cut", and Additional Extras.
Note that the Audio Commentary on these new SE releases is different from the Criterion release. The R1 SE misses out on the "Director's Cut Footage" and the "Theatrical Cut" of The Film.
A joint winner is the R0 Criterion release, since it has the Director's approved Aspect Ratio of 1.66.1, and exclusive Audio Commentary.
* R0 DC America - (Criterion Collection) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R1 America - (Image Entertainment) - No Cuts - "Theatrical Cut".
* R1 America - (MGM) - No Cuts - "Theatrical Cut".
* R1 America - (MGM - 'RoboCop' Trilogy Box Set) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R2 France - (MGM) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R2 CE France - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 SE Germany - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 Holland - (MGM) - No cuts - "Theatrical Cut"
* R2 SE Holland - (MGM) - No cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut"
* R2 SE Portugal - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 SE United Kingdom - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R3 SE Korea - (Fox) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R4 SE Australia - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=1175
FROM THE SITE:
OVERALL: Draw
Between all the R2, R3 and R4 SE releases, for the inclusion of both the "Theatrical Cut" and the "Director's Cut", and Additional Extras.
Note that the Audio Commentary on these new SE releases is different from the Criterion release. The R1 SE misses out on the "Director's Cut Footage" and the "Theatrical Cut" of The Film.
A joint winner is the R0 Criterion release, since it has the Director's approved Aspect Ratio of 1.66.1, and exclusive Audio Commentary.
* R0 DC America - (Criterion Collection) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R1 America - (Image Entertainment) - No Cuts - "Theatrical Cut".
* R1 America - (MGM) - No Cuts - "Theatrical Cut".
* R1 America - (MGM - 'RoboCop' Trilogy Box Set) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R2 France - (MGM) - No Cuts - "Unrated Director's Cut".
* R2 CE France - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 SE Germany - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 Holland - (MGM) - No cuts - "Theatrical Cut"
* R2 SE Holland - (MGM) - No cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut"
* R2 SE Portugal - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R2 SE United Kingdom - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R3 SE Korea - (Fox) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
* R4 SE Australia - (MGM) - No Cuts - Contains both "Unrated Director's Cut" AND "Theatrical Cut".
06-19-06, 07:35 AM
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I've been meaning to add the trilogy to my collection for awhile, since the Criterion is OOP. But, it's been over $30 for awhile now. I could have sworn I saw it awhile back for $9.99 at CC or BB, but I didn't have a chance to get it.
06-19-06, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by baracine
Both editions contain the extra six seconds of "ultra-violence", for those who care, and both have the original excellent Dolby Surround mix (masquerading as 5.1 in the boxset).
06-19-06, 01:17 PM
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Really only 6 extras seconds? Including both extended scenes - when Murphy is being shot up and the board room executive shooting? Seemed longer to me.
06-19-06, 06:22 PM
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Does anybody have any information on the R2 Japanese release? I've seen it advertised on Play-Asia. The only info it really gives is the release date, which was a few days ago. It's a limited pressing and it's pretty cheap for a Japanese release.
06-19-06, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
it was... there is also an overhead camera shot after Murphy's 'death' that further expands the film's running time. The throat slit scene is also extended, as is a stomach gun shot near the end as well.
06-19-06, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Peep
So, does that mean everything else that baracine, like that crap about Murphy being a Christ figure and "Robocop 3" being good, was BS also?
As for the Robocop sequels... I don't care if Zombie William Faulkner had penned the screenplays, the law of diminishing returns definitely applies. Miller's original script for Robocop 2 was heavily rewritten, and I don't think that he holds his work on either film in very high regard. I will say that it's peversely humorous that Robocop can override a castration-by-focus-group within the second film; but when it came time to make the final film, he couldn't avoid the same fate.
06-20-06, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Peep
So, does that mean everything else that baracine, like that crap about Murphy being a Christ figure and "Robocop 3" being good, was BS also?
06-20-06, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Giles
what?! my remark was to YOUR posting. The reinstated footage for the unrated cut of the film definately totalled more than 6 seconds of footage.
It's possible he might have been referring only to the boardroom scene or was being flippant.
The IMDb "alternate versions" page states (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093870/alternateversions):
[My time estimates are in brackets.]
* The R-rated theatrical version runs 102 min. while the unrated director's cut runs 103 min.
* The first cuts appear in the scene where ED-209 goes beserk during the business meeting and shoots one of the young executives. The director's cut last several seconds longer. After the third close-up of ED shooting, there is a quick shot of more blood spilling out of the man and holes being riddled in him just before he is blown onto the model. There is then a couple seconds of footage showing a worker trying to rip the circuit out of the switchboard. The guy is then showed graphically being riddled with even more holes on top of the model. The scene played out in this manner achieves almost ludicrous comic effect. [Possibly six seconds.]
* The unrated Director's Cut has an alternate shot of Boddicker's reaction to Robocop stabbing him in the throat, before he falls down into the water. The new shot is taken more up-close and shows the blood more prominently spraying from his wound. [Possibly no time difference.]
* The most extensively cut sequences involves the murder of Peter Weller's character, Murphy. The director's cut is almost a full minute longer. It shows Murphy's arm being shot off (cut completely from the R-rated version), more elaborate shots of Murphy writhing in pain as the thugs shoot him, and includes an elaborate tracking shot that shows the back of his head exploding into the camera when he is finally shot by Clarence Boddicker. This shot is especially missed because it made use of a fully-mechanical prosthetic Murphy built by make-up special effect artist Rob Bottin. The unrated director's cut also includes a longer shot of Murphy's hand being shot off and the camera lingering on his reaction and his stump. ["Almost a full minute longer".]
* One difference between the R-rated and unrated versions occurs when Lewis and Murphy chase Clarence's gang in the van. In the R-rated version, when Murphy shoots Bobby in the leg, you witness it as though you were looking through Murphy's eyes. However, in the unrated version, the camera zooms in on the area of of Bobby's leg being shot and graphically details the impact of each bullet. [Possibly no time difference.]
* The first cuts appear in the scene where ED-209 goes beserk during the business meeting and shoots one of the young executives. The director's cut last several seconds longer. After the third close-up of ED shooting, there is a quick shot of more blood spilling out of the man and holes being riddled in him just before he is blown onto the model. There is then a couple seconds of footage showing a worker trying to rip the circuit out of the switchboard. The guy is then showed graphically being riddled with even more holes on top of the model. The scene played out in this manner achieves almost ludicrous comic effect. [Possibly six seconds.]
* The unrated Director's Cut has an alternate shot of Boddicker's reaction to Robocop stabbing him in the throat, before he falls down into the water. The new shot is taken more up-close and shows the blood more prominently spraying from his wound. [Possibly no time difference.]
* The most extensively cut sequences involves the murder of Peter Weller's character, Murphy. The director's cut is almost a full minute longer. It shows Murphy's arm being shot off (cut completely from the R-rated version), more elaborate shots of Murphy writhing in pain as the thugs shoot him, and includes an elaborate tracking shot that shows the back of his head exploding into the camera when he is finally shot by Clarence Boddicker. This shot is especially missed because it made use of a fully-mechanical prosthetic Murphy built by make-up special effect artist Rob Bottin. The unrated director's cut also includes a longer shot of Murphy's hand being shot off and the camera lingering on his reaction and his stump. ["Almost a full minute longer".]
* One difference between the R-rated and unrated versions occurs when Lewis and Murphy chase Clarence's gang in the van. In the R-rated version, when Murphy shoots Bobby in the leg, you witness it as though you were looking through Murphy's eyes. However, in the unrated version, the camera zooms in on the area of of Bobby's leg being shot and graphically details the impact of each bullet. [Possibly no time difference.]
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06-20-06, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
what?! my remark was to YOUR posting. The reinstated footage for the unrated cut of the film definately totalled more than 6 seconds of footage.
06-21-06, 12:57 PM
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Thanks OP. After reading this post I decided to purchase the trilogy box set as a companion to my Criterion disc.
Picked it up at dvdtohddvd.com for $16 & change ($14.13 for set, $2.05 for S&H).
Picked it up at dvdtohddvd.com for $16 & change ($14.13 for set, $2.05 for S&H).
11-30-06, 03:49 PM
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Ok, well got the single disc version at wally world for 3.44, but looks like that doesn't have the unrated director's cut? I may have to return that and get the trilogy in the b1g1 ddd sale, now if I could only find something in the 27 price range to pair it with.