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If the plot rumors are true, then Luke didn't listen to Yoda.

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Or did he?...

Josh-da-man

When you watch the saga with a critical eye, it's apparent that Yoda is neither terribly sharp nor perceptive.

It's a weird thing, too, because the characters and the story itself tell us how great and wise Yoda is, but he's constantly missing things that are right under his nose, doles out advice that is, at best, from a box of fortune cookies, and, at worst, dead wrong, and every thing he tells Luke not to do that Luke ends up doing anyway ends up bringing down the Empire.

I don't know if it's sort of brilliant storytelling or bad writing.

taffer

Yoda and other Jedi masters worked with Palpatine for over a decade and none of them ever sensed the Dark Side within him.

Yoda tells Luke in ESB that the Dark Side is not more powerful, but clearly the Dark Side is more powerful. Palpatine was able to successfully cloak himself from even Yoda. Palpatine was only revealed as Darth Sidious when he wanted himself to be revealed (when he told Anakin). Not to mention that Palpatine later kicks Yoda's ass, and Yoda runs away with his tail between his legs.

Shazam

Yoda represented the ossified Jedi order. Truth be told they sucked.

stvn1974

Between Yoda being a moron and everything Kenobi told him being a lie Luke should have just said "fuck it, I will give the darkside a shot".

taffer

I thought Luke pretty much did give in to the Dark Side in ROTJ when he went all HULK SMASH rage swinging on Vader in the end.

Plus, another benefit of going to the Dark Side is that if you repent just before you die, then your Force Ghost becomes that of your younger self before you turned to the Dark Side. If you are good your whole life and die when you're old, then your ghost is still your old self too. Thanks 2004 Special Editions for that valuable lesson! Go Dark Side, kids!

Josh-da-man

If the dark side of the force is so seductive, then why are there only two Sith Lords at any given time? If it's even a fraction as dangerous and easy to fall to temptation as Yoda claims, then you should have dozens of Sith cults and Sith Lords running around all over the place.

Yet in the prequels, everyone outright dismisses the idea that Dooku could have fallen to the dark side.

Oliver Clothesoff

It was a dumb random rule that Lucas created for the prequels. Can easily be retconned somehow in the new movies. It's like he loved writing himself into stupid corners all the time.

stvn1974

I am still convinced that the prequels were just a huge fuck you to the fans who hated the changes made in 1997. Kind of how the "NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" added into Jedi was Lucas' last middle finger before selling to Disney. He knew how much people thought it was stupid in Sith.

The Infidel

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I thought it was funny.

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taffer

There's a difference between a dark Jedi and a Sith. Not every dark Jedi is actually a Sith. The Sith are a cult, but any Force user who uses the Dark Side would be a dark Jedi.

In the 2003 Clone Wars animated series, when Asajj Ventress first meets Dooku, she tells him that she is a Sith. Dooku laughs in her face and says she is not. Ventress is a dark Jedi, but she is not a Sith.

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Darth Bane created the Rule of Two. (And for you EU haters out there, Darth Bane is canon. He is mentioned in the 2008 CGI Clone Wars animated series which is canon.) One thousand years before the prequel trilogy, there were many Sith. However, there was in-fighting, and they ended up nearly killing themselves off. The Jedi took advantage of the situation and killed off the few weakened survivors. Darth Bane was the sole survivor who managed to escape, and he then decided to create the Rule of Two to prevent that near extinction from happening again (and also being only two makes it much easier to hide from the Jedi). There would be one master and one apprentice. The apprentice would grow in power until he could kill his master. Then the apprentice becomes the master and takes on a new apprentice. If the apprentice failed to kill his master, then the apprentice died and a new apprentice is found. That way they kept getting more and more powerful since each successive generation would be more skilled.

All of that is from the EU, but it is canon. Like I said before, Darth Bane is mentioned in the CGI Clone Wars series, and also The Phantom Menace makes several references to it. "The Sith have been extinct for a millennium." "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge." "Which was killed, the master or the apprentice?"


Actually, Lucas didn't create the Rule of Two. It existed in the EU beforehand. The Knights of the Old Republic comic books from the early 90s is when the Rule of Two was established. (Another little known fact is that the double-bladed lightsaber also first appeared in these KOTOR comics. So Lucas didn't create that either.)

Shannon Nutt

One thing I hope JJ does that the prequels didn't: keep it simple.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I STILL can't follow all the political stuff and different factions in the prequels, and those movies are supposed to be for KIDS. What made the OT so good is that the stories were relatively light and fun. Even EMPIRE isn't all that dark.

Shazam

I'm hoping the first act will have discussions around capital cost allowance rules for specific depreciatable assets.

Mike86

I think Luke may have had a momentary lapse where he was on the brink of being seducted by the dark side of the force when Vader threatened to use Leia if he didn't give in and make the turn himself. I think that after he chopped off Vader's hand though he realized he went too far and clearly didn't like what he had done. I don't really buy the whole thing about if you go to the dark side even briefly that it has already won and the turn has been made.

Paul_SD

Do people not realize what a colossal cop-out this sequence is by Lucas?
Luke gets to maintain/reclaim his purity and goodness...but he is only saved because yet another bad guy comes in and does the actual dirty work.
How convenient is that? Just as long as the unwashed and unclean do your morally dubious stuff, you can skate through life pontificating on the benefits of a virtuous existence.
Just like Vader, Luke's "sacrifice" isn't a sacrifice at all. He loses nothing.
He doesn't give his life for his belief (the way Kenbi did in ANH).

and to tie back in with earlier discussion- this is yet another data point along with what goes down in RotS that should tell people these Jedi are NOT worthy of being seen as the heroes. The little they accomplish that is actually heroic is outweighed by just how clueless/impotent/ ineffectual they are on top of their insufferable smugness when it comes to being pure and good "we can't kill in anger (unless it's third string supporting characters) and we are forbidden to love."
Ugh.

I would love to see Abrahms do a full on Days Of Future Past with VII and invalidate just about everything from eps 1,2,3, and 6.
That would be an awesome re-set.

JTH182

Well if the rumors about TFA are true, then Luke's self-imposed isolation is because he fears what he might become because of the path he started down. He's forced (no pun intended) to come out of hiding only because he has to. He realizes he isn't 100% pure.

Deadman31

Star Wars: Episode VII- The Fappening

TGM

I have a very important and serious question to ask...

would you fuck Carrie Fisher TODAY, just because she was the uber hot Princess Leia back in the day?

spsimmons

Yes

BuddyRevell

Yep. But Return Of The Jedi would need to be playing in the background.

Mike86

I dunno I guess my take on it is that despite being a Jedi Luke is still human and can be vulnerable to temptation like anyone else. Especially when someone he cares for is threatened. Plus he was still relatively new to being a Jedi Knight and his training probably wasn't really complete (he really barely had any according to what we see on screen) despite him being told by Yoda that it was and taking down Vader would complete it.

We also don't necessarily see that Luke's sacrifice doesn't cost him anything. Maybe not at that exact moment but we don't really get much follow up with him after the duel and if he's been in exile since at the start of Episode VII that could tie in somewhat. Granted years later but still if he's exiled himself that doesn't seem to be that he's lost nothing.

Ranger

The Force(.net) Awakens?

I wonder if the title refers to the rumored living planet. Force homeworld or whatever. In the Legacy of the Force / Fate of the Jedi books, I liked how they made it like Jacen (Solo son) had awakened something evil in the Force. Though it was a Force entity/god, not a planet.

chanster

Ranking the Titles:

1.) The Empire Strikes Back
2.) A New Hope
3.) The Phantom Menace
4.) Return of the Jedi
5.) The Force Awakens
6.) Revenge of the Sith
7.) Attack of the Clones

Personally, I like the Force Awakens. Looking objectively at the titles of the last 4 movies - 3 of them had " _______ of the _______" in them. Passive and boring, just like most of the PT.

aintnosin

The Force Awakens

According to Stephen Colbert, it fell asleep watching The Phantom Menace.