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Old 02-05-12, 03:04 PM
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Too much Christina Hendricks.



OK no really, there wasn't much I would have changed. Maybe some of the "building the relationship" scenes could have taken a bit off the top, but that's more of a nitpick than a complaint.
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Wait a sec....did Tarantino really put this on his "Nice try" list? Some people on DVD Talk do know how big a QT fan I am but who the fuck does he think he is with a comment like that? I mean yes, I talk shit about films all the time but if I was famous.....ahhh fuck it, there is going to be no easy way to say it without some fucking idiot replying with "well, blah blah blah blah fucking blah".

lol just something about picturing QT saying "nice try" really set me off.
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Quentin Tarantino’s official Top 11 of 2011

1. Midnight in Paris
2. Rise of the Planet of the Apes
3. Moneyball
4. The Skin I Live In
5. X-Men: First Class
6. Young Adult
7. Attack the Block
8. Red State
9. Warrior
10. The Artist / Our Idiot Brother (tie)
11. The Three Musketeers

Others considered in no particular order

50/50
Beginners
Hugo
The Iron Lady
Carnage
Green Hornet
Green Lantern
Captain America
The Descendants
My Week With Marilyn
Fast Five
The Tree of Life
The Hangover Part II
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
The Beaver
Contagion
The Sitter
War Horse

Nice Try Award

Drive
Hanna
Drive Angry
Real Steel

Best Director

Pedro Almodóvar
Bennett Miller
Woody Allen
Jason Reitman
Michel Hazanavicius

Best Original Screenplay

Midnight in Paris
Young Adult
Red State
Attack the Block
Our Idiot Brother
Beginners

Best Adapted Screenplay

Moneyball
The Skin I live In
Carnage
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
Hugo
X-Men: First Class

Worst Films

Sucker Punch
Potiche (Trophy Wife)
Miral
Insidious
Rampart
Straw Dogs
Paranormal Activity 3
Meek’s Cutoff
Old 02-05-12, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rival11
Wait a sec....did Tarantino really put this on his "Nice try" list? Some people on DVD Talk do know how big a QT fan I am but who the fuck does he think he is with a comment like that? I mean yes, I talk shit about films all the time but if I was famous.....ahhh fuck it, there is going to be no easy way to say it without some fucking idiot replying with "well, blah blah blah blah fucking blah".

lol just something about picturing QT saying "nice try" really set me off.
yeah because it is so dismissive and condescending, many of us think DRIVE is far better than anything QT made. it is more the other way around with 'nice try'
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

I didn't like Drive admittedly but even if I had there's no way it was better than anything Tarantino has done in my opinion. Pulp Fiction and especially Jackie Brown are both entirely better films than this. I don't really understand all the Drive fans attacking Tarantino for not caring for the film. It's his opinion and just because it doesn't match with yours doesn't dismiss him as a great filmmaker. I give Drive some credit in that it was a well made film but it just didn't work for me in a lot of ways.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

What did I not care for... well, as stated already, it's a damn good film, so moments I disagree with tend to get lost in the whole experience. Nothing juts out like a sore thumb. It may be a sin to say in a film as deliberate and stylish as this, but there were a couple of times I thought the treatment of a scene diminished the film. While it was interesting to have the women sit and watch while Driver beats the man up at the strip club, I doubt they'd have watched so calmly, like they're in a tableau vivant. It's not a Peter Greenaway flick. Also, while it's easy to accept that it's indicative of how invested Driver is in his clients and how far he's willing to go in a job, it would have been nice to see if his clients escaped capture after the opening getaway. I realize that it's part of the character development, and one can easily assume they got away with it because Driver suffers no reprisal, but I think it would have been more satisfying.

I'm also in agreement that Tarantino's films are for the most part better than Drive, but that doesn't lessen the film. Tarantino's an award-winning and successful filmmaker with a large following, so naturally many of his films are going to be deemed better than others.

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Old 02-06-12, 09:52 AM
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at the risk of turning this into a "this film is better than _____ ramblethon", I will say it was better than a number of QT films, and I like QT.

Better than-
Death Proof
Kill Bills

Maybe better than, given time-
Inglorious Basterds
Reservoir Dogs
Jackie Brown

Not better than-
Pulp Fiction
Old 02-06-12, 09:57 AM
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Sat down with this over the weekend, expecting to be blown away due to all the "OMFG BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!" hype. Thought it was good, and certainly an effective thriller...but it's way overrated on the Internets.

But yeah, it's better than a lot of the movies Tarantino has on his "Best of 2011" list, but hey who cares? It's his list.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

It's probably on there due to its similarity to 1978's The Driver, which is one of QT's favorite films.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Originally Posted by Groucho
Sat down with this over the weekend, expecting to be blown away due to all the "OMFG BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!" hype. Thought it was good, and certainly an effective thriller...but it's way overrated on the Internets.
My thoughts exactly. I enjoyed it, but the main character is so distant and socially withdrawn that I found it hard to care about him.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Sat down with this over the weekend, expecting to be blown away due to all the "OMFG BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!" hype. Thought it was good, and certainly an effective thriller...but it's way overrated on the Internets.

But yeah, it's better than a lot of the movies Tarantino has on his "Best of 2011" list, but hey who cares? It's his list.
Honestly if you go into ANY movie w/ that expectation - how could you NOT be disappointed??
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Originally Posted by bluetoast
That Angela Lansbury sounding song near the ending was kind of weird too.
That was a Riz Ortolani track... but the lady singing does kinda sound like Angela, now that you mention it.
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Originally Posted by Rival11
Wait a sec....did Tarantino really put this on his "Nice try" list? Some people on DVD Talk do know how big a QT fan I am but who the fuck does he think he is with a comment like that? I mean yes, I talk shit about films all the time but if I was famous.....ahhh fuck it, there is going to be no easy way to say it without some fucking idiot replying with "well, blah blah blah blah fucking blah".

lol just something about picturing QT saying "nice try" really set me off.
He's just a guy with an opinion. I don't see the big deal. People were all butt hurt about it in the thread that was created about his list too.
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Liked it but wanted to love it. What was up with the fucking smiling in this film? Is that how the Gosling character (and yes, I would write his name but for the life of me I didn't catch it) showed emotion. Everytime someone would talk to him all he did was fucking smile. I've seen baboons with better social skills. Then, when I see the violence he would inflict on others, that made the smiling even creepier. Maybe thats the point. lol
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Same as some of you.

Watched the trailer when it was released, thought it wasn't interesting enough for me. I thought I would probably watch it at home, since I'm a Ryan Gosling fan. I just recently watched Blue Valentines, he's great there, and last year saw him in theaters in "Crazy, Stupid, Love", he was great there too.

So, I don't visit movie forums, I only check this forum from time to time. But my feeling from "the internet" was that everyone was hyping this movie. OMG! Blah! Blah. A least in this forum you read references to this movie in almost every thread.

So I watched it last weekend and thought it was just OK. It had its moments but I was expecting something more. Gosling was just OK too.

"Nice try".
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

If Gosling is emotionless then stay away from Le Samourai

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/re...-samourai/1795

Like Pickpocket's titular thief, Le Samouraď's hitman Jef Costello (Alain Delon) is a man governed by method,
the meticulous execution of his work being the core facet of his character.
Calmly and carefully choosing the right key from an enormous key ring to steal a car in broad daylight, or deliberately evading the cops who are trailing him by circuitously navigating the Parisian subways, Jef is a man for whom life is but a series of tasks to be carried out with purposeful efficiency,
his every mechanical movement and blank-eyed stare conveying the fact that an adherence to ritual, to technique, is what defines him. However, unlike Bresson's petty crook, Jean-Pierre Melville's murderer derives no spiritual transcendence from the process of his vocation; his is an existential existence in which the rigorously defined rules that guide his behavior simply prevent him from drifting off into a lethal void of purposelessness.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Originally Posted by Rival11
Wait a sec....did Tarantino really put this on his "Nice try" list? Some people on DVD Talk do know how big a QT fan I am but who the fuck does he think he is with a comment like that? I mean yes, I talk shit about films all the time but if I was famous.....ahhh fuck it, there is going to be no easy way to say it without some fucking idiot replying with "well, blah blah blah blah fucking blah".

lol just something about picturing QT saying "nice try" really set me off.
I don't think he intended "nice try" as snarky criticism. I think he meant it like "honorable mention" but didn't want to use those exact words.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Originally Posted by Groucho
Sat down with this over the weekend, expecting to be blown away due to all the "OMFG BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!" hype. Thought it was good, and certainly an effective thriller...but it's way overrated on the Internets.
Did you ask for your money back after seeing Snakes on a Plane?
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Originally Posted by KillerCannibal
That was a Riz Ortolani track... but the lady singing does kinda sound like Angela, now that you mention it.
I think she does Morricone tracks too.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I91GEjoIHS0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Anyway, that was my favorite scene of the movie--For obvious reasons.

BTW, forget the QT bashing. The critic/reviewer that really shocked me with Drive's absence in a "Best-of" list was Kim Morgan. Since she loves cars, silent heroes and gritty flicks (Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia is one of her most favorites) it should've been a no-brainer for her to love this one. But the movie isn't anywhere to be seen in her Best of 2011 list(!)
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If Gosling is emotionless then stay away from Le Samarai
Speaking of that...one of my friends has my copy. Now to lead an investigation to find out who....
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Yeah, I can't say I'm offended that Quentin Tarantino didn't like it enough to put it in his Top 11 (which is actually a Top 12... if you have a tie, that counts as two, not one.)

Even though it's my favourite film of the year, I respect that there are a lot of people who clearly don't (or won't ever) feel the same way. I'll say this, though... since Inglourious Basterds and Drive share one commonality...
Spoiler:
An intense killing by bashing in someone's head.

I'd say Refn's portrayal of such a scene was superior.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Wait, did Tarantino rate "The Green Lantern" and "The Hangover Part II" higher than not only "Drive", but "Hanna" !?? WTF?
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Originally Posted by UncleGramps
My thoughts exactly. I enjoyed it, but the main character is so distant and socially withdrawn that I found it hard to care about him.
Bingo. He almost came off as mildly autistic. The film was fine. Agree with it being overhyped on the webs.
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Re: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn 2011) (Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Ron Perlman, etc

Originally Posted by UncleGramps
I enjoyed it, but the main character is so distant and socially withdrawn that I found it hard to care about him.
I think the seemingly distant and anti-social behavior of the main character is crucial to the film. He is distant because social interaction doesn't matter to him, only being in control of his world does. He likes his life to be similar to how he drives cars, where he is in total control. Once he loosens up and starts being more social with the girl and the family next door and then tries to help them out, he loses control of his world and that's when bad things which he can't control start to happen.
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So in other words, he's mentally retarded. Good. Got it.


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