Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
10-17-14, 10:02 PM
#4651
DVD Talk Hero
10-19-14, 11:02 AM
#4654
DVD Talk Legend
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vichy America
Posts: 13,533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Does Vader even have money? I mean, what does being a Dark Lord of the Sith actually pay?
10-19-14, 11:11 AM
#4655
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Also, would there even be courts of law in the Empire? The Senate was still around until A New Hope I guess, so I don't know.
Last edited by taffer; 10-19-14 at 11:23 AM.
10-19-14, 11:12 AM
#4656
DVD Talk Legend
10-19-14, 11:24 AM
#4657
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
When you can force choke people from another room do you really need money?
or
"you will give me extra olives on my pizza for no charge"
"yes I will give you extra olives on your pizza for no charge"
or
"you will give me extra olives on my pizza for no charge"
"yes I will give you extra olives on your pizza for no charge"
10-19-14, 11:36 AM
#4659
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Leia will tell Han that their marriage is a sham and that she is still haunted by the kiss she gave Luke. Han will die in Chewbacca's arms of a broken heart.
Ford will get the death he always wanted for Han.
Ford will get the death he always wanted for Han.
10-19-14, 11:36 AM
#4660
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Just remembered to check my old comic adaptation, the "I am your father" is there plain as day also.
10-19-14, 01:27 PM
#4661
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Does the Empire even have money? I know the Old Republic had a singular currency called "credits" but I don't recall anything ever being mentioned about the Empire having such a thing. It seems to me that the Empire most likely just thrived on slave labor and a bartering system. Wookiees and other alien races were known to be enslaved. Bartering existed in the Outer Rim even before the Empire. Qui-Gon and Watto bartered for the hyperdrive parts because as Watto said, "Republic credits are no good here."
Also, would there even be courts of law in the Empire? The Senate was still around until A New Hope I guess, so I don't know.
Also, would there even be courts of law in the Empire? The Senate was still around until A New Hope I guess, so I don't know.
Money exists because we have an economy. We have an economy because we have limits on our production - amount of labour, amount of materials, etc.
Having things like hyperdrive changes everything. You end up with unlimited materials. Eventually even labour is unlimited - just colonize, or in the Empire's case, clone.
Everything should end up being priceless - that it, without price. Time is still a factor, but really there's nothing keeping you from making a billion of something, so therefore supply would be essentially unlimited.
In regards to rule of law - you need two things: a legislature to manage laws, and a judicial, to enforce laws. It is apparent that there is some form of legislature (even if it's just one guy making all the rules), and there's a substantial police force that often seem to overstep their bounds. We've never seen a formal judiciary (not even a kangaroo court) in the SW universe but there should be one - after all, the judiciary also manages disputes, not just offenses.
10-19-14, 08:41 PM
#4662
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Meh, I'm bored.
Money exists because we have an economy. We have an economy because we have limits on our production - amount of labour, amount of materials, etc.
Having things like hyperdrive changes everything. You end up with unlimited materials. Eventually even labour is unlimited - just colonize, or in the Empire's case, clone.
Everything should end up being priceless - that it, without price. Time is still a factor, but really there's nothing keeping you from making a billion of something, so therefore supply would be essentially unlimited.
In regards to rule of law - you need two things: a legislature to manage laws, and a judicial, to enforce laws. It is apparent that there is some form of legislature (even if it's just one guy making all the rules), and there's a substantial police force that often seem to overstep their bounds. We've never seen a formal judiciary (not even a kangaroo court) in the SW universe but there should be one - after all, the judiciary also manages disputes, not just offenses.
Money exists because we have an economy. We have an economy because we have limits on our production - amount of labour, amount of materials, etc.
Having things like hyperdrive changes everything. You end up with unlimited materials. Eventually even labour is unlimited - just colonize, or in the Empire's case, clone.
Everything should end up being priceless - that it, without price. Time is still a factor, but really there's nothing keeping you from making a billion of something, so therefore supply would be essentially unlimited.
In regards to rule of law - you need two things: a legislature to manage laws, and a judicial, to enforce laws. It is apparent that there is some form of legislature (even if it's just one guy making all the rules), and there's a substantial police force that often seem to overstep their bounds. We've never seen a formal judiciary (not even a kangaroo court) in the SW universe but there should be one - after all, the judiciary also manages disputes, not just offenses.
Good thing Lucas isn't writing any more or I'd be afraid you're giving him ideas.
10-19-14, 10:22 PM
#4663
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Yeah, actually as I was writing that that was exactly what I was thinking. 
Also forgot droids. Lots of cheap labour.
Also forgot droids. Lots of cheap labour.
10-19-14, 10:25 PM
#4664
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
New rumors, boys:
The part for Driver sounds good. The cyborg villain just sounds ridiculous.
Spoiler:
The part for Driver sounds good. The cyborg villain just sounds ridiculous.
10-19-14, 10:48 PM
#4665
DVD Talk Legend
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vichy America
Posts: 13,533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Does the Empire even have money? I know the Old Republic had a singular currency called "credits" but I don't recall anything ever being mentioned about the Empire having such a thing. It seems to me that the Empire most likely just thrived on slave labor and a bartering system.
Wookiees and other alien races were known to be enslaved.
10-20-14, 12:57 AM
#4666
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Made an important life decision today. I, Chad Miller, to the very best of my abilitiy will avoid every teaser, trailer, film clip and synopsis for Episode VII. If its posted in this thread I'll stop coming to this thread. If its on tv, ill change the channel and if it plays in the theater before a movie i'll plug my ears and close my eyes. I'm actually getting pretty damn stoked for this movie and I fully plan on going in as fresh as possible. It's gonna be tough. I'm gonna have to be vigilant, but I think I can do it. That is all.
10-20-14, 10:05 AM
#4667
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
More or less EU. However, if you count EVERYTHING outside of the movies as EU , then you're going to be left with a lot of unanswered questions. Even some of the more official stuff like Star Wars movie guides and the character descriptions on the back of action figure cards allude to such incidents.
I remember reading the novelization to TPM before the movie was released and thinking that it was actually pretty good. However, in the book you couldn't hear the annoying voice of Jar Jar and the plot was a little more clear and developed, as were the characters. The same held for ROTS. The novelization actually fit well into the EU of the PT, and directly followed a book before it entitled Labyrinth of Evil, which was another good read. I really do hate it when people completely dismiss the EU (though granted, there is some pretty bad stuff in it), as one could make an argument that it was Zahn's Thrawn trilogy that re-kindled interest in Star Wars in the early 90s.
I remember when Vader revealed that he was Luke's father and thinking that it was just the bad guy telling a big one to scare the good guy. I didn't get confirmation until Yoda revealed the truth in ROTJ, and I remember a gasp going over the theater at that point, as apparently many didn't want it to be true.
I remember reading the novelization to TPM before the movie was released and thinking that it was actually pretty good. However, in the book you couldn't hear the annoying voice of Jar Jar and the plot was a little more clear and developed, as were the characters. The same held for ROTS. The novelization actually fit well into the EU of the PT, and directly followed a book before it entitled Labyrinth of Evil, which was another good read. I really do hate it when people completely dismiss the EU (though granted, there is some pretty bad stuff in it), as one could make an argument that it was Zahn's Thrawn trilogy that re-kindled interest in Star Wars in the early 90s.
I remember when Vader revealed that he was Luke's father and thinking that it was just the bad guy telling a big one to scare the good guy. I didn't get confirmation until Yoda revealed the truth in ROTJ, and I remember a gasp going over the theater at that point, as apparently many didn't want it to be true.
10-20-14, 10:12 AM
#4668
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
I remember when Vader revealed that he was Luke's father and thinking that it was just the bad guy telling a big one to scare the good guy. I didn't get confirmation until Yoda revealed the truth in ROTJ, and I remember a gasp going over the theater at that point, as apparently many didn't want it to be true.
10-20-14, 10:17 AM
#4669
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
I am pretty sure that the wookiees being enslaved is official from Lucas himself, although I am not 100% sure. I thought Chewbacca's official backstory was that Han freed him from slavery and that is why they are best buds now.
Also, it's pretty obvious that the Empire is xenophobic in the original trilogy. No aliens (except for the bounty hunters in ESB) are ever seen on a Star Destroyer or Death Star or anywhere else belonging to the Empire. Even with those bounty hunters, one of the Empire officers shows disgusts at them.
Also, it's pretty obvious that the Empire is xenophobic in the original trilogy. No aliens (except for the bounty hunters in ESB) are ever seen on a Star Destroyer or Death Star or anywhere else belonging to the Empire. Even with those bounty hunters, one of the Empire officers shows disgusts at them.
10-20-14, 04:20 PM
#4671
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Also, it's pretty obvious that the Empire is xenophobic in the original trilogy. No aliens (except for the bounty hunters in ESB) are ever seen on a Star Destroyer or Death Star or anywhere else belonging to the Empire. Even with those bounty hunters, one of the Empire officers shows disgusts at them.
Again, this is where the EU can help explain stuff that is only inferred in the movies. The novelization of ROTS reveals that Palpatine/Sidious was indeed about human superiority in the galaxy and wanted to build an "Empire of Man". I am surprised there hasn't been any other EU to address the issue between the trilogies, as it does seem like the kind of allegorical stuff for which sci-fi is known.
10-20-14, 04:39 PM
#4672
DVD Talk Legend
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vichy America
Posts: 13,533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
Also, it's pretty obvious that the Empire is xenophobic in the original trilogy. No aliens (except for the bounty hunters in ESB) are ever seen on a Star Destroyer or Death Star or anywhere else belonging to the Empire. Even with those bounty hunters, one of the Empire officers shows disgusts at them.
Maybe different parts of the galaxy are dominated by different species within the Empire, and the story just happens to focus on the Rebels and Imperial forces in the human area.
10-20-14, 04:58 PM
#4673
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
^ Kind of a hard headed approach to take, but whatever floats your boat. The movies aren't going to answer everything , so we look to other sources.
10-20-14, 05:01 PM
#4674
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
10-21-14, 09:40 PM
#4675
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher, Serkis, von Syd
A couple of guys climbed a tree in Black Park next to Pinewood Studios and caught a glimpse of some filming taking place outside. Here's a photo one of them took:
Also, J.J. and some of the cast went out to dinner for Carrie Fisher's birthday last night. Curiously, Adrien Brody was also in attendance and sporting an Obi-Wan style beard:
According to IMDb, he's currently doing an action epic called "Emperor" -- but I'm not sure if filming for that is taking place in the UK. I remember reading that Abrams was considering Brody for the role of Spock in Star Trek '09 before Quinto was cast, so there is a connection there.
Spoiler:
According to IMDb, he's currently doing an action epic called "Emperor" -- but I'm not sure if filming for that is taking place in the UK. I remember reading that Abrams was considering Brody for the role of Spock in Star Trek '09 before Quinto was cast, so there is a connection there.
Last edited by joe_b; 10-22-14 at 08:11 AM.
