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what scene are you referring to specifically - you mean the sandstorm scene? I only ask because I swear I thought the TV cut of the film had a scene during the Rancor fight, where Luke leaps up to the grill in attempts to escape only to have his hands stepped on by one of the guards
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I would be more fascinated if Lucas 'came clean' and they did a documentary on how he changed the saga through the years. I think if Lucas was honest about that, many fans wouldn't care because this happens all the time in movie trilogies (except Lord of the Rings because they were already books.) Zemecki's admits on Back to the Future DVD's that the sequels weren't planned, and the ending where Doc talks about going in the future with Marty and his girlfriend was more for fun just to end the movie. He even says, "I had no grand plan...." Can you see George Lucas Ego letting him say that?
I would love to know when Lucas had the ephipany of merging Vader and Luke's Father as he was writing ESB. Did he just wake up in the middle of the night, "Hey Marcia, I got this great idea for a sequel to Star Wars!" The new documentaries on SW are unwatchable because it is so disingenious because it is all revisionism by Lucas, and all it does is brain-wash the younger generation who has never seen the movies and the gushers who will believe anything he says.
I would love to know when Lucas had the ephipany of merging Vader and Luke's Father as he was writing ESB. Did he just wake up in the middle of the night, "Hey Marcia, I got this great idea for a sequel to Star Wars!" The new documentaries on SW are unwatchable because it is so disingenious because it is all revisionism by Lucas, and all it does is brain-wash the younger generation who has never seen the movies and the gushers who will believe anything he says.
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I would be more fascinated if Lucas 'came clean' and they did a documentary on how he changed the saga through the years. I think if Lucas was honest about that, many fans wouldn't care because this happens all the time in movie trilogies (except Lord of the Rings because they were already books.) Zemecki's admits on Back to the Future DVD's that the sequels weren't planned, and the ending where Doc talks about going in the future with Marty and his girlfriend was more for fun just to end the movie. He even says, "I had no grand plan...." Can you see George Lucas Ego letting him say that?
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I'm of the opinion that anyone who refuses to buy a film they enjoy based on cover art not only isn't really a fan of that film, but I'd also question their allegiance to cinema as a whole. I don't collect paper covers; I collect movies.
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Artwork isn't a deciding factor on whether I buy something or not but in a case like this since there are two options and it costs about the same both ways I'd rather get the two sets for the better artwork. To me it adds to the presentation of the whole set and personally I like the individual art better too
. That said I still don't think I'll be buying these (unless the originals are included which we know hell will freeze over before that happens).
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I'd have to actually have the packages in hand to fully judge, but I think the individual releases look sort of busy and cluttered. Your eye just sort of gets pulled around and there's no real focal point.
The image on the cover of the complete saga is kind of neat, but it seems sort of understated for a "complete Star Wars saga" cover. Looks more like something you'd find on the inside of the package, like a fold-out or booklet cover.
The image on the cover of the complete saga is kind of neat, but it seems sort of understated for a "complete Star Wars saga" cover. Looks more like something you'd find on the inside of the package, like a fold-out or booklet cover.
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I find it strange that everyone gets so bent out of shape over Lucas' comments. Its called showmanship. He has created a mythology within the movies, as well as a mythology surrounding the making of the movies. Sure, its BS. All series are made up as they go. But if you choose to go along with it, its kind of fun.
I remember that on the dvd of The Omen, Richard Donner states that, to him, Damian is just a normal child and his father is a delusional murderer. Maybe he had run out of things to say about the movie, maybe he's lost his mind, or maybe he was screwing with us. The comment is ludicrous, but it hasn't changed my overall opinion of him or the movie.
I remember that on the dvd of The Omen, Richard Donner states that, to him, Damian is just a normal child and his father is a delusional murderer. Maybe he had run out of things to say about the movie, maybe he's lost his mind, or maybe he was screwing with us. The comment is ludicrous, but it hasn't changed my overall opinion of him or the movie.
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The underwhelming extras (and to a lesser extent the artwork) has tampered my enthusiasm just a bit. But I was always going to get it regardless. I think it's a safe bet that next year they will be available individually (single discs of course) for those that want to wait. I would greatly prefer those as far as packaging goes, but I want the extras.
The thing about the complete set artwork is that it doesn't even seem good from a marketing perspective. It doesn't scream "Star Wars" from a distance, I would think someone unfamiliar with it would be somewhat confused when they picked it up to look at it. Hopefully the box has heft and quality to it.
The thing about the complete set artwork is that it doesn't even seem good from a marketing perspective. It doesn't scream "Star Wars" from a distance, I would think someone unfamiliar with it would be somewhat confused when they picked it up to look at it. Hopefully the box has heft and quality to it.
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I think people would like everything that was released previously to be included on this set, in addition to the new stuff. A release like this should be definitive. We already have to concede that we won't get the original cuts, so we shouldn't have to concede them cheaping out and not releasing all available extras.
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Also, if Lucasfilm wanted to completely blow me away, they'd have included the Ewok TV movies as bonus content, and fit the Ewoks and Droids animated series here. There were only a handful of cumulative episodes. And to show how cooperative I am, they don't even need to be in HD to make me happy.
Looking ahead to what is included, the 501st fans have done a lot of admirable charity work, but I cannot imagine what about their story could possibly justify 84 minutes. The feature about parodies could be amusing, but it could also turn out to be tiresome. So those two pieces alone account for a decent chunk of the forthcoming new content that may wind up sucking.
#1240
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I know what would make me (and I'm sure a bunch of others as well) happy. It's nothing to do with stupid crap like artwork or extras which are important to an extent but it's really the movies that matter. If Lucas would stop being so damn stubborn and releasing the original versions of the movies. Honestly I'd be perfectly happy buying this set if he would put them out, but the fact he has to deny such a simple request makes me not want to buy this set. I'll be content with the DVD's I have from 2004 but he won't get more of my money. The man has to know that if he put out sets that included the original OT (even if he released them separately) that legions of fans would buy them both. It's the arrogance of the guy that gets me more than anything.
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Now, if discs 7 and 8 do contain those dvd extras than I stand corrected. And it has not been confirmed those are blu-ray discs either. At best it's a very poor press release/announcement on their part, at worst, which I'm sorry to say is what Lucasfilm has earned... it looks like we're getting screwed. The idea is to be able to get rid of your dvd's and truly upgrade, not keep a bookshelf full of releases and say it all adds up to a great set.
Edit: Really, I'm not asking for 100% of what I want... not even 70% percent. I just assumed we'd at least get passable video and the previous extras. The verdict's still out out on the picture quality but it appears they couldn't even get the extras right. Hell, someone mentioned the Ewoks movies... I wouldn't expect those to be included, but the fact they aren't even being released along with the Clone Wars shorts (which I'd buy in a second) just shows how off the mark they are. I just have to wonder if they even know what they're doing over there... the sad truth is these films may well be treated better by a major studio than what we've gotten the last decade.
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In fairness though, I get the sense that everyone including Lucas was ready to move on to other things after the third one... even getting Ford to come back for Jedi took some work. So he may have had no choice but to combine the elements of three more films into that last one. People change, move on... unlike other jobs that people have no problem working at for 20-30yrs, creative folks (who are a in a position to be able to get more work) don't like spending half their careers on one kind of project.
If Lucas just acknowledged that the OT deserves to be released in good condition, then I am convinced that 99.5% of the criticism would stop. People could enjoy whatever version they wanted to, without pulling out their Laserdics and VHS out of the closet. The OT exists, and no amount of revisionism, or self-imposed censorship, will kill it.
I don't care to watch some movie about idiots who dress up like stormstroopers under the guise of charity. Seriously. Who the hell cares. Or the Science Meets Star Wars. Oh wow. Lasers exist now. Who cares about this stuff?
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I remember that on the dvd of The Omen, Richard Donner states that, to him, Damian is just a normal child and his father is a delusional murderer. Maybe he had run out of things to say about the movie, maybe he's lost his mind, or maybe he was screwing with us. The comment is ludicrous, but it hasn't changed my overall opinion of him or the movie.
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#1245
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I remember that on the dvd of The Omen, Richard Donner states that, to him, Damian is just a normal child and his father is a delusional murderer. Maybe he had run out of things to say about the movie, maybe he's lost his mind, or maybe he was screwing with us. The comment is ludicrous, but it hasn't changed my overall opinion of him or the movie.
I know that some folks have made cases that there is nothing supernatural going on in The Shining, but I don't think I've ever seen an interpretation of the The Omen that only involves a delusional father. There's too much funny business going on that doesn't involve him or his point of view.
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I don't care to watch some movie about idiots who dress up like stormstroopers under the guise of charity. Seriously. Who the hell cares. Or the Science Meets Star Wars. Oh wow. Lasers exist now. Who cares about this stuff?
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#1249
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What's sad is I would buy an official release of an anamorphic OOT even if it was dvd only and not released on BD. ![Frown](/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I skipped buying the OT on dvd until the versions were released with the OOT. I will do the same here. I know the BDs will look breathtaking but my son wanted to watch one of them the other day and I was stunned at how good the OT looks on those dvd releases. I hadn't watched them and had only watch the non-anamorphic OOT. So the dvd releases will tide me over until the OOT makes it to BD eventually. I just don't care that much like I used to. Too many other movies, TV shows and video games on my plate to worry with it.
I will say this though...GL has done an excellent job of keeping Star Wars in the public consciousness even with the crappy prequels. My seven year old son has recently become obsessed with SW and what's amazing is it is all due to the Lego Star Wars series more than anything else. It was pretty cool the other day when we watched E.T. and Elliott is going thru his SW action figures and my kid knew exactly what he was talking about and I didn't have to explain it. Not bad for a near 35 year old series.
The most fun was getting into the attic and pulling down all my old action figures (I own every original figure that was released thru ROTJ) and all my ships and stuff while my kid is about to explode with excitement. He has played with them steady for 6 months now and loves wearing SW shirts everywhere. Even though the Clone Wars show bores him, he can't get enough of the Lego Star Wars universe.
I just wish GL would do an animated series that would follow the original group on new adventures...say after ROTJ. It's been a blast reading to him the Marvel comics line every night and him enjoying seeing everything that Luke, Han, Leia and Chewie are up to. He is far more interested in those characters than any character in the prequel group (save for General Grievous who he thinks is beyond cool). I think the old SW generation would enjoy it and the kids now would love it as well.
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I skipped buying the OT on dvd until the versions were released with the OOT. I will do the same here. I know the BDs will look breathtaking but my son wanted to watch one of them the other day and I was stunned at how good the OT looks on those dvd releases. I hadn't watched them and had only watch the non-anamorphic OOT. So the dvd releases will tide me over until the OOT makes it to BD eventually. I just don't care that much like I used to. Too many other movies, TV shows and video games on my plate to worry with it.
I will say this though...GL has done an excellent job of keeping Star Wars in the public consciousness even with the crappy prequels. My seven year old son has recently become obsessed with SW and what's amazing is it is all due to the Lego Star Wars series more than anything else. It was pretty cool the other day when we watched E.T. and Elliott is going thru his SW action figures and my kid knew exactly what he was talking about and I didn't have to explain it. Not bad for a near 35 year old series.
The most fun was getting into the attic and pulling down all my old action figures (I own every original figure that was released thru ROTJ) and all my ships and stuff while my kid is about to explode with excitement. He has played with them steady for 6 months now and loves wearing SW shirts everywhere. Even though the Clone Wars show bores him, he can't get enough of the Lego Star Wars universe.
I just wish GL would do an animated series that would follow the original group on new adventures...say after ROTJ. It's been a blast reading to him the Marvel comics line every night and him enjoying seeing everything that Luke, Han, Leia and Chewie are up to. He is far more interested in those characters than any character in the prequel group (save for General Grievous who he thinks is beyond cool). I think the old SW generation would enjoy it and the kids now would love it as well.
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That special edition was spectacular.
5 versions of the film, 3 hour making of feature, 40+ minutes of deleted scenes assembled in a manner that makes it like a little film, it's as complete and thurough a set as has ever been published.
I'd like a set like that for each film of the OT.
I've seen enough and read enough about the making of the films that I don't need to hear any more. Now I just want to watch the films. Really watch the films. All the varient versions and all the varient soundtracks.
Supplement wise I would especially like more attention payed to Empire and Jedi. Most documentaries tend to focus 75% on SW and 25% on the sequels.