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Old 12-01-14, 07:54 PM
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Shame the PS2 remakes of VII, VIII, and IX never came to fruition.
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Reminds me of a Japanese role playing guy where the protagonist always has a sword that's three times bigger than his body.

Yeah, me too. It's not very Star Wars-y, but I think it's cooler than the hilt thing.
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Originally Posted by taffer
It's evidently a difficult concept for you to grasp. What part of a minimum height requirement do you not understand?

Absolutely nothing about Leia's "too short" comment would imply that the troopers are clones. It just means there is a minimum height to be a trooper.

Suppose for example that the minimum height is 5'7". A 5'7" person could be a trooper. A 6'2" person could be a trooper. A 7' person could be a trooper. However, a 5'5" person is too short. He doesn't meet the minimum height requirement.

NOTHING about Leia's comment implies that the troopers are all the same height (like clones would be). It just implies that there is a minimum height requirement. Luke doesn't meet the minimum height requirement apparently.
It's hilarious to me that you're so adamant about a minimum height requirement for Storm Troopers.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
It's hilarious to me that you're so adamant about a minimum height requirement for Storm Troopers.
Well the other poster keeps claiming Leia's comment could imply they are clones, but nothing about the comment implies that. It just implies some people are too short to be a stormtrooper. There's a whole variable range of heights possible for being a trooper like I mentioned.

Doesn't the army have minimum height requirements? I'm not really sure, but I thought they did. It's a bad example because it is fiction, but Steve Rogers couldn't enlist because he was too short and scrawny. The army has weight requirements (a 300 lb fat ass surely isn't going to last long in the army) so height requirements would be understandable too.
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now THAT is badass.
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Is there any reason to believe that if the majority of the stormtroopers are clones that they are the Django clones? They could have different models.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by taffer
Well the other poster keeps claiming Leia's comment could imply they are clones, but nothing about the comment implies that. It just implies some people are too short to be a stormtrooper. There's a whole variable range of heights possible for being a trooper like I mentioned.
The clone implication makes sense to me, not that I believe it either
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Is there any reason to believe that if the majority of the stormtroopers are clones that they are the Django clones? They could have different models.
The black stormtroopers are clones of Django. The white stormtroopers are clones of Jango.


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The clone implication makes sense to me, not that I believe it either
How does it make sense? Leia just says a person can be too short to be a stormtrooper. Yet that still implies there is a variable range of possible heights for a person to qualify as a stormtrooper. Clones would all be the same height. Leia doesn't say that all of them have to be the same height, just that some are too short.
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Originally Posted by taffer
How does it make sense? Leia just says a person can be too short to be a stormtrooper. Yet that still implies there is a variable range of possible heights for a person to qualify as a stormtrooper. Clones would all be the same height. Leia doesn't say that all of them have to be the same height, just that some are too short.
Her comment doesn't necessarily imply a variable range at all, it only states that Luke is shorter then a typical Trooper. Any implication past that is your own.

But seriously, this is stupid.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Her comment doesn't necessarily imply a variable range at all, it only states that Luke is shorter then a typical Trooper. Any implication past that is your own.

But seriously, this is stupid.
True, but it doesn't imply that they are all equal height either. So it doesn't imply that they are clones.

Anyway, moving on...

If Palpatine had this cloning technology, then why didn't he clone Anakin? Let the crispy fried Anakin die, and then "revive" him as a clone back in his prime.

Why didn't Palpatine just clone himself a bunch of times? Why use Jango to create an army? Create an army of Darth Sidiouseseses.

I believe that Palpatine actually was "Sifodyas" who commissioned the clone army. Sifodyas sounds too similar to Sidious to be coincidence, and it's not like this Geonosis cloner dudes could tell a Sith from a Jedi unless they saw his red lightsaber or something.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by taffer
True, but it doesn't imply that they are all equal height either. So it doesn't imply that they are clones.

Anyway, moving on...

If Palpatine had this cloning technology, then why didn't he clone Anakin? Let the crispy fried Anakin die, and then "revive" him as a clone back in his prime.

Why didn't Palpatine just clone himself a bunch of times? Why use Jango to create an army? Create an army of Darth Sidiouseseses.

I believe that Palpatine actually was "Sifodyas" who commissioned the clone army. Sifodyas sounds too similar to Sidious to be coincidence, and it's not like this Geonosis cloner dudes could tell a Sith from a Jedi unless they saw his red lightsaber or something.

You really think Palpatine wanted to deal with a 10 year old "Annie" all over again? I mean, he's a powerful Sith Lord, but he's not THAT powerful!
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Originally Posted by joe_b
A hilt/guard under the smaller blades:


I suppose it would be a good test for a potential Sith: "If you can't twirl this weapon without slicing your hand off at the wrist, you're not fit to wield the power of the DARKSIDE!" [/img]
I can't believe I'm having this discussion...but if I'm holding that lightsaber, and my hand slides up the handle...doesn't it bump into the crosspiece that is NOT a lightsaber? The lightsaber parts are sticking out of the sides...just like the saber itself comes out of the hilt. If it was a beam coming straight out of the main beam to form the "hilt", then I'd agree. But I still don't see how someone's hand could slide up that thing. Especially not any more than it already could on a normal lightsaber.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by taffer
It's evidently a difficult concept for you to grasp. What part of a minimum height requirement do you not understand?

Absolutely nothing about Leia's "too short" comment would imply that the troopers are clones. It just means there is a minimum height to be a trooper.

Suppose for example that the minimum height is 5'7". A 5'7" person could be a trooper. A 6'2" person could be a trooper. A 7' person could be a trooper. However, a 5'5" person is too short. He doesn't meet the minimum height requirement.

NOTHING about Leia's comment implies that the troopers are all the same height (like clones would be). It just implies that there is a minimum height requirement. Luke doesn't meet the minimum height requirement apparently.
This is a serious question, and I mean this with all due respect, but are you on the spectrum? Everything is always black and white with you. There's never any room for conversation. Part of the fun of these movies is using out imaginations to fill in the gaps in the stories and then talking about them. The beautiful thing is that there's plenty of room for multiple ideas and interpretations.

Given what we know about the clone troopers from the prequels, there exists the possibility (key word: possibility) that all of the stormtroopers are clones. There's nothing in the original trilogy that states definitively that this isn't the case. Sure there's vague talk of an academy, but anything we know about it or what it's for is just speculation. Kind of like your theory on a minimum height requirement. It's speculation. All we know is that Leia recognized Luke as being shorter than the typical stormtrooper. Maybe it's because he's a scrawny little punk with no chance of passing basic training. Or maybe it's because all of the stormtroopers are clones and it's obvious he's not the same size and shape as the others. I don't know because the movies don't specify. Do you see how that works? And just for clarity's sake, I will say it one more time: I AGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION. All I'm saying is that there's room for debate.
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This is a serious question, and I mean this with all due respect, but are you on the spectrum?
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I can't believe I'm having this discussion...but if I'm holding that lightsaber, and my hand slides up the handle...doesn't it bump into the crosspiece that is NOT a lightsaber? The lightsaber parts are sticking out of the sides...just like the saber itself comes out of the hilt. If it was a beam coming straight out of the main beam to form the "hilt", then I'd agree. But I still don't see how someone's hand could slide up that thing. Especially not any more than it already could on a normal lightsaber.
The danger of such a thing is that even even your hand slides up to the cross section... that puts up directly next to the beam. That's a massive danger in using it if. If you had a stop, like that illustration has, than that's better. It protects your hand from nearing the beam anymore than it needs to. The two beams coming out just restricts a user in using the saber. you'd be restricting a lot of area of control for those two beams popping out.

But this is SW. It has never had a grand definition of its tech in the films. So it's a fantasy idea of concept.
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The real question is if a short or tall Stormtrooper would be in more danger of cutting their fingers off if they picked up that lightsaber.
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But this is SW. It has never had a grand definition of its tech in the films. So it's a fantasy idea of concept.
I think it's funny that Nolan got shit on for that microwave thing that vaporized Gotham's water supply but this gets a pass, because it's SW. That's my whole gripe. Certain SW fanboys will give shit a pass especially if it's SW, because SW.
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Hey, the Tie Fighter pilots were a lot more competent than stormtroopers. Making them ground troops might be an improvement.
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To be fair, that one was a female Asian pilot ... And before you cry racism (which you would be right), I ask you to to stop and remember:



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Fixed.

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The danger of such a thing is that even even your hand slides up to the cross section... that puts up directly next to the beam. That's a massive danger in using it if. If you had a stop, like that illustration has, than that's better. It protects your hand from nearing the beam anymore than it needs to. The two beams coming out just restricts a user in using the saber. you'd be restricting a lot of area of control for those two beams popping out.

But this is SW. It has never had a grand definition of its tech in the films. So it's a fantasy idea of concept.
Again...can't believe I'm discussing this...but on most lightsabers nothing is stopping your hand from sliding up to the blade, right? I don't see how this is different enough to be causing this much consternation on the Internet.
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Can we get a soccer player running behind him/her?
I just assume they're out of frame, faking an injury.
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Originally Posted by Draven
Again...can't believe I'm discussing this...but on most lightsabers nothing is stopping your hand from sliding up to the blade, right? I don't see how this is different enough to be causing this much consternation on the Internet.
This. It's not like Luke, Vader, Obi-Wan, or any others had crossguards on their sabers to catch their hands from sliding.

Also, consider these are JEDI not regular people. If they are focused on the Force, their hands probably aren't sliding anywhere. A regular joe like myself, yeah I would be cutting my hands off. That isn't true for a Jedi though who is in tune with the Force. My hands would be unsteady. A Jedi's hands would be steady as a surgeon. I never could be a surgeon because I never could play that Operation board game without touching the sides.



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